County clerks want meeting with Cuomo over handgun laws

[ManrisFrack]

It doesn't usually work like that. You don't even have to tell them about firearms.

If you get labeled as an involuntary hospital admission or one of a laundry list of "professionals" decides you're a risk to yourself or others - you and your health info get transmitted to the county and then the state. It's pretty much automatic and it will result in them coming for your guns.

The problem is that the hospitals have been training personnel to label patients as involuntary or a danger for questionable conditions and/or admissions. Remember, it's not the highest level people (Drs, etc.) that end up doing the paperwork. It's supposedly to cover their asses in the event that a patient actually goes on a murderous rampage. This doesn't even take into account the loonies like Greywolf's therapist that might initiate a 9.46 report just out of spite or ignorant fear.

That therapist, based only on her judgement, can now submit a report on Greywolf that will trigger suspension of his permit and confiscation of his guns. Technically, it may not be legal because she isn't providing services directly to him but THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE FOR FALSE REPORTS. The "professionals" are specifically exempted from civil and criminal liability resulting from these reports or lack thereof (which is why I don't believe the CYA justification above). Also, once the report is made, there is NO attempt to verify the legitimacy of the report until you fight, in court, to get your guns/permit back.

 

[hoodfu]

Don't buy the "its the brass that sold their souls, the rank and file support us" bullshit either. Cuomo's Secret Police are giddy with anticipation to come to your home and confiscate your legally owned property.

4 months ago I sent the paperwork to the Monroe County Clerk to convert my paper permit to the credit card design. According to them, they haven't had the opportunity to pull my file and check my records in over 120 days. If they can't accomplish a simple permit conversion, how are they going to reconcile their records with the renewal form you send to the NYSP ?

What happens to people who sold guns and never took them off their permits ? What about uncorrected address changes ? Serial number typos, Cross-registration info ? The list goes on and on and on...

I think all of this make the obvious case that the state police should handle all licenses, for every county outside of NYC. Everyone gets the same license and goes through the same process no matter where you live. It would probably be far easier to solidify funding as well.

 

[Chuck D]

I think all of this make the obvious case that the state police should handle all licenses, for every county outside of NYC. Everyone gets the same license and goes through the same process no matter where you live. It would probably be far easier to solidify funding as well.

No it doesn't. In fact, quite the opposite.

Let the County Clerks do what they've proven to b able to do well. The permit "hold-ups" in reference to time to process and type of permit (CCW vs Possession) are a by-product of the Judicial system where each Justice takes their sweet time approving permits and placing restrictions on them based upon their personal political beliefs.

 

[ManrisFrack]

I think all of this make the obvious case that the state police should handle all licenses, for every county outside of NYC. Everyone gets the same license and goes through the same process no matter where you live. It would probably be far easier to solidify funding as well.

And the obvious follow-on: Your investigator will be some twatnugget from the city that's been thoroughly indoctrinated and your licensing official will be a judge in Albany who's wife chairs the local chapter of Moms Demand Action.

ETA: I think he's predicting the next likely argument/line of attack from the grabbers.

 

[nortatoga]

I think all of this make the obvious case that the state police should handle all licenses, for every county outside of NYC. Everyone gets the same license and goes through the same process no matter where you live. It would probably be far easier to solidify funding as well.

And everyone will get restricted licenses!

 

[hoodfu]

And everyone will get restricted licenses!

I'd think it would actually go the other way. Only local counties do that garbage like Nassau and Suffolk. I think we'd have a better chance of finally getting rid of that if it was a uniform standard for everyone. As for the judges, having the state police handle it all would eliminate the whole "judge with a wife on the moms demand action committee" shenanigans. In downstate we don't have any of that judge stuff. Nassau used to be terrible with 1.5 year wait times for licenses. They've slowly but surely dismantled all of the stuff that caused delays and they're actually pretty quick now. Renewing online only, never have to bring in your guns for inspection no matter where in the state you buy it from, no paper records, everything computerized. That should be applied to everyone equally.

