Gov. Ron DeSantis signs Florida’s controversial ‘anti-rioting’ bill into law

[Dr. Evil]

Gov. Ron DeSantis signs Florida’s controversial ‘anti-rioting’ bill into law

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a controversial "anti-rioting" bill into law Monday during an new briefing in Polk County.

www.clickorlando.com

Who exactly is this controversial to? BLM and ANTIFA?

 

[SonOfSun]

Gov. Ron DeSantis signs Florida’s controversial ‘anti-rioting’ bill into law

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a controversial "anti-rioting" bill into law Monday during an new briefing in Polk County.

www.clickorlando.com

Who exactly is this controversial to? BLM and ANTIFA?

Most of the bill makes sense except the yelling part.

“We saw images of people just sitting outside eating at a restaurant, then you have this crazy mob circle around them and start screaming and really intimidating. I’m sorry that’s unacceptable. You’re going to be held accountable,” DeSantis said.​

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My thoughts on that are too fucking bad if you don't like people yelling at you. As long as they're doing it from public property or private property where the owner of that private property is OK with it. You're always free to leave that public space or go to a private space where yelling at you isn't permitted. First amendment free speech rights trump your wanting to not hear mean words or your desire to not be offended.



This part makes perfect sense and I'm in favor of it:

The law penalizes local governments who would look to defund their police departments and makes them liable for damage if elected leaders “tell law enforcement to stand down,” according to the governor.​

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It also applies more penalties to people who block highways during protests or topple monuments in the state.​

 

[libertysnake]

Most of the bill makes sense except the yelling part.

“We saw images of people just sitting outside eating at a restaurant, then you have this crazy mob circle around them and start screaming and really intimidating. I’m sorry that’s unacceptable. You’re going to be held accountable,” DeSantis said.​

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My thoughts on that are too fucking bad if you don't like people yelling at you. As long as they're doing it from public property or private property where the owner of that private property is OK with it. You're always free to leave that public space or go to a private space where yelling at you isn't permitted. First amendment free speech rights trump your wanting to not hear mean words or your desire to not be offended.



This part makes perfect sense and I'm in favor of it:

The law penalizes local governments who would look to defund their police departments and makes them liable for damage if elected leaders “tell law enforcement to stand down,” according to the governor.​

​

It also applies more penalties to people who block highways during protests or topple monuments in the state.​

Yes, we need more accountability for politicians. Now, all we need is to sprinkle in a little fiduciary responsibility with tax money...

 

[kev74]

Biden* could put an end to a lot of people getting hurt by taking similar action.

Of course he won't because the commie dems have been soaking this fire for almost 10 years.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

"My thoughts on that are too fucking bad if you don't like people yelling at you. As long as they're doing it from public property or private property where the owner of that private property is OK with it. You're always free to leave that public space or go to a private space where yelling at you isn't permitted. First amendment free speech rights trump your wanting to not hear mean words or your desire to not be offended."

I don't like being yelled at and don't know anyone hoping that when they go : they get yelled at. More like verbal assault and easilly escalated for the short temper ones. First amendment? If one likes to yell...go to the lake/woods or canyon.

 

[dwa12479]

Most of the bill makes sense except the yelling part.

“We saw images of people just sitting outside eating at a restaurant, then you have this crazy mob circle around them and start screaming and really intimidating. I’m sorry that’s unacceptable. You’re going to be held accountable,” DeSantis said.​

​

My thoughts on that are too fucking bad if you don't like people yelling at you. As long as they're doing it from public property or private property where the owner of that private property is OK with it. You're always free to leave that public space or go to a private space where yelling at you isn't permitted. First amendment free speech rights trump your wanting to not hear mean words or your desire to not be offended.



This part makes perfect sense and I'm in favor of it:

The law penalizes local governments who would look to defund their police departments and makes them liable for damage if elected leaders “tell law enforcement to stand down,” according to the governor.​

​

It also applies more penalties to people who block highways during protests or topple monuments in the state.​

This is from downtown Rochester last summer. This is not acceptable. People should have a reasonable expectation of being able to have a meal at a public place without this type of disruptive, intimidating behavior.

 

[libertysnake]

This is from downtown Rochester last summer. This is not acceptable. People should have a reasonable expectation of being able to have a meal at a public place without this type of disruptive, intimidating behavior.

It's one thing to express your opinion. It's quite another to actively intimidate people and throw chairs at them. Intimidation is terrorism.

Still, this is one clip of a video. I want to see what happened here. Did the protesters turn in the person throwing chairs? What came of this? If not, they're all to blame for this. Inaction is being complicit in the violence if they did nothing to stop violent acts within their ranks.

We have to start taking a nuanced stance on this.

 

[Phauxtoe]

Never wanted to retire to FLA, but i may now

 

[Apeman]

Yes, we need more accountability for politicians. Now, all we need is to sprinkle in a little fiduciary responsibility with tax money...

They should've written the law so that politicians are financially liable for damages resulting in ordering police to stand down. Just like the current push for individual police officers being held liable for violating peoples rights.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Most of the bill makes sense except the yelling part.

“We saw images of people just sitting outside eating at a restaurant, then you have this crazy mob circle around them and start screaming and really intimidating. I’m sorry that’s unacceptable. You’re going to be held accountable,” DeSantis said.​

​

My thoughts on that are too fucking bad if you don't like people yelling at you. As long as they're doing it from public property or private property where the owner of that private property is OK with it. You're always free to leave that public space or go to a private space where yelling at you isn't permitted. First amendment free speech rights trump your wanting to not hear mean words or your desire to not be offended.



