Hey TRUMP - it ain't NEGOTIATING if you get NOTHING BACK !!!!
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Hey, I'm in Mass.
Where the leading Gun Forum NorthEastShooters.Com will ban you in heartbeat if you...
Post any pic of a woman in a Bikini.
Post anything that is in the least way derogatory to the Religion Of Peace.
(I've been permanently banned so many times I've lost count)
AND...
Mass is the only State that BANS any form of AR15.
We also have ... choke ... a REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR.
NY Chamorro
.357 mag
i hear ya on that
Joe Blow
.45 acp
And that's pretty sad...
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I know. Believe me, I know.
M_F
.45 acp
He is the only bet until 2020 or 2024. Anybody other than killary had to win. Remember there will never be a democrat running for POTUS on a pro 2A platform. Trump already caved to accessories (bump stocks) with nothing in return. What else will he sacrifice?
Will he be another RINO Rick Scott?
M_F
.45 acp
Let's say I have this cake. It is a very nice cake, with "GUN RIGHTS" written across the top in lovely floral icing. I received it from the 2nd amendment and the Dick act of 1902.
Along you come and say, "Give me that cake." I say, "No, it's my cake." You say, "Let's compromise. Give me half." I respond by asking what I get out of this compromise, and you reply that I get to keep half of my cake.
Okay, we compromise. Let us call this compromise The National Firearms Act of 1934.
There I am with my half of the cake, and you walk back up and say, "Give me that cake."
I say, "No, it's my cake."
You say, "Let's compromise." What do I get out of this compromise? Why, I get to keep half of what's left of the cake I already own.
So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- and I'm left holding what is now just a quarter of my cake.
And I'm sitting in the corner with my quarter piece of cake, and here you come again. You want my cake. Again.
You say, "Let's compromise once more." What do I get out of this compromise? I get to keep one eighth of what's left of the cake I already own?
So, we have your compromise -- let us call this one the Machine gun ban of 1986 -- and I'm left holding what is now just an eighth of my cake.
I sit back in the corner with just my eighth of cake that I once owned outright and completely, I glance up and here you come once more.
You say nothing and just grab my cake; This time you take several bites -- we'll call this compromise the Clinton Executive Orders -- and I'm left with about a tenth of what has always been MY DAMN CAKE and you've got nine-tenths of it.
Then we compromised with the Lautenberg Act (nibble, nibble), the HUD/Smith and Wesson agreement (nibble, nibble), the Brady Law (NOM NOM NOM), the School Safety and Law Enforcement Improvement Act (sweet tap-dancing Freyja, my finger!)
I'm left holding crumbs of what was once a large and satisfying cake, and you're standing there with most of MY CAKE, making anime eyes and whining about being "reasonable", and wondering "why we won't compromise".
I'm done with being reasonable, and I'm done with compromise. Nothing about gun control in this country has ever been "reasonable" nor a genuine "compromise".
Way too many "Pro 2A" folks are unaware of how many rights we have already lost. Much to it with the "blessings" of the NRA.
How is mentioning that when Trump was a Democrat (and also very good friends with the Clintons) he in his own words said he supported assault weapon bans "Trump bashing"
And hell he never became really "pro 2a" until he became a "republican" just before the campaign trail
Oh and being critical of the president is 100% ok, especially when he is trying to strip Americans of constitutinal rights
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Guys, I would tell you , go see how Trump negotiates his deals. Not all in the most honorable ways but he uses certain tactics.
He did something that real estate people do. Agreed with the price, gets to the closing after all the work and things like lawyers, inspections, etc are done, and then asks for more money just before the deal is to be signed.
There is a reason the NRA after their meeting weren’t upset. Trump knew as well as most of us that the age increase was not going to pass Congress. Bump stocks should have been negotiated but I can tell you that it would not have flown.Fix-NICS if done right is something we want. IF DONE RIGHT. I do believe the gun control people are just waiting for another Parkland (even if their policies helped leave a psycho on the street) because it’s the political aftermath of such an event that gets their agenda to pass. A true NICS system would reduce their political ability do so if the gun was obtained by illegal means rather than a crack in the system.
Trump played rope a dope with the democrats and the press and waited for the fires to die down before announcing the age thing wasn’t going to happen.
Trump knows his base would never go for it. He knows if he loses the gun vote, he’s done.
Imagine if the republicans pick up enough votes in the senate to pass a reciprocity bill( the current one with non resident permits will be tough to pass), in the 2018 elections. Trump will sign it. If not for himself but for his sons.
He did something that real estate people do. Agreed with the price, gets to the closing after all the work and things like lawyers, inspections, etc are done, and then asks for more money just before the deal is to be signed.
There is a reason the NRA after their meeting weren’t upset. Trump knew as well as most of us that the age increase was not going to pass Congress. Bump stocks should have been negotiated but I can tell you that it would not have flown.Fix-NICS if done right is something we want. IF DONE RIGHT. I do believe the gun control people are just waiting for another Parkland (even if their policies helped leave a psycho on the street) because it’s the political aftermath of such an event that gets their agenda to pass. A true NICS system would reduce their political ability do so if the gun was obtained by illegal means rather than a crack in the system.
Trump played rope a dope with the democrats and the press and waited for the fires to die down before announcing the age thing wasn’t going to happen.
Trump knows his base would never go for it. He knows if he loses the gun vote, he’s done.
Imagine if the republicans pick up enough votes in the senate to pass a reciprocity bill( the current one with non resident permits will be tough to pass), in the 2018 elections. Trump will sign it. If not for himself but for his sons.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
At first I was pissed off as hell, Then I thought about it a bit , Hes giving them everything they ask for. Now either hes a two face or hes smarter than your average bear. Let s wait and see. Coming from a guy who is supposed to be a master negotiator , I find it a bit difficult to swallow that he is just going to hand over everything they want.
Its like Judo , if the guy pushes you , you don't push back, you pull him toward you and he ends up on his ass . This is what I think he is doing , hes not pushing back hes pulling . and when they try to pass it they are going get slammed on the pavement by their own momentum. to much force, not enough balance.
Its like Judo , if the guy pushes you , you don't push back, you pull him toward you and he ends up on his ass . This is what I think he is doing , hes not pushing back hes pulling . and when they try to pass it they are going get slammed on the pavement by their own momentum. to much force, not enough balance.