Democrats get a boost in push for socialized medicine.

[Saltwater60]

CBO: Pelosi drug pricing bill would raise wages by $116B over 10 years

House Democrats’ bill to lower drug prices would raise wages for people on employer-sponsored health insurance by $116 billion over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

thehill.com

116 billion over 10 years is 1.16 billion yearly divided by 131.5 million workers giving you an extra $8.92. Wow that’s huge. I can’t wait for my $9.00.

 

[Criticalt]

Easy buddy, youre already spending 8 cents you dont have.
The number is $8.92......not $9.00.

 

[ProgSpear]

“Math is hard...” - Barbie

 

[Saltwater60]

Easy buddy, youre already spending 8 cents you dont have.
The number is $8.92......not $9.00.

But the government does it all the time why can’t I? Won’t they just bail me out?

 

[Blimey]

Another pelosi backed economic expansion. Those don't work.

 

[Jmac00]

The reason for the wage increase, the letter states, is that when drug prices go down, the cost of health insurance also goes down because the insurer's costs decline. When employers don't have to spend as much money on health insurance for their workers, they have more money to put into wage and salary increases.

BWHAHAHAHAHA, when was the last time the price of anything went down, and the producer said "holy shit, the price of our product dropped, we should cut prices and make LESS PROFIT" ~~~~~ said no one ever

or

"the price of our product went down $2, we'll cut our price by 25¢, we will be hailed as hero's"

 

[WillyK]

CBO: Pelosi drug pricing bill would raise wages by $116B over 10 years

House Democrats’ bill to lower drug prices would raise wages for people on employer-sponsored health insurance by $116 billion over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

thehill.com

116 billion over 10 years is 1.16 billion yearly divided by 131.5 million workers giving you an extra $8.92. Wow that’s huge. I can’t wait for my $9.00.

116/10=11.6

 

[Robin]

Another pelosi backed economic expansion. Those don't work.

No, its economic enslavement. Another route to the same goal.
Robin

 

[meketrefe]

We should all get behind health care for everyone but the bill has to include to making insurance companies and pharmaceuticals lobby for profit illegal.
That means open war inside the political stablishment.
All Americans should go out and puah for that to make this tyranic system implode including the poorly planned Obamacare or any of its variants.

 

[meketrefe]

No, its economic enslavement. Another route to the same goal.
Robin

De problem is much deeper than a bunch of so called socialists not having a clue about math and economics.

 

[Podmonkey]

Whatever the House puts forward is irrelevant, the Senate won't pass it and the democrats stand a good chance of losing the House in 2020

 

[Saltwater60]

116/10=11.6

Sorry it’s 89.20 then.

 

[Robin]

De problem is much deeper than a bunch of so called socialists not having a clue about math and economics.

No, it really isn't much deeper, other than they will use any and all means to achieve their goal. and universal health care is a mighty big lure to those that find freedom uncomfortable.
Robin

 

[meketrefe]

No, it really isn't much deeper, other than they will use any and all means to achieve their goal. and universal health care is a mighty big lure to those that find freedom uncomfortable.
Robin

We should be pushing for affordable health care too. Not universal, affordable.
But the problem is so big it is out of the hands of the politicians.
It is absurd that we ha so many aircraft carriers and people have to die because certain medication or procedure is not covered.
But this is not something politicians are going to resolve. The only chanve is to remove the insurance and pharma lobby and mafias. But goverent is in it with them too.
The abuses are obscene.
Tyranny at its best.

 

[Twogunwilly]

First one to offer 50k per year for sitting on my ass gets my vote.

 

[Saltwater60]

First one to offer 50k per year for sitting on my ass gets my vote.

What if you have to give up your gun right to get that because I think those are one of the same.

 

[Saltwater60]

We should be pushing for affordable health care too. Not universal, affordable.
But the problem is so big it is out of the hands of the politicians.
It is absurd that we ha so many aircraft carriers and people have to die because certain medication or procedure is not covered.
But this is not something politicians are going to resolve. The only chanve is to remove the insurance and pharma lobby and mafias. But goverent is in it with them too.
The abuses are obscene.
Tyranny at its best.

