First "unrestricted" incident

[Carlos Hathcock]

Well I'll give the broad strokes without going into too much intimate information. Attended a local "artistic performance" at a well known venue with my wife. Have carried into this venue previously with no issues. As we approached the door there was the usual womens purse inspections. This time there was another gentleman wanding patrons. I decided to see how this was going to go.

Arms raised, wand passed up one side and down the other. "Beeeeeeeeeeeep". Police officer running the wand. Tap tap tap on the Kimber with the wand. "Whatcha got there?"
"My personal carry"
"You a cop?"
"Nope".
Sorry, can't bring that in here". Taps on his weapon at his hip. "Don't worry, we gotcha covered".
While preventing myself from blurting out "Oh good! You're going to be sitting in the seat next me at the show!" I simply said, "no problem, be right back".
Locked in the vehicle, went back through his check.
"Enjoy the show."
He didnt go nuts, didnt change his demeanor, and I think handled it very professionally.

End of story.

 

[Darth]

Dumb comment on the cop's part.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The proper response was that this was private property and the owner instructed him that he doesn't want firearms in his establishments except for security personnel.

With that said he would have let you in if you produced a badge so that in itself is hypocrisy.

 

[masterswimmer]

"Taps on his weapon at his hip. "Don't worry, we gotcha covered"."

Cool, can I get that in writing?

 

[togmaster]

Unfortunate incident.

 

[misunderestimated]

I would avoid such intentional interactions, things are changing, there is a new type of training going on that makes guns TABU , Play silly games will silly prizes ,

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Is it normal the cop didn't ask to see your permit?

 

[dsdmmat]

Unreasonable search?

 

[kev74]

I would avoid such intentional interactions, things are changing, there is a new type of training going on that makes guns TABU , Play silly games will silly prizes ,

I've been to places that have looked through my wife's purse, but didn't wand me and let me through while carrying. Most of the venues don't post "no guns" signs, don't have a written gun policy on their websites, and decide based on the act playing or recent high profile incidents if they will search people going in.

If its not posted and nobody tells me I can't, I'm carrying.

 

[Justincase]

How did the wife react?

 

[MikeyCNY]

The government thanks you for your blind compliance.

 

[C3D]

Leaving the gun in the car = stolen gun = loss of license for failure to safeguard.

If they don't let your gun in, get it home to a safe or other safefkeeping place, even if you miss the shw.

PS ankle holsters never get wanded.

 

[Darth]

Unreasonable search?

Private venue.

 

[Doc8404]

Leaving the gun in the car = stolen gun = loss of license for failure to safeguard.

If they don't let your gun in, get it home to a safe or other safefkeeping place, even if you miss the shw.

PS ankle holsters never get wanded.

Or AIWB with a metal belt buckle.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Leaving the gun in the car = stolen gun = loss of license for failure to safeguard.

If they don't let your gun in, get it home to a safe or other safefkeeping place, even if you miss the shw.

PS ankle holsters never get wanded.

It was a choice of locking it in the vehicle and going to the show or telling the wife we're going home without seeing the show she got tickets to for my birthday. Wife actually kind of laughed it off which was a surprise.
As far as gun stolen from locked vehicles I'm not a lawyer but I'd have to call foul on that. If you cannot enter carrying your weapon, its locked in your trunk if you have one, preferably a secure lockbox as well. So let's suppose your transporting your pistol to an FFL or gunsmith for sale / service. Its stolen out of your vehicle in transit so you lose your permit?

 

[dsdmmat]

Private venue.

Government agent doing the wanding?

Either unreasonable search or inappropriate use of government assets.

 

[Darth]

Government agent doing the wanding?

Either unreasonable search or inappropriate use of government assets.

True, no way our tax dollars should be paying for such nonsense.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Government agent doing the wanding?

Either unreasonable search or inappropriate use of government assets.

Let me clarify this a little bit. Crowded and dark and I was pretty sure he was a police officer not in full uniform. He did have a sidearm so I assumed not private security but I'm no expert.

 

[Toecutter]

I believe venues can hire police for security. The venue pays them overtime off shift.

 

[Criticalt]

It was a choice of locking it in the vehicle and going to the show or telling the wife we're going home without seeing the show she got tickets to for my birthday. Wife actually kind of laughed it off which was a surprise.
As far as gun stolen from locked vehicles I'm not a lawyer but I'd have to call foul on that. If you cannot enter carrying your weapon, its locked in your trunk if you have one, preferably a secure lockbox as well. So let's suppose your transporting your pistol to an FFL or gunsmith for sale / service. Its stolen out of your vehicle in transit so you lose your permit?

