I cannot read his dribbling drivel any longer.
Help! A NYS County is trying to suspend / revoke CCW permit over photo w/ religious headgear
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There are no "born free" citizens, no sovereign citizens....
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The US Constitutiion is not collectivist crap, And I do not wish to replace the BOR or US Consitution...just enforce it correctly, like in Bruen.
You have your sides confused and mixed up.
Divine right of kings, has nothing to do with me, or the defective Articles of Confederation or the US Consititution, except that titles of nobility are banned in the Constitution...............so you cannot be a Baron or Duke or Prince in the USA, but you can visit....like Magan and Hairy.
America’s Most Influential Sovereign Citizen Was Arrested, and He’s Already Grifting Off It
David Straight makes hundreds of thousands of dollars convincing people they can't be arrested if they follow his rules. Then he got arrested.
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The US Constitutiion is not collectivist crap, And I do not wish to replace the BOR or US Consitution...just enforce it correctly, like in Bruen.
You have your sides confused and mixed up.
Divine right of kings, has nothing to do with me, or the defective Articles of Confederation or the US Consititution, except that titles of nobility are banned in the Constitution...............so you cannot be a Baron or Duke or Prince in the USA, but you can visit....like Magan and Hairy.
stokes
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Sure sounds like Chevusa
Ever serve as a Cop, or in the Armed Services???
Millions of Vets have stood, and sworn an oath of allegiance to the Flag, and the Constitution and the Laws of the United States, or the State...The Republic demands it........... loyalty.
Ever do it? I have.
It means something.
The forum is about law and politics.........opinions are one thing, but facts are another.
Millions of Vets have stood, and sworn an oath of allegiance to the Flag, and the Constitution and the Laws of the United States, or the State...The Republic demands it........... loyalty.
Ever do it? I have.
It means something.
The forum is about law and politics.........opinions are one thing, but facts are another.
I will answer this. Yep, I served for 25 years in the US Army. I never swore an oath of allegiance to a flag.
spat
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Neither the constitution nor the articles of confederation were intended to rule the people.There are no "born free" citizens, no sovereign citizens....
America’s Most Influential Sovereign Citizen Was Arrested, and He’s Already Grifting Off It
David Straight makes hundreds of thousands of dollars convincing people they can't be arrested if they follow his rules. Then he got arrested.
The US Constitutiion is not collectivist crap, And I do not wish to replace the BOR or US Consitution...just enforce it correctly, like in Bruen.
You have your sides confused and mixed up.
Divine right of kings, has nothing to do with me, or the defective Articles of Confederation or the US Consititution, except that titles of nobility are banned in the Constitution...............so you cannot be a Baron or Duke or Prince in the USA, but you can visit....like Magan and Hairy.
Both documents were/are solely about the relationship between the federal and state governments.
The articles of confederation *were* fatally flawed in that they didn't allow the federal government enough control to function as a single sovereign state. It was more like the EU, as an alliance of separate sovereign states.
But, none of that has anything to do with how the people themselves were ruled (that was always only laws passed by the states well into the 20th century).
The constitution did add some things that the states were *prohibited* from regulating, but it never authorized the federal government to pass regulations that were binding on individuals themselves.
So, all your nonsense about it being some collapse caused by libertarian sovereign citizens is ridiculous bullshit. The constitution and the federal government didn't start regulating the actions of private citizens within the US until after the Civil War.
If a state failed to produce sufficient regulation for society to hold together, that was entirely the states problem, and not something that was even within federal purvue.
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I always saluted the flag and said the pledge.
Regarding the defects of the Aof C, people have always had the same behavior and without the framework of the Constitution it was chaos.. many books have been written about the abuses o by the banks, states, and gangs along the state borders...it was chaos.
It would have been like letting members of this foru, with a Libertarian bent, run things..........EXACTLY CORRECT., as there were no fetters on them.
Think about it...how would you have run things?
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I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
I always saluted the flag and said the pledge.