 

[nortatoga]

I'd think it would actually go the other way. Only local counties do that garbage like Nassau and Suffolk. I think we'd have a better chance of finally getting rid of that if it was a uniform standard for everyone. As for the judges, having the state police handle it all would eliminate the whole "judge with a wife on the moms demand action committee" shenanigans. In downstate we don't have any of that judge stuff. Nassau used to be terrible with 1.5 year wait times for licenses. They've slowly but surely dismantled all of the stuff that caused delays and they're actually pretty quick now. Renewing online only, never have to bring in your guns for inspection no matter where in the state you buy it from, no paper records, everything computerized. That should be applied to everyone equally.

Just about half of upstate Counties put restrictions on licenses!

 

[hoodfu]

Just about half of upstate Counties put restrictions on licenses!

That's my point. Wouldn't the state police follow state law? Nowhere in state law does it mention restricted carry licenses. There's been a court case where the judge said "I'll allow it" but there's nothing in state law that says the state police could do that.

 

[Bigfoot]

Many years ago I had a similar experience but in a different arena. Went thru a divorce and my daughter was having a very difficult time with it since she was 13 years old and new exactly was going on. In any case I pushed her mother enough to send my daughter to a therapist just to talk things out. Unfortunately I couldn’t because I lived in a different state. Long story short my idiot ex-wife finds a child therapist who had absolutely no desire to meet with me and only with the mother. The only thing asked of me was to fill out a 79 page questionnaire. Two pages of the questionnaire concerned questions concerning when why where how and because In regards to firearms.

In reading through the questionnaire I tore it up into tiny pieces through it in an envelope And took a ride across state lines while my daughter was at the therapists office. I walked in on her And point-blank in front of my daughter asked the therapist about the questions in regards to the questionnaire and my owning firearms. She said that owning a firearm is only done by those that have bad intentions and there is no need for anyone to own any firearms. I turned around and looked at my daughter and asked her what type of questions was she being asked in regards to me and my firearms. My daughter broke down started crying and stated that the therapist was telling her that your father is not a good person and a danger to himself and everyone in his household and there is no way you could ever go live with your dad. I threw the envelope with the questionnaire at her told her to Shove it up her ass and go fuck Herself and if she ever went near or called my daughter again I would file harassment charges against her And do everything I could to make her lose her license.

It’s no one‘s business to know your business.

Holy crap @Graywolf,,, I just read your post... And I'm sitting here stunned.
Seriously, I'm stunned and in a WTF mode... That's horrible but you did the right thing, good job.

 

[ManrisFrack]

That's my point. Wouldn't the state police follow state law? Nowhere in state law does it mention restricted carry licenses. There's been a court case where the judge said "I'll allow it" but there's nothing in state law that says the state police could do that.

There's also nothing that says they can't. In fact, it is an established and common practice. All it takes is one grandstanding legislator with a D by her name and restrictions are now SOP. I'm shocked that you think NYSP won't make permits work EXACTLY how they are told by the current administration. If Cuomo decides that premise is the only thing that will be granted, that's what will happen and it will be legal. Immense discretion is given to the licensing official. All of us in reasonable counties elect our judges, at least in part, on how closely we think they'll make the permitting process 'shall issue'. If Albany takes control, the only thing that happens is that we're all equally fucked. At least, that's my prediction.

All this is kind of a moot point. They would have to change the law to take investigation and issuance away from the county officials. If they end up doing that, there's no telling what else they'll change about the process while they're at it.

 

[nortatoga]

I could add a few things but @ManrisFrack pretty much covered it!

 

[Jmac00]

seriously, what does this really, in your heart, boil down too. CONTROL and Cuomoroid wants it.

and I don't want to give it to him. But reality is, we really don't have a choice, save one: Leave

Im working on evacuating New Yorkistan as soon as I hit my financial goals, which with the taxes around here is going to be a challenge.

