Fort Scott 9mm

[Marine Cpl]

You've got that backwards. More penetration, less expansion.

Tnoutdoors9 only shoots one bullet from a 4 inch barrel. He has since started shooting an average of 5.

This guy tests from 3 inch barrels. The results are a lot different based on a total of 10 rounds fired.

124 gr

147 gr

 

[Marine Cpl]

Thats a problem though, what might stop in a deer may sail through a human.

@Willjr75, how do you manage to so frequently post a reply just as I'm typing a reply to the same post? Are you psychic?

I own your mind.

 

[Podmonkey]

I own your mind.

Oh you do, do you? I pity you then, you poor bastard.

 

[Podmonkey]

Tnoutdoors9 only shoots one bullet from a 4 inch barrel. He has since started shooting an average of 5.

This guy tests from 3 inch barrels. The results are a lot different based on a total of 10 rounds fired.

124 gr

147 gr

Yeah but does he have a bigfoot?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yeah but does he have a bigfoot?

Probably not. Both those guys are pretty wimpy. They might carry tiny knives with no serrated edges though.

 

[Podmonkey]

Probably not. Both those guys are pretty wimpy. They might carry tiny knives with no serrated edges though.

You sir, are simply jealous of my cutlery perfection.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You sir, are simply jealous of my cutlery pefection.

I have to get one. I carry a flashlight and mags but no knife.

 

[Podmonkey]

I have to get one. I carry a flashlight and mags but no knife.

Serious? Oh man, the kinife is the most important EDC item outside your wallet and phone. Doesn't matter what you get but get something.

 

[Uzi]

1. In the original posts I said for those that like YouTube since there are those who would rather take the word of Joe the cop or Stan the gunshop clerk.

2. He is not the only one that came with the exact same result. There are other videos out there that produce the exact same result. You can Google them. I won't be the nice guy and help a brother out anymore. You do the homework from now on.

3. Properly calibrated gel is properly calibrated gel no matter who uses it. Improperly calibrated gel equals more penetration since it's softer.

4. You don't get to say that you like how a bullet performs via a gel test from the manufacturer posted on YouTube and then say you don't accept multiple tests from others on YouTube because it's YouTube and you don't like the results.

5. I never said that the. 45 ACP is inadequate for self defense. I said it's inadequate for barrier penetration due to speed. Whether barriers are a factor to you in self defense is entirely up to you. If they are, research it. There isn't a vast conspiracy between YouTubers making the .45 ACP fail on hard barriers. You can find results from outside of YouTube if you like.

6. A .22 lr from a handgun can indeed kill you. It may not if it hits bone or has to travel through an arm to get to your vitals however. Because of that, it isn't optimal. That's why cops and military do not carry it. They carry rounds and calibers that make it through bone into vitals from all angles and also penetrate common barriers.

7. I have learned a lot from guys throughout the years on the NY forums. I have also learned from others on other national based forums. I had my opinions just like you but after being proven wrong, I researched on my own to make sure I was wrong. Instead of getting all pissy because you don't like the results on the opinion you've based not on fact, take some time to research on your own and learn if what you are saying is correct.

I'm not getting pissy, However, I DO get to say whatever I'd like, and I DO like the concept of the RIP ammo. If you don't, that's fine. I'd like to see better versions of the idea evolve though because I won't buy it. I'm not arguing with your thought process because I do agree with what you say almost 100% of the time. The only point I'm trying to make is that all of the ammo will kill, and that people tend to forget that and ignore it because there are better options for everything. It gets to the point where some people think it's useless or completely ineffective in the real world because it's not as good as the others. That's about it, really. I never disagreed with anything you said. I also don't want to give you the impression that I was referring to YOU specifically in anyway either. Facts are facts and I look at them from all angles.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'm not getting pissy, However, I DO get to say whatever I'd like, and I DO like the concept of the RIP ammo. If you don't, that's fine. I'd like to see better versions of the idea evolve though because I won't buy it. I'm not arguing with your thought process because I do agree with what you say almost 100% of the time. The only point I'm trying to make is that all of the ammo will kill, and that people tend to forget that and ignore it because there are better options for everything. It gets to the point where some people think it's useless or completely ineffective in the real world because it's not as good as the others. That's about it, really. I never disagreed with anything you said. I also don't want to give you the impression that I was referring to YOU specifically in anyway either. Facts are facts and I look at them from all angles.

Maybe there was a disconnect on both our parts. I agree that any bullet can kill you. A .25 ACP can shoot you dead where you stand from point blank range into the chest but may not do so from your right shoulder into the heart or through a car door. I'm only trying to point out things like that. Some here actually believe the myths passed down from generation to generation. In another thread someone said that you don't need to aim a shotgun. I've also heard that the ACP will spin you like a top in the other forum.

I post videos that I come across. That is all.

 

[Uzi]

Maybe there was a disconnect on both our parts. I agree that any bullet can kill you. A .25 ACP can shoot you dead where you stand from point blank range into the chest but may not do so from your right shoulder into the heart or through a car door. I'm only trying to point out things like that. Some here actually believe the myths passed down from generation to generation. In another thread someone said that you don't need to aim a shotgun. I've also heard that the ACP will spin you like a top in the other forum.

I post videos that I come across. That is all.

yeah, I got off the topic off discussion, but not purposely though. You did just mention something interesting that leads me to another point. You could start a thread on myths of bullets, calibers etc. Hell that should be stickied in my opinion. I've seen some good and interesting videos showing what is and isn't plausible with firearms of all types. Ballistics are very informative, but it's always nice to see other tests to show damage done in other ways beyond gel tests and armor plates, like you mentioned car doors and shit like that.

 

[Jem45472]

@Willjr75 Have you looked into ruger arx 9mm? I'm getting ready for bed, so feel free if you're bored. Seems it's over 1400 fps from short barrels. I'd like to see some more testing, haven't seen a whole lot in my quick search.

 

[Marine Cpl]

@Willjr75 Have you looked into ruger arx 9mm? I'm getting ready for bed, so feel free if you're bored. Seems it's over 1400 fps from short barrels. I'd like to see some more testing, haven't seen a whole lot in my quick search.

These solid bullets with high velocity are only good in my opinion for penetrating under Level 3A pistol rated armor. If you need that, that's cool but it comes at a sacrifice of the loss of expansion.