Regarding the defects of the Aof C, people have always had the same behavior and without the framework of the Constitution it was chaos.. many books have been written about the abuses o by the banks, states, and gangs along the state borders...it was chaos.
It would have been like letting members of this foru, with a Libertarian bent, run things..........EXACTLY CORRECT., as there were no fetters on them.
Think about it...how would you have run things?
Cavalry
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Oh good, by your own admission you have stated that members of the armed services are not required to swear an oath to the flag, they swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, which you obviously are a bit murky in your understanding of.
I do not recall EVER reciting the Pledge of Allegiance when I served, nor did I swear allegiance to any state, ever.
You seem to fall into the category of domestic enemy with your statements and beliefs.
Bigfoot
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I am a Ford man, by the way.
Pissing into the wind, about sovereign citizens somehow being good Constitution/law abiding Americans.. that horse left the barn long ago. ..in 1790, but some remain unconvinced even today.
NYS's interpretation of the 2nd amendment is criminal, but until the day of victory..don't be that guy.
Wearing a spaghetti collander as a sovereign citizen's "basic right" for ID photos , and ignoring the pledge as receited by students everywhere and the military, is just so much NFL National Anthem knee bending....means nothing, but the laws are clear, and ID photos are not going away.
IN FACT 47 of 47 Euro countries require photo id and many more, like all arab countries, South and Central America, Australia.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Now for the coup d gras;
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I don't know why commonly known facts, are shitcanned in favor of inaccurate, uninformed personal opinions. Read a bit and research the net ............
Pissing into the wind, about sovereign citizens somehow being good Constitution/law abiding Americans.. that horse left the barn long ago. ..in 1790, but some remain unconvinced even today.
NYS's interpretation of the 2nd amendment is criminal, but until the day of victory..don't be that guy.
Wearing a spaghetti collander as a sovereign citizen's "basic right" for ID photos , and ignoring the pledge as receited by students everywhere and the military, is just so much NFL National Anthem knee bending....means nothing, but the laws are clear, and ID photos are not going away.
IN FACT 47 of 47 Euro countries require photo id and many more, like all arab countries, South and Central America, Australia.
Voter ID laws are the norm in Europe - Washington Examiner
On Monday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a case related to a North Carolina voter ID law.The case, Berger v. North Carolina State Conference of the NAACP, will determine whether or not state officials can intervene to defend a state's voter ID requirement in constitutional challenges...
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Now for the coup d gras;
Can a Muslim Wear a Religious Veil in an ID Photo?
Policies of the U.S. government and most states allow for hair coverings in ID photos if there are religious reasons, but not face veils.
I don't know why commonly known facts, are shitcanned in favor of inaccurate, uninformed personal opinions. Read a bit and research the net ............
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but a photo ID is Racist for Voting per the Democrats in Charge ...
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A viral Facebook post reported a veteran who insisted on wearing a USMC hat for his driver's license photo after seeing Sikhs being posing in turbans.
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spat
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So, what acts of individual citizens exactly did the constitution authorize the federal government to regulate that the articles of confederation did not ?
The failure of the AofC was due to the federal government's inability to regulate *the states* and had nothing whatsoever to do with any regulation of the people.
Prior to the Civil War, the federal government barely had any regulatory power at all that any normal citizen would encounter.
Even well into the 20th century, most people never encountered any federal regulations that would affect them.
So, up until prohibition the feds were basically irrelevant to most people.
I'm generally libertarian, but recognize that anarchy is utterly unstable, so *some* regulations are necessary.
But, we have proven that a miniscule federal government works just fine. We survived with one for a century and a half.
Roll the feds back to where they were in 1900. You can't possibly argue that "society would collapse into chaos" with that level of regulation.
pjzwtl
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Ahh another strong NYS 2A supporter… sad
Ronald Reagan said it best..."I am the Gov't, and I am here to help."
I agree that the least amt of gov't is best, but without the Interstate Highway System, Airports, air travel, trains, the Postal Service, public education, the Military.......etc..we need a structure..stopping the Commies, CCP, and Greenies should be the priority.
