Democrats steal ANOTHER election????

[ronstar]

They were talking massive Red wave a few months ago. Now they're saying Democrats will keep their hold and maybe increase their power!

Many folks say the 2020 election was stolen, are the Dems about to steal another one?

What say you?

 

[spat]

They were talking massive Red wave a few months ago. Now they're saying Democrats will keep their hold and maybe increase their power!

Many folks say the 2020 election was stolen, are the Dems about to steal another one?

What say you?

They haven't plugged any of the gaping holes from last time, so I don't think we'll ever know.

Nobody should have to present evidence an election was stolen. The people running it need to prove it was secure. There is currently no way to do that.

Why would anyone trust an election where the chain of custody is chock full of "just trust us" steps.

Virtually everyone in the country hasn't trusted the outcome of at least one of the last 2 elections, and they are getting less secure, not more.

The most critical thing for an election to be legitimate is that people must trust the outcome.

There is a massive gap in that trust for the 2020 election and so far the only plan to deal with that going forward is "well, we don’t care about the opinions of those people".

It doesn't matter if you run the most secure election in history. If people don't trust it, it's illegitimate.

 

[Saltwater60]

So they were right two weeks ago and now they are right two weeks later? Nothing has changed other than Biden spent more money, then spent more money again. He passed the inflation reduction act that anyone with a brain is now well aware it won’t reduce inflation so it is now called the climate act. Funny how the only thing has changed is Biden said I’ll give you $10,000 or $20,000 two weeks prior to you voting for my party. In any other case it would be called bribery but it’s ok in this case?
Just wait until people actually see what happens after we’ve been on this path for some time.
I personally think the democrats winning the mid terms is a good thing because then we, the conservatives, have a chance to take back all three chambers in 2024. The question is can we wait until 2024 and will the dems pack the Supreme Court?

 

[ronstar]

Its a big concern

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

So they were right two weeks ago and now they are right two weeks later? Nothing has changed other than Biden spent more money, then spent more money again. He passed the inflation reduction act that anyone with a brain is now well aware it won’t reduce inflation so it is now called the climate act. Funny how the only thing has changed is Biden said I’ll give you $10,000 or $20,000 two weeks prior to you voting for my party. In any other case it would be called bribery but it’s ok in this case?
Just wait until people actually see what happens after we’ve been on this path for some time.
I personally think the democrats winning the mid terms is a good thing because then we, the conservatives, have a chance to take back all three chambers in 2024. The question is can we wait until 2024 and will the dems pack the Supreme Court?

I love when the Democrats give my kids more future debt and further dilute the value of our currency to buy votes today.

 

[ronstar]

I love when the Democrats give my kids more future debt and further dilute the value of our currency to buy votes today.

Public college should be free. Mitch McConnell paid $500.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Public college should be free. Mitch McConnell paid $500.

I don't care how much some dinosaur paid 4 decades ago.

I also bet he paid it off with his money.


I really have a problem with big education. All these universities want government funding, keep raising their prices and giving kids useless degrees that they'll never be able to get a proper return on investment.

The universities and their government enablers should all be investigated. College should not be this outrageous.

I paid for my college (.gov paid for some with the GI bill but regardless I did something to earn daddy govs money). My wife paid for hers too.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

For @ronstar

 

[Saltwater60]

Public college should be free. Mitch McConnell paid $500.

So he was special or that’s what it costs ten? Yes it’s a problem but no it should not be free. Also free is never free.

 

[Saltwater60]

I don't care how much some dinosaur paid 4 decades ago.

I also bet he paid it off with his money.


I really have a problem with big education. All these universities want government funding, keep raising their prices and giving kids useless degrees that they'll never be able to get a proper return on investment.

The universities and their government enablers should all be investigated. College should not be this outrageous.

I paid for my college (.gov paid for some with the GI bill but regardless I did something to earn daddy govs money). My wife paid for hers too.

Kid I know is getting a music degree and will cost him $150,000. He will hopefully be a music teacher, but he could get a degree much cheaper. His parents co-signed for all debt. No thanks. I told my kid I’m not co-signing, but I’m paying for 50% of it.

 

[ronstar]

For @ronstar

I dont want stupid YouTube videos.

 

[Blimey]

I know OP is just taking the piss but the last election was litigated to kingdom come and is now known as the big lie among people with reasoning skills.

The only way the crybabies stop is if the crybaby in chief is criminally charged for election fraud. This is the only way republicans stop being the party of "I lost so it must have been rigged". The good news is that it's looking like that will happen. The call with brad raffensperger was fucking magic. Trump absolutely buried himself on that call. But, no worries, he did a lot more besides that as well. Moreover, with georgia being a state no presidential pardon will ever help it.

Of all the legal threats Trump is facing, is this the one that could take him down?