Realistically, there is no option. If Cuomoroid becomes governor AGAIN (and there is little doubt he won't) he won't quit, he won't stop, his only goal is total control.

it's time. Time to leave.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I am wondering how this will pan out here in Erie County. Right now the EC Pistol Permit Office has 6 clerks. Doing an analysis of permit numbers, they seem to handling about 1.5 permits per clerk per day. And the end result is that it takes them on average 12 - 18 months to grant permits.

What will this added workload do to them? Will new permit applicants be waiting SEVERAL YEARS for permits now?

 

[45mando]

Also, aren't the NYSP under direct control of da guvnah? So putting the whole licensing "scheme" in their hands does not seem like a prudent course of action.

 

[Deplorable Me]

As of Sunday (Buffalo News) Erie County will only accept new permit applications by appointment. New County Clerk indicated he was freeing up time for clerks to amend existing permit information in preparation for the recertification deadline. I believe this may be through end of January only.

 

[speedkills27]

That's my point. Wouldn't the state police follow state law? Nowhere in state law does it mention restricted carry licenses. There's been a court case where the judge said "I'll allow it" but there's nothing in state law that says the state police could do that.

In a perfect world you're correct, BUT this is NY and the Troopers are now a political arm of the governors office. The higher ups/brass will be given politically motivated orders and the rank and file will be told what to, like it or not.

REMEMBER KIDS! when it comes to government the smaller the better. keep it local

 

[Acer-m14]

As of Sunday (Buffalo News) Erie County will only accept new permit applications by appointment. New County Clerk indicated he was freeing up time for clerks to amend existing permit information in preparation for the recertification deadline. I believe this may be through end of January only.

did they change the law ... i see no must make a appointment in it .. FUAC ...

 

[Deplorable Me]

did they change the law ... i see no must make a appointment in it .. FUAC ...

County Clerk tyranny. Beware the bureaucrats.

 

[David D]

I am willing to bet that the recert law will be suspended just like the provision of having ammo mailed to your house has been suspended due the lack of any sort of tracking system that the SP was to have in place. The funny thing is that even the AC doesn't have to power to suspend laws that are on the books, but he does it anyway.

 

[Defilade]

This whole thing pisses me off to no end. How in the world is any of this crap legal? The State acts as if it owns these guns and loans them to the people and can just take them away if you don't due what they feel needs to be done! These are MY guns bought and paid for! Owning firearms is a RIGHT!! you P.O.S's!! I shouldn't have to have a "Permit" at all! And then we can't even get our day in court to shove this illegal crap down Cuomo's throat! Where the hell are the Fed's in all this? A Federal Judge? It's looks as if the "Communist Progressives" still have all the power and they are everywhere. Amazing how Trump imposes his immigration polices in place and instantly a FEDERAL Judge steps in and rules it unconstitutional. Where is our Federal judge on our side that would strike down the Safe-Act in the same matter? WTF!

end rant...

 

[hoodfu]

This whole thing pisses me off to no end. How in the world is any of this crap legal? The State acts as if it owns these guns and loans them to the people and can just take them away if you don't due what they feel needs to be done! These are MY guns bought and paid for! Owning firearms is a RIGHT!! you P.O.S's!! I shouldn't have to have a "Permit" at all! And then we can't even get our day in court to shove this illegal crap down Cuomo's throat! Where the hell are the Fed's in all this? A Federal Judge? It's looks as if the "Communist Progressives" still have all the power and they are everywhere. WTF!

end rant...

SCOTUS has officially abandoned us and they've sent a very clear message to lower court judges that they can do anything they want. It's only going to get worse from here.

 

[MothMan]

Any news as to when the meeting is taking place?

 

[spat]

I think all of this make the obvious case that the state police should handle all licenses, for every county outside of NYC. Everyone gets the same license and goes through the same process no matter where you live. It would probably be far easier to solidify funding as well.

Only if that means it becomes a shall issue process.

Somehow I doubt that will be the case however.