I believe its up to the local DA and judge.
Three years ago a friend of a friend of mine got his pistol stolen from his truck while parked downtown Jamestown NY.
No charges of any kind and no loss of permit.
The gun has not been recovered.

 

[dsdmmat]

True, no way our tax dollars should be paying for such nonsense.

Let me clarify this a little bit. Crowded and dark and I was pretty sure he was a police officer not in full uniform. He did have a sidearm so I assumed not private security but I'm no expert.

I believe venues can hire police for security. The venue pays them overtime off shift.

I have no issues with private venues hiring private security and preventing firearms from coming in.

I have issues with government assets being used or allowing the private security (off duty officers) to wear their duty uniform.

It is either inappropriate use of government assets or it is a misrepresentation of the facts. Government approval and enforcement of private corporate policies.

 

[Toecutter]

Most equipment police use in a lot of places are paid for by the officer the cops owns the gun belt holster handcuffs etc . cops are also technically never off duty if there is a crime they are suppose to act . when I worked for at&t in Stanford ct, state laws prohibits anyone other then police from flagging traffic so we had to hire off duty cops in uniform to direct traffic any time we closed a lane. The cops loved us they made shit tons of overtime on AT&T s dime.

 

[Doc8404]

to add

Public workers, private patrols in New Hartford

 

[dsdmmat]

Most equipment police use in a lot of places are paid for by the officer the cops owns the gun belt holster handcuffs etc . cops are also technically never off duty if there is a crime they are suppose to act . when I worked for at&t in Stanford ct, state laws prohibits anyone other then police from flagging traffic so we had to hire off duty cops in uniform to direct traffic any time we closed a lane. The cops loved us they made shit tons of overtime on AT&T s dime.

doesnt overtime pad retirement Beni fits in most departments?

There are all kinds of liabilities being forced on the government that controls the department by having officers on duty for private entities.

Civil suits, wokmans comp are just two examples. Then there is the private corporation getting out of paying FICA taxes, workman’s comp and other expenses.

When the Afghan war stabilized enough to get corporations to come in and do things on the FOBs. Companies were hiring military retirees so they wouldn’t have to pay the government for medical care. The retirees could go to any military aid station for health care. This allowed them to bid lower to get the contract and transfer the healthcare costs of their people to the taxpayers.

The government ended that loophole around 2012 but, for 9 years the taxpayers got to provide healthcare for the corporations in the war zone.

So you can see corporations are making out and have us holding the bag when something goes wrong. Some smart corporate lawyer made a lot of money duping government officials to allow this practice to be legal.

 

[Acer-m14]

Locked in the vehicle, went back through his check.
"Enjoy the show."

did he wand you again to make sure is my question ??? or .. its you again wink .. go on ..

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

did he wand you again to make sure is my question ??? or .. its you again wink .. go on ..

Yes, checked again.

 

[Saltwater60]

That’s life. I’d have just thrown it in my car before the confrontation if I saw him wanting other patrons. I’m a big I want my gun wherever I go, but I also don’t want my wife to kill me either. An active shooter is less likely than my wife’s rath.

Good move though you handled it well as did the cop. He didn’t draw too much attention to what you had and neither did you. He let you in after compliance.

Was this by chance the old historic theater in north tonawanda? God I’m getting old can’t think of the name.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

That’s life. I’d have just thrown it in my car before the confrontation if I saw him wanting other patrons. I’m a big I want my gun wherever I go, but I also don’t want my wife to kill me either. An active shooter is less likely than my wife’s rath.

Good move though you handled it well as did the cop. He didn’t draw too much attention to what you had and neither did you. He let you in after compliance.

Was this by chance the old historic theater in north tonawanda? God I’m getting old can’t think of the name.

Downtown Buffalo.

 

[Justincase]

Similar thing happened to me this summer when we went to the Italian festival. Walking up toward the entrance i noticed they were wanding folks so i told the wife i forgot something in the truck.She wanted to know what i left in there and she wouldn't let it rest and i didn't want to tell her right there in the open,so she has this hissy fit about me having to walk back 100ft to our car. Ugh.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Similar thing happened to me this summer when we went to the Italian festival. Walking up toward the entrance i noticed they were wanding folks so i told the wife i forgot something in the truck.She wanted to know what i left in there and she wouldn't let it rest and i didn't want to tell her right there in the open,so she has this hissy fit about me having to walk back 100ft to our car. Ugh.

My wife was totally cool with it. She knows I carry as often as I can. Seems to be getting used to the concept.