Photo ID helps us ID the illegals and terrorists.
Photo ID is here, and like the rest of the world, should be the law here.......when it comes to voting..once...Credit card's are almost instant like voting should be...lets disqualify any absentee voting, and see what the real vote will be.
Schumer and Obama do not want in person ID voting because over 50% would vote against their coup d etat election fraud.
Biden and Hochul are criminals.
Collander head may be a democrat.
I agree that the least amt of gov't is best, but without the Interstate Highway System, Airports, air travel, trains, the Postal Service, public education, the Military.......etc..we need a structure..stopping the Commies, CCP, and Greenies should be the priority.
Photo ID helps us ID the illegals and terrorists.
Photo ID is here, and like the rest of the world, should be the law here.......when it comes to voting..once...Credit card's are almost instant like voting should be...lets disqualify any absentee voting, and see what the real vote will be.
Schumer and Obama do not want in person ID voting because over 50% would vote against their coup d etat election fraud.
Biden and Hochul are criminals.
Collander head may be a democrat.
Uninformed and Compliant
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None of those things require government.
Uninformed for sure.
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"The Social Contract" is what all people are bound by, since the fall of the monarchies.
BOUND. No Sovereign citizens exist legally, free from all laws and rules except the real libertarians the BLM and MS13 gangs.
Your forebears sold you ass down the river when they ratified he US Constitution.
The Interstate System is legal and was developed during the Eisenhower Administration as the National Defense Highway System...modeled after the German autobahns.
Otherwise toll roads..Turnpikes and plank roads run by criminal Libertarians for profit would be the result, as would be tarriffs to cross a state boundary. Same with the mails, and Interstate Commerce would grind to a halt at state lines..
It is too big a deal for libertarians to run for sure.
The Social Contract and Philosophy | Britannica
What, if anything, justifies the authority of the state? What are the proper limits of state power? Under what circumstances, if any, is it morally right to overthrow a state? Within Western political philosophy, one of the most influential approaches to such questions asserts that the state...
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"The Social Contract" is what all people are bound by, since the fall of the monarchies.
BOUND. No Sovereign citizens exist legally, free from all laws and rules except the real libertarians the BLM and MS13 gangs.
Your forebears sold you ass down the river when they ratified he US Constitution.
The Interstate System is legal and was developed during the Eisenhower Administration as the National Defense Highway System...modeled after the German autobahns.
Otherwise toll roads..Turnpikes and plank roads run by criminal Libertarians for profit would be the result, as would be tarriffs to cross a state boundary. Same with the mails, and Interstate Commerce would grind to a halt at state lines..
It is too big a deal for libertarians to run for sure.
This entire argument is moot because only certain people are required to get ID.
you don't need to prove who you are to vote!!!!
There's really no point to claim some type of "need" or "greater good" to have facial ID when it's not required or enforced for the most basic right of being a united states citizen.
Having to prove who you are is racist.
Uninformed and Compliant
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Muh social contract, rofl. Right. Which one? The one at Kiryas Joel? Or the one at Islamberg. Or maybe Chicago? All these contracts we've signed, it's hard to keep track!Uninformed for sure.
The Social Contract and Philosophy | Britannica
What, if anything, justifies the authority of the state? What are the proper limits of state power? Under what circumstances, if any, is it morally right to overthrow a state? Within Western political philosophy, one of the most influential approaches to such questions asserts that the state...
"The Social Contract" is what all people are bound by, since the fall of the monarchies.
BOUND. No Sovereign citizens exist legally, free from all laws and rules except the real libertarians the BLM and MS13 gangs.
Your forebears sold you ass down the river when they ratified he US Constitution.
The Interstate System is legal and was developed during the Eisenhower Administration as the National Defense Highway System...modeled after the German autobahns.
Otherwise toll roads..Turnpikes and plank roads run by criminal Libertarians for profit would be the result, as would be tarriffs to cross a state boundary. Same with the mails, and Interstate Commerce would grind to a halt at state lines..