This part makes perfect sense and I'm in favor of it:

The law penalizes local governments who would look to defund their police departments and makes them liable for damage if elected leaders “tell law enforcement to stand down,” according to the governor.​

​

It also applies more penalties to people who block highways during protests or topple monuments in the state.​

That's fine Mr. Troll. I'll be happy to visit a "protestor's" funeral at the cemetery and speak......nay, YELL my mind, about the passing of their lived one. Let's see how long before they decide to leave that public space and find their peace elsewhere. Maybe we can start yelling and screaming in libraries, schools, community colleges, and the like.

 

[GOPerfect]

“Today is a sad day for Florida. The Governor signed H.B. 1 into law. The bill is racist, discriminatory, unwise, unlawful, and unjust. The Governor put his stamp on this discriminatory law filled with criminalization and civil rights disenfranchisement aimed at Black and Brown Floridians. We won’t sit silent on this issue and we won’t let this stop peaceful protests across the state of Florida.”
Adora Obi Nweze, President of NAACP Florida State Conference and member of the National Board of Directors.

This statement and statements like this I find to be rather funny.

I read the majority of the Bill, nowhere did I find Race, age, or Sex mentioned.

For this Racist organization to jump the race card shows exactly where the racists issues are.

This Bill is for all: rich/poor, White/black/asian, all races are included. The bill covers male/female, inner city folk as well as those from the burbs. Nothing racist about this fantastic bill.

 

[GOPerfect]

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/1/BillText/er/PDF

 

[spat]

Most of the bill makes sense except the yelling part.

“We saw images of people just sitting outside eating at a restaurant, then you have this crazy mob circle around them and start screaming and really intimidating. I’m sorry that’s unacceptable. You’re going to be held accountable,” DeSantis said.​

​

My thoughts on that are too fucking bad if you don't like people yelling at you. As long as they're doing it from public property or private property where the owner of that private property is OK with it. You're always free to leave that public space or go to a private space where yelling at you isn't permitted. First amendment free speech rights trump your wanting to not hear mean words or your desire to not be offended.



This part makes perfect sense and I'm in favor of it:

The law penalizes local governments who would look to defund their police departments and makes them liable for damage if elected leaders “tell law enforcement to stand down,” according to the governor.​

​

It also applies more penalties to people who block highways during protests or topple monuments in the state.​

It depends on the nature of the yelling I suppose.

Protestors certainly have a 1A right to air their grievances. But lately they think this means they can threaten and intimidate bystanders into showing signs of support for their cause.

That absolutely should be illegal.

If they want to march by the sidewalk seating and shout "black lives matter" that's one thing. But when they get in the face of diners and demand they also raise a fist, they should go to jail.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

All in favor, say Aye

Aye

 

[SonOfSun]

It depends on the nature of the yelling I suppose.

Protestors certainly have a 1A right to air their grievances. But lately they think this means they can threaten and intimidate bystanders into showing signs of support for their cause.

That absolutely should be illegal.

If they want to march by the sidewalk seating and shout "black lives matter" that's one thing. But when they get in the face of diners and demand they also raise a fist, they should go to jail.

I disagree. Unless they are making a direct threat, nothing wrong with it. "Feeling intimidated" is BS way to try to restrict someone's rights. People have protest/rights walks with ARs. Example:



I can see how someone might be "intimidated" by that, but it's legal and should be legal. Should they take this person's rights because some people feel "intimidated"? My answer is no. Now if he starts pointing it at people or making threats, then haul him off, but until then that's just too damn bad if people don't like it.

Same thing applies here, if someone yelling slogans and you and saying raise that fist is "intimidating", that's just too damn bad for you, head off to a safe space with them tears. Now if they make threats, ie. raise that fist or I'll kick your ass then that's another story completely. Obviously if they start turning tables like that place in Rochester that's also another story and they should be charged, but just yelling at you and shouting - suck it up buttercup.

 

[spat]

I disagree. Unless they are making a direct threat, nothing wrong with it. "Feeling intimidated" is BS way to try to restrict someone's rights. People have protest/rights walks with ARs. Example:



I can see how someone might be "intimidated" by that, but it's legal and should be legal. Should they take this person's rights because some people feel "intimidated"? My answer is no. Now if he starts pointing it at people or making threats, then haul him off, but until then that's just too damn bad if people don't like it.

Same thing applies here, if someone yelling slogans and you and saying raise that fist is "intimidating", that's just too damn bad for you, head off to a safe space with them tears. Now if they make threats, ie. raise that fist or I'll kick your ass then that's another story completely. Obviously if they start turning tables like that place in Rochester that's also another story and they should be charged, but just yelling at you and shouting - suck it up buttercup.

An implied threat can be very real. If can also be very hard to define legally.

As you say, the concept can also be very easily abused. It absolutely cannot be defined by the feelings of the victim, but only by the intention of the perpetrator.

But, just because it's hard to get right and messy doesn't mean we can just ignore it and still have a free society.

The current status however where the determining factor on whether it will be charged or not is the politics and skin color of the perpetrator is the worst possible way to handle it.

 

[Acer-m14]

People have protest/rights walks with ARs. Example:

yes ..

show proof 2a open carry protest that bothered people having dinner or got in someone face demanding them to do something ..

you have no right to bother/interfere with someone else ... just keep walking ..

 

[Grimscale]

People have protest/rights walks with ARs.

There is no comparison between a man calmly walking, alone, quietly, while carrying a firearm and someone standing less than a foot away screaming into your face and demanding you support their bullshit.

one is protest, one is intimidation.

 

[Darth]

That's fine Mr. Troll. I'll be happy to visit a "protestor's" funeral at the cemetery and speak......nay, YELL my mind, about the passing of their lived one. Let's see how long before they decide to leave that public space and find their peace elsewhere. Maybe we can start yelling and screaming in libraries, schools, community colleges, and the like.

The the Westboro Baptist Church does?

And it's their right to.