The quiet workings of a Georgia grand jury hearing evidence of election fraud could represent the ex-president’s greatest danger

www.theguardian.com

 

[Blimey]

There is a massive gap in that trust for the 2020 election and so far the only plan to deal with that going forward is "well, we don’t care about the opinions of those people".

It doesn't matter if you run the most secure election in history. If people don't trust it, it's illegitimate.

We've gone back and forth on that and I have the same position I always did.

There's no way an intelligent person can convince a person who believes in nanobots, for example, that the election wasn't stolen if the nanobot believer wants to believe it was stolen. It's like trying to teach a dog to write. It's not possible. On the contrary, the person who believes in nanobots should, in good conscience, not even be voting. You're still thinking everyone is inherently reasonable and can be reasoned with. But, as you know cults exist and cultists by their very nature cannot be reasoned with. Else, they are not in a cult. At some point you have to just chalk them up as a loss and move on.

Anybody who still believes the 2020 election was stolen is an ignorant fool and makes the country worse by expressing their opinion on this matter. This is illustrated by the inverse correlation in believing that and general level of education, among other things.

 

[spat]

We've gone back and forth on that and I have the same position I always did.

There's no way an intelligent person can convince a person who believes in nanobots, for example, that the election wasn't stolen if the nanobot believer wants to believe it was stolen. It's like trying to teach a dog to write. It's not possible. On the contrary, the person who believes in nanobots should, in good conscience, not even be voting. You're still thinking everyone is inherently reasonable and can be reasoned with. But, as you know cults exist and cultists by their very nature cannot be reasoned with. Else, they are not in a cult. At some point you have to just chalk them up as a loss and move on.

Anybody who still believes the 2020 election was stolen is an ignorant fool and makes the country worse by expressing their opinion on this matter. This is illustrated by the inverse correlation in believing that and general level of education, among other things.

How can you be so confident it wasn't stolen ?

The security measures were simply not in place to be able to prove that to any reasonable level of confidence.

 

[Blimey]

How can you be so confident it wasn't stolen ?

The security measures were simply not in place to be able to prove that to any reasonable level of confidence.

shit loads of court cases and the fact every claim it was stolen looked silly on its face and, with even a miniscule bit of research, become obviously so.

It's a huge load of shit. I could tell two days after the election it was. The first big lie was the watermarks. Remember those? Remember the dominion server raid in germany that never happened? From there just ever more fanciful stories. Lie after lie after lie. Finally they are getting in front of a grand jury where they belong.

I refreshed myself on georgia last night. Here's 13 minutes that explains why now rudy giuliani is being investigated criminally also. He lied. He knew he lied, didn't care. trump and his second rate lawyers conspired to commit election fraud in georgia.

 

[ronstar]

Trump has called for the election to be redone. On his failing social media platform. He's such a loser.

 

[1075tech]

I don't care how much some dinosaur paid 4 decades ago.

I also bet he paid it off with his money.


I really have a problem with big education. All these universities want government funding, keep raising their prices and giving kids useless degrees that they'll never be able to get a proper return on investment.

The universities and their government enablers should all be investigated. College should not be this outrageous.

I paid for my college (.gov paid for some with the GI bill but regardless I did something to earn daddy govs money). My wife paid for hers too.

Kid I know is getting a music degree and will cost him $150,000. He will hopefully be a music teacher, but he could get a degree much cheaper. His parents co-signed for all debt. No thanks. I told my kid I’m not co-signing, but I’m paying for 50% of it.

My daughter graduated with her Associate's Degree with no debt, her Bachelor's with just a little, and finally her Master's degree. It took her 7 years instead of 6. Less than 10k in debt. Her friend graduated with her Bachelor's in 4 years. Same field. 90k in debt.

The difference? My daughter worked full time while going to school full time. We helped pay for her 1st two years of junior college and then took advantage of tax laws to keep recirculating that same money. Her friend didn't work and partied through school.

My daughter took temporary positions until she landed a full-time, permanent position that pays well. Her friend took the first job available in a state institution that pays substantially less.

I only went as far as my associates degree because, even though we were poor, I still had to pay my own way. I couldn't afford another 2 years. Now I'm old.

 

[repete]

Its a big concern

Not really, you obviously don't get Trump's MAGA secret emails. We got it all set!.

 

[spat]

shit loads of court cases and the fact every claim it was stolen looked silly on its face and, with even a miniscule bit of research, become obviously so.

It's a huge load of shit. I could tell two days after the election it was. The first big lie was the watermarks. Remember those? Remember the dominion server raid in germany that never happened? From there just ever more fanciful stories. Lie after lie after lie. Finally they are getting in front of a grand jury where they belong.

I refreshed myself on georgia last night. Here's 13 minutes that explains why now rudy giuliani is being investigated criminally also. He lied. He knew he lied, didn't care. trump and his second rate lawyers conspired to commit election fraud in georgia.

You're looking at this backwards.

You're arguing that nobody has proven it was stolen.

The point is that it was conducted in a manner in which it could be stolen without any ability to detect that.

