Here is a TABOO Topic - Can Mentally Handicapped vote ?

[Catskillkid]

I remember watching that a year or so ago. That is one thought provoking video. What happens when the world becomes so technically complicated that 10-20% of the population will have difficulty finding employment? Looks like the welfare state is here to stay.

Peterson has a lot of really great vids on lots of topics. And the future you speak of is frankly here already. Even people who I and most would consider reasonably intelligent are seeing their jobs outsourced and automated out of existence. One of the reasons that a UBI is so often pushed.

 

[fresch]

What jobs are those?

 

[spat]

I remember watching that a year or so ago. That is one thought provoking video. What happens when the world becomes so technically complicated that 10-20% of the population will have difficulty finding employment? Looks like the welfare state is here to stay.

We're past that point now.

We're headed to a place where 50% of the world can't do *any* job better than a computer, maybe within the decade.

AI is now at the point where even intellectual jobs aren't safe.

Minimum wage laws and the like don't help. Without minimum wage laws we might still have elevator operators.

 

[spat]

What jobs are those?

Next big batch on the chopping block will be drivers (of all stripes, CDL, pizza delivery guy, uber/taxi, etc...)

Drones and self driving vehicles will make them as obsolete as blockbuster video clerks.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

can vote and be the speaker of the house..works for the dems

 

[Darth]

The easy way to do this is to set up the tax code so everyone pays something. get rid of the progressive tax system and go with a flat tax on each head. Everyone pays X dollars whether they work or not. Then everyone has skin in the game.

Get rid of tax.

 

[dsdmmat]

Get rid of tax.

Yeah that works too.

 

[CaseHardened]

I'll make jokes about people and use off color words all the time in private, but on a public forum having RETARDS in a thread title isn't a good look. Not saying to have a mod or admin change it, Im saying it would be nice for the OP to change the word .

Agreed.

Was looking for shock value, but still is out of place.

 

[SonOfSun]

Also, on the topic of general intelligence, Jordan Peterson has some interesting observations.

Basically we have progressed technologically to a point where jobs for dumb people are cheaper and easier to automate.

There are no elevator operators anymore, most manual labor jobs have been replaced by equipment operators, etc...

We are getting to a place where we have a lot of people who are not smart enough to do any of the remaining jobs.

This is just going to get worse too. Even jobs requiring average or even slightly above average intelligence are going to go away soon. Self driving vehicles are going to be a game changer that will eliminate major sectors of the economy for instance.

And the problem with that is?

Businesses don't owe you a job. Compete or die, just like businesses need to.

 

[spat]

And the problem with that is?

Businesses don't owe you a job. Compete or die, just like businesses need to.

I completely agree with you about nobody owing you anything.

But that doesn't change the fact that having half the population unable to contribute in a meaningful way to society is a recipe for disaster.

 

[meketrefe]

Some would say that, obviously, the Mentally Handicapped should have no right to vote.

Sounds cool, until you realize the average IQ is 100.

Yes, 100 is NOT stupid. It is simply average. By definition.

It can be extremely difficult to discern that any person as low as 80, actually functions at a higher or lower level than a person at 120.

Moreover, most IQ tests are bullshit. They rely not on actual competence, but on SPELLING.

So .... what have you ?

Define mentally handicapped. I have one of my kids in the spectrum and he would most likely beat anyone here at math, science, history, politics and possibly debate and in 3 different languages if necessary.

However I think for a person in order to vote they should pass a minimum civil and aptitude test. A huge % would not pass it independently of political affiliation.

Imagine if critical thinking and general education became the next big thing.

What would politicians do w/o the ignorant?

 

[spat]

Heinlein Rule.

Service guarantees citizenship....

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Some would say that, obviously, the Mentally Handicapped should have no right to vote.

Sounds cool, until you realize the average IQ is 100.

Yes, 100 is NOT stupid. It is simply average. By definition.

It can be extremely difficult to discern that any person as low as 80, actually functions at a higher or lower level than a person at 120.

Moreover, most IQ tests are bullshit. They rely not on actual competence, but on SPELLING.

So .... what have you ?

Based on the most recent election results it would appear that near half the country proves this concept to not only be possible, but likely.