Do You think Mutually Assured Destruction will save us! Not so Fast!

[BerettaGuy]

We in the US have been indoctrinated that MAD will avoid Nuclear War and consider Nuclear War must never be fought.
Here is a CIA guy that says Putin and Russia and other adversaries don't necessarily believe that Nuclear War is unwinnable.
The one thing that Ukraine is showing us is that Russia doesn't care about civilian populations or limited war.
Could our Nuclear deterrent be like Russian Truck tires?
If you don't want to hear this and some inconvenient facts, don't watch it.

Personally, I don't see a way out of this WWIII that is at the Beginning of the beginning.
WARNING! This is scary!

 

[BerettaGuy]

Dysfunctional optimism is something that a liberal would do.
Mutually Assured Destruction will keep us safe is dysfunctional optimism.
When Russia launches a small nuke at Berlin Warsaw will you then agree that WWIII has started?
Having a semi-functioning dementia patient as a President is dysfunctional optimism.
A large swath of the world's countries has turned against Russia. They feel like their backs are against the wall.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I watched the entire interview Earlier (I linked to it in the Donbass thread). It's worth an hour to listen if you have time to kill or somewhere to drive to.

Dr Pry brings up a lot of good points.

I don't think all of his data is accurate for example he states our submarines and trident missiles don't have long range (they appear to be 7500+ miles)

UGM-96 Trident I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And needing 3 days to get nuclear bombers ready (also not entirely accurate)


But if you ignore those discrepancies he makes a lot of really good points and highlights difference of philosophy. Russia doesn't look at life nor nuclear war the same way we in the west do. It really is a good interview.

I loved the hypothetical conundrum "if" Russia nukes NATO Europe what would the US do

 

[Jmac00]

I watched the entire interview Earlier (I linked to it in the Donbass thread). It's worth an hour to listen if you have time to kill or somewhere to drive to.

Dr Pry brings up a lot of good points.

I don't think all of his data is accurate for example he states our submarines and trident missiles don't have long range (they appear to be 7500+ miles)

UGM-96 Trident I - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And needing 3 days to get nuclear bombers ready (also not entirely accurate)


But if you ignore those discrepancies he makes a lot of really good points and highlights difference of philosophy. Russia doesn't look at life nor nuclear war the same way we in the west do. It really is a good interview.

I loved the hypothetical conundrum "if" Russia nukes NATO Europe what would the US do

with Biden in Charge, I think EVERYONE knows the answer to that. I think Putin KNOWS what Biden would do, NOTHING

 

[GOPerfect]

Mutually Assured Destruction is a made up term to instill fear into the masses.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I like the concept of "mutually assured destruction". Kind of boring until a new player joins, and says IDGAF (Iran most likely).

It's really just a Mexican standoff, with nukes though.

Best part in the clip is at 2:10 when Mr. Israel emerges unscathed and runs off with the barrel of oil.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Mutually Assured Destruction is a made up term to instill fear into the masses.

Mutually Assured Destruction is a made-up term to instill dysfunctional optimism into the US masses for votes.
His point is, Russia doesn't care. They have been being invaded forever. Casualties are a minor inconvenience. M.A.D. was a made-up term to get votes for the party that convinced us Nuclear War is un-winnable therefore unthinkable. We bought it hook line and sinker.
Russia thinks a Nuclear War is winnable and doesn't play that game. So Putin has already won.
Let's hope our nuclear arsenal isn't like their truck tires. Do you really think the Bush's and Obamas and Clinton's would give up money from their pet projects to beef up and modernize our nuclear warfare systems?

Will Putin nuke Warsaw or Berlin? I predict probably. But they will be low yield. Which won't matter to those at ground zero.
WWII which began in WWI continues. Makes you wonder. Was Patton like Trump? Right again?

 

[Cooolone]

When will we start teaching the children to get under the desks when the air raid sirens go off? They need to do that while maintaining their masks and making sure they have their Potassium pills as well. Maybe each student should carry a Tyvek suit as well, so they can get home thru the fallout!!!

Bunch of fucking snowflakes started this shit about Russia and the fact they have a nuclear arsenal and that WE need to be worried! These are the same fucking jellyfish backbone people who are scared of their own shadows!