It is too big a deal for libertarians to run for sure.
Perhaps if one wasn't merely reciting a bunch of talking points, one might realize that the proper term to use is, "compact". But you didn't. You're just reciting. "The Interstate System is legal and" Legal? Don't be so angry when you copy/paste. It leads to non-sequitur.
It is terrifying that commerce would grind to a halt if we had to pay per-mile tolls on private roads. Thank God there aren't any taxes on gasoline or diesel that would do exactly that, as it'd be a catastrophe. At least now I understand that such taxes do not exist, because commerce has not ground to a halt. And tolls! Can you imagine? Paying per-mile tolls on private roads? While paying per-mile taxes on those private toll roads? All commerce would stop, just like you said! It'd be nothing but feral anarchy, with roadway owners arbitrarily jacking prices to pay for the road upkeep, when the road's upkeep is already covered a dozen times over! Thank God you've pointed out that that Government precludes that exact scenario.
I am grateful to learn that before Federal government, it was impossible to travel from one colony or state to another. And without Federal government, there'd be no way for MidwayUSA to ship anything to my house. In fact, before the Federal government, trains were impossible, as was shipping anything, anywhere on those privately owned railways that could not exist.
Luckily, I'm all straightened out, now! Thanks!
pjzwtl
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Interesting point of fact the Bear Mtn Bridge and the goat trail were originally built by private enterprise.
spat
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The US had a public education system as good as anyplace in the world. Then the federal department of education was established and things went rapidly downhill.
Virtually all the important government services are provided by local government (most roads, fire, police, etc...)
Virtually all the tax money is paid to the federal government.
You could eliminate 90% of the federal government, and redirect 10% of that tax money to the locals and things would be 100% better.
The state is incapable of fixing the roads without $$$ Federal help...usually 90/10 on 4 lane highways.........Even counties and Cities get Fed highway monies to improve traffic flow........except the T-way which hordes the cash but which still received Fed money regularly
www.governor.ny.gov
Who give $$ to the States and Counties for Medicaid and welfare?
The Dept of Education regularly gives money to NYS schools and Fed aid for College has been of long standing for decades. Fire depts receive fed aid as first responders from the DHS.
We need a Military and have since the War of 1812.
The Social Contract is real....the legal system is based upon it, as is all levels of Government, and has been for hundreds of years.
Voter ID states:
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The OP was about photo id with a spaghetti collander as a religious headress.... that argument is over; not allowed by clear Court decision. but then the guy is unread and uniformed or a Libertarian.
Debating the legitimacy of the BOR and US Constitution today, by Libertarians pissed off by the entire idea of it, at all, restricting their behavior, and who refute the Fed God, is just pointless, as the Fed God is here to stay, with a bit of reforming, hopefully.
If you use a mailbox or 4 lane highway, and buy groceries that came by Truck, thank the Fed Gov't for that.
Governor Hochul Announces Thruway Authority Selected for $21 Million Federal Grant to Restore the Castleton-on-Hudson Bridge
Governor Hochul announced that the New York State Thruway Authority has been selected for a $21 million federal grant, as part of the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration Bridge Investment Program, to support the restoration of the Castleton-on-Hudson Bridge on the...
Who give $$ to the States and Counties for Medicaid and welfare?
The Dept of Education regularly gives money to NYS schools and Fed aid for College has been of long standing for decades. Fire depts receive fed aid as first responders from the DHS.
We need a Military and have since the War of 1812.
The Social Contract is real....the legal system is based upon it, as is all levels of Government, and has been for hundreds of years.
Voter ID states:
Voter identification laws by state
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
The OP was about photo id with a spaghetti collander as a religious headress.... that argument is over; not allowed by clear Court decision. but then the guy is unread and uniformed or a Libertarian.
Debating the legitimacy of the BOR and US Constitution today, by Libertarians pissed off by the entire idea of it, at all, restricting their behavior, and who refute the Fed God, is just pointless, as the Fed God is here to stay, with a bit of reforming, hopefully.