What does adorable health care and air craft carriers have in connection?
the government should not be subsidizing or controlling the cost of anything. There are many problems that could all add up to huge savings and none of them equate to making the USA any less safe. I say we do the following
Open the markets up
The last few weeks of some ones life is where a huge chunk of health care spending goes. It was insane the tests they ran on my grandpa just to appease my mother and grandmother. That needs to stop. The anwser was always the same-he will die nothing we can do. I get that for a 10, 20, or even 50 year old but an 84 year old with heart failure??
health care executives make too much money
Health care companies are not for profit and that means they just spend everything they take in. The BCBS building in Buffalo is insane and cost a fortune. We paid for it and the money was spent so they didn’t post a profit. I’m talking covered parking garage with a covered bridge and roof lofts for employee lunches?
malpractice lawsuits are out of control. $200 million bucks is crazy sums of money.
people that cause their own problem should be on their own. You smile and get smoking related cancer sorry you pay for it.
mu sister takes her kids to every specialist and every DR’s appointment for attention. The insurance company should refuse to pay.
dr’s fudge things that aren’t necessary to get insurance companies to cover it. I had a thing on my leg growing all funny I thought might be skin cancer. Went to the dermatologist and they said it’s no big deal but we will remove it. Said ok. After it was done they said if the insurance asks you tell them it was bothering you or they won’t cover it. I could have cared less about getting it removed.
if you have insurance the DR’s charge you more because they know they will get it from the insurance companies. I’ve been billed wrong and saw that they charge you 50-60% more if you have insurance than if you dont.

 

[spat]

We should be pushing for affordable health care too. Not universal, affordable.
But the problem is so big it is out of the hands of the politicians.
It is absurd that we ha so many aircraft carriers and people have to die because certain medication or procedure is not covered.
But this is not something politicians are going to resolve. The only chanve is to remove the insurance and pharma lobby and mafias. But goverent is in it with them too.
The abuses are obscene.
Tyranny at its best.

It's a false dichotomy to think that money spent on aircraft carriers can be spent on medicine instead.

Macro economics does not work like micro economics.

You cannot retool Newport news ship yards to produce drugs or treat patients. Shutting down the shipyard will not free up any resources that are increasing the cost of drugs.

Putting welders at the shipyards out of work will not create new doctors in the hospitals.

Money is just a unit of measure for resources.

Saying "we need more money for this" only works for microeconomic problems. When you take the whole economy into consideration the money is irrelevant, it's the resources that matter.

 

[meketrefe]

It's a false dichotomy to think that money spent on aircraft carriers can be spent on medicine instead.

Macro economics does not work like micro economics.

You cannot retool Newport news ship yards to produce drugs or treat patients. Shutting down the shipyard will not free up any resources that are increasing the cost of drugs.

Putting welders at the shipyards out of work will not create new doctors in the hospitals.

Money is just a unit of measure for resources.

Saying "we need more money for this" only works for microeconomic problems. When you take the whole economy into consideration the money is irrelevant, it's the resources that matter.

Aircraftt csrriers perhaps are not a great example and I knownwhst you are saying.
I know but those massive investments like also DHS and hardworking families still cannot afford health care due to the desorbitanting costs of insurance and medications and an entire system that is rigged.
Two represenrstions of the same nation, one of financial power and greatness and the other of what?
It is not a free market that is against the very basic principals of the nation and its economy. It is designed to be unffair and bleed the citizen dry.
It used to be that a Veterinary could treat the cows and on top take care of a couple of medical problems in the family. Or the towns doctor could offer "a la carte" services almost everyone could afford amd that doctor still make a good living.
Still works like that in many places in the planet outside their state public programs.
In the USA is they will not allow those practices anymore and the cost of the same medication ALONE is sometimes 10, 20 or 30 times higher than the same pills, from the same manufacturer but retailed in other countries.
The health care system has many great things for those who can afford it but the cost of it is not proportional to all those benefits it provides and it lets people die, bunkrumpt families or both.
The problem is huge.
We love this nation but we cannot pretend everything is the greatest and relax around all these corrupt system and lobby crooks.

 

[meketrefe]

And I agree lawsuits are outnof control. Built in inefficiencies, commissons, etc...
But then the the fact the companies can jack up prices iin even generic meds.yet you cannot import the same med. Because regulation and THE KINGS LAWS.
That is against human rights.
Very frivolous marketplace tactics that are illegal in many places somehow the lobby has managed to control.

Raise your hand who doesnt agree that the American dream is under attack and we are facing unprecedented inequality due to the systemstic destruction of middle class and well being.

 

[Robin]

We should be pushing for affordable health care too. Not universal, affordable.
But the problem is so big it is out of the hands of the politicians.
It is absurd that we ha so many aircraft carriers and people have to die because certain medication or procedure is not covered.
But this is not something politicians are going to resolve. The only chanve is to remove the insurance and pharma lobby and mafias. But goverent is in it with them too.
The abuses are obscene.
Tyranny at its best.