Imagine if some new drug was released and the FDA had to prove it was unsafe, not the drug company prove it was safe.

Then the drug company arranged so that there was no record of who took it and who didn't making it impossible to gather any data on side effects ?

Would you trust such a drug ?

Would the fact that the drug company won every lawsuit because the plaintiffs were unable to prove the drug caused their harm mean it must be safe ?

Because that's what the 2020 election looked like.


The burden of proof is on the government to demonstrate that the election was secure. They can't do that because they do not have the records to be able to do it.

The fact that people haven't proven in court that it was stolen is not the point, and IMHO they were foolish to try. They're accepting the government moving that goal post.

 

[ronstar]

You're looking at this backwards.

You're arguing that nobody has proven it was stolen.

The point is that it was conducted in a manner in which it could be stolen without any ability to detect that.

Imagine if some new drug was released and the FDA had to prove it was unsafe, not the drug company prove it was safe.

Then the drug company arranged so that there was no record of who took it and who didn't making it impossible to gather any data on side effects ?

Would you trust such a drug ?

Would the fact that the drug company won every lawsuit because the plaintiffs were unable to prove the drug caused their harm mean it must be safe ?

Because that's what the 2020 election looked like.


The burden of proof is on the government to demonstrate that the election was secure. They can't do that because they do not have the records to be able to do it.

The fact that people haven't proven in court that it was stolen is not the point, and IMHO they were foolish to try. They're accepting the government moving that goal post.

Powell and Lindell kept demanding that the media stop demanding to see evidence that the election was stolen.

It was funny.

 

[spat]

Powell and Lindell kept demanding that the media stop demanding to see evidence that the election was stolen.

It was funny.

It was a mistake ever trying to prove it. The whole point is that the rules the election was conducted under make it possible to steal it with virtually no evidence.

Imagine conducting an election in the old Greek style (where voters drop a marble into the jar for their preferred candidate).

But then the jars are removed and counted in secret, and when the least popular candidate in 100 years beats the extremely popular one, the guys counting the marbles say "you can't prove it was stolen".

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Powell and Lindell kept demanding that the media stop demanding to see evidence that the election was stolen.

It was funny.

You're right, this guy won with popular support on the strongest campaign in history. He was non stop out there. He had a ton of energy, sold out venues everywhere, he even left his basement!

 

[ronstar]

You're right, this guy won with popular support on the strongest campaign in history. He was non stop out there. He had a ton of energy, sold out venues everywhere, he even left his basement!


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Sorry bro, but without evidence of widespread fraud that flipped the election in several states, you got nada.

 

[ronstar]

It was a mistake ever trying to prove it. The whole point is that the rules the election was conducted under make it possible to steal it with virtually no evidence.

Nonsense. You guys were totally fine with rules being changed in states that Trump won. Made zero complaints.

 

[spat]

Nonsense. You guys were totally fine with rules being changed in states that Trump won. Made zero complaints.

Obviously the level of fraud in those states it was not sufficient to alter the outcome.

You have to pick your battles.

Pretty sure we've been advocating more secure elections in all states.

 

[spat]

Sorry bro, but without evidence of widespread fraud that flipped the election in several states, you got nada.

Without the ability to demonstrate that the election was secure, why should anyone trust the result ?


Do you guys on the left have whiplash from spending 4 years going on about how the 2016 election was stolen (with no evidence I might add) to aiming that the 2020 election couldn't possibly have been stolen, despite the drastically reduced security in the latter ?

That all happened in a few weeks. You're brains must have seriously OD'd on the cognitive whiplash there.

But I suppose you did the same thing about covid. In about a month you went from "Trump is overreacting for racist reasons" to "OMG, everyone is going to die because Trump said the disease is a hoax".

 

[ronstar]

Without the ability to demonstrate that the election was secure, why should anyone trust the result ?


Do you guys on the left have whiplash from spending 4 years going on about how the 2016 election was stolen (with no evidence I might add) to aiming that the 2020 election couldn't possibly have been stolen, despite the drastically reduced security in the latter ?

That all happened in a few weeks. You're brains must have seriously OD'd on the cognitive whiplash there.

But I suppose you did the same thing about covid. In about a month you went from "Trump is overreacting for racist reasons" to "OMG, everyone is going to die because Trump said the disease is a hoax".

Fact: the 2016 Trump campaign solicited election assistance from foreign agents. That was a crime. It did not give him the win but it was still a crime.

 

[Defilade]

Fact: the 2016 Trump campaign solicited election assistance from foreign agents. That was a crime. It did not give him the win but it was still a crime.

Was it Russia? Lol

 

[ronstar]

Was it Russia? Lol

Yes, it was a Russian agent. The meeting took place at Trump Tower.

 

[tirwin1]

Yes, it was a Russian agent. The meeting took place at Trump Tower.

Someone is off their meds. Tell us, was the Steele report accurate?