Here is a TABOO Topic - Can Mentally Handicapped vote ?

[CaseHardened]

Some would say that, obviously, the Mentally Handicapped should have no right to vote.

Sounds cool, until you realize the average IQ is 100.

Yes, 100 is NOT stupid. It is simply average. By definition.

It can be extremely difficult to discern that any person as low as 80, actually functions at a higher or lower level than a person at 120.

Moreover, most IQ tests are bullshit. They rely not on actual competence, but on SPELLING.

So .... what have you ?

 

[spat]

I am not a big fan of universal suffrage.

I would not be in favor of an IQ requirement or anything like that, but I do think we would be way better off with way fewer people voting.

 

[spat]

Also, on the topic of general intelligence, Jordan Peterson has some interesting observations.

Basically we have progressed technologically to a point where jobs for dumb people are cheaper and easier to automate.

There are no elevator operators anymore, most manual labor jobs have been replaced by equipment operators, etc...

We are getting to a place where we have a lot of people who are not smart enough to do any of the remaining jobs.

This is just going to get worse too. Even jobs requiring average or even slightly above average intelligence are going to go away soon. Self driving vehicles are going to be a game changer that will eliminate major sectors of the economy for instance.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Some would say that, obviously, RETARDS should have no right to vote.

Sounds cool, until you realize the average IQ is 100.

Yes, 100 is NOT stupid. It is simply average. By definition.

It can be extremely difficult to discern that any person as low as 80, actually functions at a higher or lower level than a person at 120.

Moreover, most IQ tests are bullshit. They rely not on actual competence, but on SPELLING.

So .... what have you ?

What do I think?

I think that you have repeatedly castigated people on this forum for using the term "retard." Now its OK. Why is that?

 

[GOYABEAN]

Some would say that, obviously, RETARDS should have no right to vote.

Sounds cool, until you realize the average IQ is 100.

Yes, 100 is NOT stupid. It is simply average. By definition.

It can be extremely difficult to discern that any person as low as 80, actually functions at a higher or lower level than a person at 120.

Moreover, most IQ tests are bullshit. They rely not on actual competence, but on SPELLING.

So .... what have you ?

in a country where dead people can and will

 

[CaseHardened]

What do I think?

I think that you have repeatedly castigated people on this forum for using the term "retard." Now its OK. Why is that?

Because - I am looking for actual opinions.

Obviously people of extremely diminished mental capacity should not be allowed to vote (Joe Biden).

Nor - should - perhaps - drug addicts.

So ... my solution would be that anyone who can show up on election day, and follow the rules, vote, and be allowed to do so, should.

 

[CaseHardened]

What do I think?

I think that you have repeatedly castigated people on this forum for using the term "retard." Now its OK. Why is that?

Actually, I have consistently represented my dislike of the term RETARD.

As members of my close family, would qualify, it would never be otherwise.

Still, I really do not know how to deal with voters who refuse to be knowledgable.

 

[Toecutter]

Absolutely yes they are citizens.

 

[tapper3]

Absolutely!!!!!! I am not just a retard, I am a "fucking retard" and have the paperwork to prove it.

I was declared so on July 3, 2019 by an anonymous neighbor who, apparently, was annoyed by some noise I had made on my home range and left a note to that effect in my mailbox.

So, yes, retards can vote........... I did so yesterday.

 

[Deplorable Me]

They even get elected.

 

[spat]

Absolutely!!!!!! I am not just a retard, I am a "fucking retard" and have the paperwork to prove it.

I was declared so on July 3, 2019 by an anonymous neighbor who, apparently, was annoyed by some noise I had made on my home range and left a note to that effect in my mailbox.

So, yes, retards can vote........... I did so yesterday.

Well, apparently, while you may suffer from lack of mental acuity, at least you're not celebate.

 

[dsdmmat]

Well people who think socialism is a good idea Vote so there is your answer.

 

[Cavalry]

I worked with the retarded population for a couple years. Yes they do vote, I was always disgusted by that idea. We are not just talking about goofy Jimmy who always wants to show you the same magic trick, but non ambulatory, non verbal, unable to care for themselves in any manner, igloo temperature IQ voters.
In reality the group of 10 or so retarded people would be "supported" by 2-8 staff. To vote you took them in the booth and let them "choose" who "they wanted". So yes, its possible for one person to get 11 votes.
With the higher functioning (the goofy jimmy's) it would be as easy as saying. "Jimmy, You are going to vote for X or no more rainbow ice cream"

 

[togmaster]

Democrats do all the time. What's your point?

 

[Catskillkid]

My personal opinion has been for some time now that voting age should probably be raised again to 21 (perhaps higher). Furthermore, unless you own property or are a military veteran you should not be allowed to vote. If you pay nothing in taxes or take anything from welfare you also should not be allowed to vote.

 

[soylentBlue]

My personal opinion has been for some time now that voting age should probably be raised again to 21 (perhaps higher). Furthermore, unless you own property or are a military veteran you should not be allowed to vote. If you pay nothing in taxes or take anything from welfare you also should not be allowed to vote.

I agree that only those that pay taxes should vote.

 

[fresch]

My personal opinion has been for some time now that voting age should probably be raised again to 21 (perhaps higher). Furthermore, unless you own property or are a military veteran you should not be allowed to vote. If you pay nothing in taxes or take anything from welfare you also should not be allowed to vote.

You know renters are paying tax in the rent payment?

 

[tapper3]

With age comes the ability to say, "Maybe I'm old fashioned but......"

I think absentee voting should be limited to those members of the military or government employees serving outside CONUS. They have no choice as to being out of the country. If you are a civilian and choose to be working in Dubai or vacationing in Bali, sorry, you forgo your vote.