Let the market bear. The problem IS because of government involvement!!!! Affordability and accessibility, what next, Housing(?), oh yeah the G already set up section eight, and the working people pick up the tab for that corrupt scam. Get the effing government out of this shit and the TRUE fair market value will bear out. We have a fake economy, the same thing that brought down the soviet union.
Robin

 

[Twogunwilly]

What if you have to give up your gun right to get that because I think those are one of the same.

I'll spend it on guns, women & drugs. The rest I would just waste.

 

[Saltwater60]

And I agree lawsuits are outnof control. Built in inefficiencies, commissons, etc...
But then the the fact the companies can jack up prices iin even generic meds.yet you cannot import the same med. Because regulation and THE KINGS LAWS.
That is against human rights.
Very frivolous marketplace tactics that are illegal in many places somehow the lobby has managed to control.

Raise your hand who doesnt agree that the American dream is under attack and we are facing unprecedented inequality due to the systemstic destruction of middle class and well being.

I agree with you 100% on jacking up drug prices 300x’s. We have a government commission on healthcare increases maybe have them review drug price increases.
I know a few doctors and they get lunches from drug reps 3 times per week. Times that over every medical office and each drug company and that’s millions saved right there.

 

[meketrefe]

Let the market bear. The problem IS because of government involvement!!!! Affordability and accessibility, what next, Housing(?), oh yeah the G already set up section eight, and the working people pick up the tab for that corrupt scam. Get the effing government out of this shit and the TRUE fair market value will bear out. We have a fake economy, the same thing that brought down the soviet union.
Robin

I agree with you but for that you need to remove all the legislation and regulations that are designed to protect the corrupted business of insurance and pharma industries in the US.
Right now there is no chance for many intiatives to help small business and the consumers. The laws, taxes and fda are.there to protect the lobbysts business.

 

[Robin]

Politicians are getting paid off. Expand the justice department and start arresting these people, both corporate and political, for the laws that have been on the books for a hundred years. Clean it up and things will even out on its own, its the dirty fingers of a corrupt government that are the cause. It is really that simple. Einsteins calculation was pages long but he achieved a simple fact, E = mc2. That is simple and direct as solutions always are.
Robin

 

[spat]

Aircraftt csrriers perhaps are not a great example and I knownwhst you are saying.
I know but those massive investments like also DHS and hardworking families still cannot afford health care due to the desorbitanting costs of insurance and medications and an entire system that is rigged.
Two represenrstions of the same nation, one of financial power and greatness and the other of what?
It is not a free market that is against the very basic principals of the nation and its economy. It is designed to be unffair and bleed the citizen dry.
It used to be that a Veterinary could treat the cows and on top take care of a couple of medical problems in the family. Or the towns doctor could offer "a la carte" services almost everyone could afford amd that doctor still make a good living.
Still works like that in many places in the planet outside their state public programs.
In the USA is they will not allow those practices anymore and the cost of the same medication ALONE is sometimes 10, 20 or 30 times higher than the same pills, from the same manufacturer but retailed in other countries.
The health care system has many great things for those who can afford it but the cost of it is not proportional to all those benefits it provides and it lets people die, bunkrumpt families or both.
The problem is huge.
We love this nation but we cannot pretend everything is the greatest and relax around all these corrupt system and lobby crooks.

It is the dreams of the left made real.

It is "the rich" subsidizing "the poor". What they don't get is that we *are* "the rich".

That kid slinging burgers at McD's makes more in a week than most people in the world make in a month.

True, there are plenty of other "rich" that skate by without doing their part, but those are the ones the left worships. Europe, Canada, etc... They get their cheap drugs and cheap defense, etc, because *we* are subsidizing the entire planet.

They are right, it should be more fair. Drugs should cost more in other first world nations so that we don't have to carry everyone.

NATO should straight up pay us for the service we provide.

 

[meketrefe]

In europe there are areas that work well and areas that are a dissaster so generalizing is totally arbitrary.
I am not familiar with Canada so.I cannot tell what works or not.
I dont think it is the dream of the left nor the dream of the right basically because with the current state of politics their dreams dont mean shit. Some sort of mascaraded soution can be provided that does not make sense but still the consumers will be screwed and the lobby and their interests protected.
Socrates warned us about these deficiencies in the democratic system.