If it comes, it comes, who gives a shit! Not a fucking thing worrying or talking about it does, except lend more empowerment to those who enjoy the masses living in a constant state of fear and the belief they NEED the Gov't to protect them!!!

/end rant...

 

[Deplorable Me]

Mutually Assured Destruction assumes you're dealing with rational people. Given the woke era of political correctness the world has aspired to I see a grand lack of priorities. I have more faith in the leadership on the Titanic than I do of world leadership right now. The secret to surviving all this shit will be to double pile the ammo stash on top of the bunker to utilize the shielding properties of all the lead. You also might want to print out the survival manuals and extra porn for when the big EMP takes out the grid, electric and computers. On the bright side fuck the IRS and filing taxes next year.

 

[spat]

We in the US have been indoctrinated that MAD will avoid Nuclear War and consider Nuclear War must never be fought.
Here is a CIA guy that says Putin and Russia and other adversaries don't necessarily believe that Nuclear War is unwinnable.
The one thing that Ukraine is showing us is that Russia doesn't care about civilian populations or limited war.
Could our Nuclear deterrent be like Russian Truck tires?
If you don't want to hear this and some inconvenient facts, don't watch it.

Personally, I don't see a way out of this WWIII that is at the Beginning of the beginning.
WARNING! This is scary!

The US and Russia can use MAD as a deterrent.

Nobody else has the ability. China, the UK, etc... can give you a hell of a bloody nose, but they can't do MAD.

What we need to do is bring back our ABM stuff. We need to declare that the treaties that banned it are no longer in force, then build a 21st century version of SDI.

Then MAD would be off the table, even for Russia.

The US would be able to assure the destruction of anyone, but nobody could inflict a fatal blow to us.

At best they might get a couple cities in a sneak attack before they were utterly annihilated in return.

Every single nation on earth is a violent psychopathic criminal. You do not want to deal with any of them as equals. You want them to always be terrified of getting on the wrong side of you.

 

[SonOfSun]

The one thing that Ukraine is showing us is that Russia doesn't care about civilian populations or limited war.

Russian citizens aren't dying, it's Ukrainian citizens dying. That doesn't mean MAD doesn't apply to the USA / Russia dynamic. I don't know if Russian leadership care about their citizens, but Russia knows we can nuke their entire country to glass even if it's just retaliatory. They also know that 6 months after we nuke them to glass in an all out ICBM exchange remnant American subs can pop up and do it again. Ukraine can't do that.

 

[BerettaGuy]

When will we start teaching the children to get under the desks when the air raid sirens go off? They need to do that while maintaining their masks and making sure they have their Potassium pills as well. Maybe each student should carry a Tyvek suit as well, so they can get home thru the fallout!!!

Bunch of fucking snowflakes started this shit about Russia and the fact they have a nuclear arsenal and that WE need to be worried! These are the same fucking jellyfish backbone people who are scared of their own shadows!

If it comes, it comes, who gives a shit! Not a fucking thing worrying or talking about it does, except lend more empowerment to those who enjoy the masses living in a constant state of fear and the belief they NEED the Gov't to protect them!!!

/end rant...

You got it! I remember the celebration when Obama agreed to destroy more nukes. I thought at the time ok bitches. No nukes means getting drafted.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Russian citizens aren't dying, it's Ukrainian citizens dying. That doesn't mean MAD doesn't apply to the USA / Russia dynamic. I don't know if Russian leadership care about their citizens, but Russia knows we can nuke their entire country to glass even if it's just retaliatory. They also know that 6 months after we nuke them to glass in an all out ICBM exchange remnant American subs can pop up and do it again. Ukraine can't do that.

Their soldiers are dying. I have heard up to 12 thousand so far, but who knows.
On the other hand, when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia I'm sure there were guys like us talking about how far that would go. After all, he was just liberating German-speaking Czechs in the Sudetenland. The Bottom line is Europeans are bickering with each other again just like they did in 1938. We had an option back then too. Stay out of it or help out.
What is next, the sinking of a US oil tanker? Remember the Lusitania!

 

[BerettaGuy]

Move along!
Nothing to see here!
SHUT UP and concentrate on the Oscars.
If Tom Clancy was writing a book about how WW3 started he would have these headlines in the run-up to hostilities.
Anything other than "dysfunctional optimism" will get you banned on Social Media.


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