Vote.........
#1) In person,
#2) At a designated polling place (can be early if your state allows that),
#3) With proper ID showing you are a US citizen eligible to vote.

It does not have to be complicated. When someone seeks to complicate a simple task it usually means they seek some sort of advantage by doing so. Anyone claiming the USPS can be responsible for ballots electing the President of the United States is full of shit.

 

[Catskillkid]

You know renters are paying tax in the rent payment?

Indirectly, yes they are. I personally believe that people need real "skin-in-the-game" so to speak and not getting that personal property tax bill really makes people disregard the cost of government. They pin their frustrations on their landlords, which is the wrong attitude to have. Look at the pandemic. In NYS at least there has been universal deferment of rent and evictions to a time to be determined but yet there has been absolutely no relief for landowners or property tax payers. They are still expected to pay their taxes on time. A tenant, and I'm not even kidding on this, can claim that they have a hardship due to COVID, not provide any proof, and remain in their apartment/house/rented space/what have you indefinitely and there's not a thing anyone can do about it.

My personal belief based on observation is that most renters (not all mind you) don't have an "ownership mentality" for lack of a better phrase. They don't care nearly as much about their surroundings because they don't own it. Many people feel they are "owed" something simply because they exist. It's really no surprise that the rise of the liberal progressive mentality that is anti-constitutional arises in the major cities where most residents are renters. This is why I believe that only those who own real estate should be allowed to vote. That's how it was in the beginnings of this country. Yes, it would disenfranchise many but I think we'd be better off overall because of it.

 

[ProgSpear]

My personal opinion has been for some time now that voting age should probably be raised again to 21 (perhaps higher). Furthermore, unless you own property or are a military veteran you should not be allowed to vote. If you pay nothing in taxes or take anything from welfare you also should not be allowed to vote.

Heinlein Rule.

 

[fresch]

https://campbellmgold.co.uk/archive_esoteric/morons_imbeciles_idiots.pdf

 

[Cavalry]

My personal opinion has been for some time now that voting age should probably be raised again to 21 (perhaps higher). Furthermore, unless you own property or are a military veteran you should not be allowed to vote. If you pay nothing in taxes or take anything from welfare you also should not be allowed to vote.

I understand where you are coming from with this thought but what about someone who owned property and was a productive member of society for 40 years then decided to sell everything and live off their life savings, living within their means as a renter? I use to have rental properties, this happened all the time with pre-retirees, especially widows.

 

[BDinPutnam]

With age comes the ability to say, "Maybe I'm old fashioned but......"

I think absentee voting should be limited to those members of the military or government employees serving outside CONUS. They have no choice as to being out of the country. If you are a civilian and choose to be working in Dubai or vacationing in Bali, sorry, you forgo your vote.

Vote.........
#1) In person,
#2) At a designated polling place (can be early if your state allows that),
#3) With proper ID showing you are a US citizen eligible to vote.

It does not have to be complicated. When someone seeks to complicate a simple task it usually means they seek some sort of advantage by doing so. Anyone claiming the USPS can be responsible for ballots electing the President of the United States is full of shit.

So disenfranchise elderly shutins and the disabled.

Got it.

 

[Catskillkid]

I understand where you are coming from with this thought but what about someone who owned property and was a productive member of society for 40 years then decided to sell everything and live off their life savings, living within their means as a renter? I use to have rental properties, this happened all the time with pre-retirees, especially widows.

It's problematic for sure. Perhaps when you start collecting Social Security the rule on property ownership becomes void.

 

[dsdmmat]

The easy way to do this is to set up the tax code so everyone pays something. get rid of the progressive tax system and go with a flat tax on each head. Everyone pays X dollars whether they work or not. Then everyone has skin in the game.

 

[tapper3]

So disenfranchise elderly shutins and the disabled.

Got it.

Ah, we always have to have carved out exceptions, don't we? And how do we identify those with genuine disabilities versus the just plain lazy & averse to inconvenience? Where do we strike the balance? Or do we even try?

Maybe we just say "Piss on it. Anyone, citizen of this country or not, can vote any time they feel like it in any manner that they want and we will count their vote even if there is no proof that they should even be voting......... or even exist"?

Oh, wait, I think that's the point we are at right now.

Hell, even 3rd world countries that have their voters dip their finger into the inkwell have a more secure system than we do.

 

[Blimey]

I don't think land owners necessarily but definitely would support increasing voting age. I also have long thought we need some basic qualification to vote. It could be as simple as a quick test you take to prove you're not a total moron and you actually have some idea. It's difficult to implement, but there are too many people who do not give one iota of thought to their vote and we all have to live with the consequence.

 

[tirwin1]

Also, on the topic of general intelligence, Jordan Peterson has some interesting observations.

Basically we have progressed technologically to a point where jobs for dumb people are cheaper and easier to automate.

There are no elevator operators anymore, most manual labor jobs have been replaced by equipment operators, etc...

We are getting to a place where we have a lot of people who are not smart enough to do any of the remaining jobs.

This is just going to get worse too. Even jobs requiring average or even slightly above average intelligence are going to go away soon. Self driving vehicles are going to be a game changer that will eliminate major sectors of the economy for instance.

I remember watching that a year or so ago. That is one thought provoking video. What happens when the world becomes so technically complicated that 10-20% of the population will have difficulty finding employment? Looks like the welfare state is here to stay.

 

[Toecutter]

I'll make jokes about people and use off color words all the time in private, but on a public forum having RETARDS in a thread title isn't a good look. Not saying to have a mod or admin change it, Im saying it would be nice for the OP to change the word .

 

[fresch]

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