Critics Think 132 Hours Of Firearm Training For Teachers Is Too Little

[livingston]

Critics Think 132 Hours Of Firearm Training For Teachers Is Too Little
A proposal is under discussion in Florida that would allow teachers to carry a firearm into the classroom. This is a good thing.

The bad thing about it is that it seems the current thinking is to require teachers to spend 132 hours in training, or 16.5 days, in order to carry a firearm inside the school. Unfortunately, there’s some concern that’s not enough training.

A proposal to arm teachers, administrators and school staff in Florida causes widespread concern about the minimal firearms training they would get — 132 hours — less than that of basic police recruits.

Critics said the proposal, part of a measure designed to help protect schools from shooters that awaits Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s signature, could put students and staff at risk.

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Curt Lavarello, executive director of the School Safety Advocacy Council and a former SRO in Broward County, Fla., where the Parkland shooting took place, said 132 hours is not nearly enough to entrust educators with guns.

“It’s absolutely ridiculous to think that in 132 hours of training, you’re going to be prepared to take on a well-armed gunman who comes onto a campus to kill children,” he said.

Richard Myers, executive director of the Major Cities Chiefs Association, which represents 75 big-city police forces in the USA and Canada, said he has discussed arming teachers with many of the group’s members. “I’ve yet to hear a police chief think that’s a good idea,” he said.

Myers said cops aren’t trained just to use firearms but to know when not to use them. “It’s not just about shooting holes in targets,” he said. “It’s about de-escalation. It’s about ‘Shoot, don’t shoot.’ “
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Critics Think 132 Hours Of Firearm Training For Teachers Is Too Little

 

[dubleuhb]

I thought one of the reasons to allow teachers to carry was to be a deterrent. I would say the training should not end with the initial requirements but should be ongoing.

The longer they fight over this the more of a chance it will happen again.
Maybe that's the delay tactic reason.

Knowing these dipshits they'll demand a red light on the classroom door and armbands for the teachers packing. The only thing I can think that why teachers wouldn't want, other than not liking guns is if some wacko makes it in again and knows teachers are armed he may single them out first.

 

[spat]

A proposal to arm teachers, administrators and school staff in Florida causes widespread concern about the minimal firearms training they would get — 132 hours — less than that of basic police recruits.

Isn't 132 hours of actual firearms training *more* than most cops get ? How many weeks of the academy do officers actually spend on shooting ?

Also, the "shoot / don't shoot" thing gets a whole lot simpler when it is only meant for an active shooter situation.

 

[Shadow2]

"It’s about de-escalation. It’s about ‘Shoot, don’t shoot.’ “

What fucking part of "active shooter" don't they get, Here we go only police are well enough trained to determine if the nut job opening fire in a school should be dealt with deadly force or not. Somebody needs too bitch slap this Myers dumbass. The use of deadly force is pretty simple in an active shooter situation. I would argue in a school, brandishing a gun at all just put you on the get shot list. Based on how often cops get off on justified shootings I'm confident a motivated teacher can handle the job.

Your not going to find many law enforcement fond of the idea of the people acting on the authority that we have always had but delegated to them.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Firearms training and practice need to be an ongoing process.

 

[BDinPutnam]

How much training did the Broward deputies who didn't FUCKING GO IN while this scumbag was killing people get?

 

[libertysnake]

"It’s about de-escalation. It’s about ‘Shoot, don’t shoot.’ “

What fucking part of "active shooter" don't they get, Here we go only police are well enough trained to determine if the nut job opening fire in a school should be dealt with deadly force or not. Somebody needs too bitch slap this Myers ass munch. The use of deadly force is pretty simple so lets stop pretending is requires a professional.

Should I shoot or not flowchart:

• Is there an innocent person in front / behind my target?
  • No
    • Shoot
  • Yes
    • Re-position, then shoot.
  • But, what about the active shooter's feelings?
    • gtfo of here liberal.

 

[Depick]

I’d say that 132 hrs of training is a good starting point combining it with on going training would be ideal. An armed faculty would be an incredible deterrent and the perfect way to cover LE response time.

 

[Saltwater60]

I’d say 132 hours is more than cops get.

 

[livingston]

In most cases by time a teacher will be picking up a handgun in school the carnage has already started . It would be up to the police to disarm a person before the killing starts.(if possible ) Once a shooter crosses that line and killing starts all bets are off.

 

[Jmac00]

It’s absolutely ridiculous to think that in 132 hours of training, you’re going to be prepared to take on a well-armed gunman who comes onto a campus to kill children,” he said.

so exactly how much training does the crazed gunman get?

 

[ProgSpear]

Just suppose quality training facilities like Sig Academy were doing the training. Something tells me 132 hours would be awesome.

 

[Jmac00]

In most cases by time a teacher will be picking up a handgun in school the carnage has already started . It would be up to the police to disarm a person before the killing starts.(if possible ) Once a shooter crosses that line and killing starts all bets are off.

In EVERY CASE the shooting will already have started, the armed teacher will be a stop-gap measure only. The teacher's job will mostly be to distract and hopefully slow the attack (possibly stop it) until the good guys, the ones with balls, not the coward county sheriff, show up.