If you use a mailbox or 4 lane highway, and buy groceries that came by Truck, thank the Fed Gov't for that.
Bustedknees
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Let this happen and Tom Cruise will want a carry permit too,, and he's over the rainbow crazy.
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the Pony Express was more efficient
... there was no junk mail back then
and they didn't xray or limit your mail for shipping 2A items
LOL ..
I have told the local post office many times .. i do not want junk mail ....
if it does not have my name on it . do not put it the box ..
got the "to box holder" penny saver AGAIN this week ..
Pony express was not more efficient and as a former horse owner, that's a fact jack, aside from injuns.
I get many normal items that have obviously been opened up and resealed, some I send to myself like Limburger cheese...hahaha. Pa has the best!!!
I also get, and have gotten many legal 2nd amednment items in the last year like stripped uppers, bolts, lR parts, triggers, stocks, small gun items.......mag loaders, and up to recently, ammo......... who gives a shit? It takes time to do this stuff, to no end, and the main core list is who they check.
en.wikipedia.org
We are all on it, as suspected Jan 6 supporters.
I get many normal items that have obviously been opened up and resealed, some I send to myself like Limburger cheese...hahaha. Pa has the best!!!
I also get, and have gotten many legal 2nd amednment items in the last year like stripped uppers, bolts, lR parts, triggers, stocks, small gun items.......mag loaders, and up to recently, ammo......... who gives a shit? It takes time to do this stuff, to no end, and the main core list is who they check.
Main Core - Wikipedia
We are all on it, as suspected Jan 6 supporters.
spat
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So, why are we paying cash to the federal government, just so they can siphon half of it off, attach some strings, and then give it back to the locals to provide us services?The state is incapable of fixing the roads without $$$ Federal help...usually 90/10 on 4 lane highways.........Even counties and Cities get Fed highway monies to improve traffic flow........except the T-way which hordes the cash but which still received Fed money regularly
Governor Hochul Announces Thruway Authority Selected for $21 Million Federal Grant to Restore the Castleton-on-Hudson Bridge
Governor Hochul announced that the New York State Thruway Authority has been selected for a $21 million federal grant, as part of the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration Bridge Investment Program, to support the restoration of the Castleton-on-Hudson Bridge on the...
Who give $$ to the States and Counties for Medicaid and welfare?
The Dept of Education regularly gives money to NYS schools and Fed aid for College has been of long standing for decades. Fire depts receive fed aid as first responders from the DHS.
We need a Military and have since the War of 1812.
The Social Contract is real....the legal system is based upon it, as is all levels of Government, and has been for hundreds of years.
Voter ID states:
TVoter identification laws by state
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
The OP was about photo id with a spaghetti collander as a religious headress.... that argument is over; not allowed by clear Court decision. but then the guy is unread and uniformed or a Libertarian.
Debating the legitimacy of the BOR and US Constitution today, by Libertarians pissed off by the entire idea of it, at all, restricting their behavior, and who refute the Fed God, is just pointless, as the Fed God is here to stay, with a bit of reforming, hopefully.
If you use a mailbox or 4 lane highway, and buy groceries that came by Truck, thank the Fed Gov't for that.
Wouldn't we be far better off just paying more local taxes and cutting the feds out as middlemen ?
Uninformed and Compliant
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Abstractions like that tend to escape some people, and no amount of dialog will make them smart enough to comprehend it.
repete
.338 Win Mag
It is rumored that in some southern tier counties that When Amish folks apply for a pistol permit the picture is of a sign that say's "AMISH". So if true how does that fit into your facial theory?
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i bet a dozen donuts i can go the town airport here and go on a airplane ride with no ID needed
prolly could even charter a plane for a trip to another towns airport for lunch and then fly back
there is no TSA there ... LOL ..
prolly could even charter a plane for a trip to another towns airport for lunch and then fly back
there is no TSA there ... LOL ..