 

[GOPerfect]

When I went through Basic Training for the Army, I think BRM was about 60 hours.

When I went through Military Police Training, I spent five days on the Range. Some days were longer than others, maybe 60 hours in total.

When I went through Police Academy, we had range week for five days as well, about 50 hours, I believe NY State requires 40 hours for LE,

 

[Jmac00]

anyone else get the feeling some people DO NOT want the teachers to succeed

 

[Karpteach]

anyone else get the feeling some people DO NOT want the teachers to succeed

Ya think! Who the hell is going to do 132 hours of training after working with unappreciative students.

 

[Celt]

I think 132 hours of training initially is a bit excessive. Personally I think 40 would be sufficient to initially carry concealed in school, but there should be a minimum of 8 or 16 hour refresher courses annually or even semi-annually.

I've taken about 45+ hours of formal training (not to mention all the training I received from my father and uncles who were former military) and gained a tremendous amount of information from that. Hell even from one or two days your skill-set jumps Leaps and Bounds with proper formal training.

 

[NirvanaFan]

Curt Lavarello, executive director of the School Safety Advocacy Council and a former SRO

Richard Myers, executive director of the Major Cities Chiefs Association, which represents 75 big-city police forces in the USA and Canada

LOL. I'm sure these two nitwits aren't biased at all. Of course the police and school resource officer will want more of their people employed. It's like asking a union boss if they want more members.

Why not ask the teachers what they want?

 

[Jezman]

So critics are offering this info and the press is passing this off as pertaint information? Stupid is as stupid does more fake news!

 

[Phazer]

Isn't 132 hours of actual firearms training *more* than most cops get ?

That's what I was thinking. Most police that I've met, especially firearms enthusiasts, feel that police training with pistols is utterly insufficient (at least in the local jurisdictions).

 

[Phazer]

Just suppose quality training facilities like Sig Academy were doing the training. Something tells me 132 hours would be awesome.

I'd like to take 5 days of back-to-back courses at Sig Academy. Some day......

 

[Celt]

I'd like to take 5 days of back-to-back courses at Sig Academy. Some day......

That sounds like an ideal vacation to me. Although the wife and kids would rather go to Disney.

 

[Target]

I was deployed in Desert Shield/ Desert Storm with much less training.
We got a half day classroom then went to the range and shot 50 (?) rounds in Basic Training.
Some of the guys I was with had not seen a M16 in ten years.
I was an avionics tech in the Air Force. We were not issued firearms for our deploymwnt.

 

[jimc]

Let's compare 132 hours to what NYS Police go through. From their website:

State Police Firearms Training is a continuing process that begins with a 90-hour course in the Basic School and continues throughout one's career with semi-annual, in-service Field Firearms Training sessions of five hours each.

Firearms Training

 

[Phazer]

Gotta tell you....I've had a bit more than 40 hours of pistol coursework (basic pistol, defensive pistol, concealed carry). With that level of training, I would feel very comfortable carrying a concealed pistol as a last line of defense against aggressors intent on doing harm to my family, myself, or those for whom I'm responsible. That said, I know my limitations. I am not a law enforcement officer. I will not be "clearing" corridors and seeking out hostiles. If I were a teacher in a secured room during an active shooter situation, I'd certainly be in a defensive position aiming at the door so that if it were kicked in and a weapon-wielding criminal came through I'd be able to get off at least a few carefully aimed shots (center mass, or head if I could quickly determine the presence of armor).

BTW - I do not consider myself any kind of marksman. So, I'd never select for a head shot if I were forced to shoot while moving, one handed, or under fire. I do believe that from a static position (possibly braced on a table or desk) in the situation mentioned above, a head shot could certainly be considered.

 

[holdover]

I had two weeks , but that was Federal.

I think 132 hours is plenty to start off with , I also think it is excessive as a starting point.

I think 4-8 hours of range time a month minimum . and maybe one day of month or quarter of tactical training in their school by Professionals or SWAT officers, what to do In various situations , situations with more than one shooter , what they are expected to do , how to do it .The tactical differences between rifles and handguns and shotguns Developing the mindset for a shooting , run various drills on a Saturday,

It may be as simple as locking the door or covering a hallway . Securing an entrance area for police.It doesn't have to be to actively hunting down and killing the bad guy. Although you can train teachers on how work in teams to secure an area what the job is of each person , how to use the school to get on the other side of the shooter. whats cover what not . what are the best and worst places in the school to make a stand , what are the natural kill zones in the school, using a mirror to look down a hallway .How not to pop your head out of the door in the same place twice. Lot of simple shit that can save lives,

In any case, basically limiting the damage a shooter can do. Maybe by securing only one hallway or one room If you can do that , it was a success. If you can be a deterrent, it was success .

If this ever took off across the country, you will see shooters finding softer targets Once the chances of success are reduced dramatically, The shooters, like the terrorists , will find easier prey . Breaking into a school, and getting shot dead in the doorway is not appealing to someone looking for a maximum body count.