Saiga Sporters can be had for $700-$800. Maybe they are more in NY.
How Come No American Made SKS?
- Thread starter Marine Cpl
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It's a shame to see a 300-500 gun going for those prices but yea you can occasionally stumble across one for sale around 800 but most people are now looking to get 1000.
SuffolkArms
.40 S&W
Saiga UNCONVERTED Rifle 7.62x39 Izhmash - Semi Auto Rifles at GunBroker.com : 809495143 $675 BIN! Somebody buy it before I do, I paid ~$800 for mine all said and done (FFL/Shipping) a few months back. I think commie weapon prices are starting to fall since everyone seems to just be stocking up on ARs.
A big problem with most unconverted Saigas I find is that they always include >10 round magazines and random non-compliant doodads which raises the price considerably. This one includes a 10 round mag which is convenient for us in NY.
nyenthusiast
.38 Special
I don’t disagree with the idea that a rifle with a removable magazine is a better option for most practical applications. However, in NY fixed mag is the only way to retain the features many people want without going to a manually cycled weapon. Given that fact, it does make sense to optimize that configuration as much as possible.
You wont be seeking Saigas fall, and that is not BNIN it was shot "a few times" and I'd be worried about how they mounted that airsoft red dot on the dust cover (easy fix) but again saigas are never coming back into the country so the prices will never be great again
SuffolkArms
.40 S&W
It's true I agree. NIB Saigas are most assuredly over 1000, I was speaking of the used market.
It's a shame they don't keep these in stock. But I understand why.
And its not a bad price from one of the top AK companies in the US....
1,000 monies
Sporter Hunter AK - Forged Romanian Parts - CHF 7.62x39 Barrel CA/NY
Honestly for what it is, the red head is pretty nice looking
And its not a bad price from one of the top AK companies in the US....
1,000 monies
Sporter Hunter AK - Forged Romanian Parts - CHF 7.62x39 Barrel CA/NY
Honestly for what it is, the red head is pretty nice looking
Well NIB is still going to be on the used market, by this point any retailers who havent already sold out their stock pile is most certainly on their last few guns
nyenthusiast
.38 Special
If I could find one of these in stock locally it would be on my short list. Not the cheapest option, but certainly well built ak’s.
There was one in SPAR firearms a few weeks ago. $700. The catch? SPAR is in Mechanicsburg PA.
Depending on location. that could be worth a trip from NY for someone
If anyone does go all the goodies on the walls will have em hating life. They might have an RDB-C though. They have lots of KelTec stuff
Yea I live 15 min from PA and used to stop off at the local gun store just to drool lmao it really hurts sometimes
Trek down to SPAR you won't regret it.
Jeebus, don't do that. I was eating.
But an apt description of the Mini 14.
Good one.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The reason why I liked the SKS was the magazine system. It was fixed but useful. If you wanted to drop the rounds because you were done or you had a malfunction, you just released the trap door unlike an AR fixed mag system. Because it was fixed, you can put a more ergonomic stock on it. You could make it a folder if you wanted. You could add the newest muzzle brake or compensator if you wanted.
A Mini with a Stripper clip guide doesn't solve the fixed mag problem. A VZ-58 doesn't solve the fixed mag problem. A Mini or Ares/ Fightlite featureless doesn't solve the long stock problem.
What I want and think would be a hit in banned states is some type of gun that uses an SKS type fixed magazine system. One that could have a folding or adjustable stock. One that could perhaps accept a 5.56 stripper clip since those don't have the rounds fall out of it like the SKS ones do.
I'm asking for a lot I guess. I guess I'll have to tool one myself.
A Mini with a Stripper clip guide doesn't solve the fixed mag problem. A VZ-58 doesn't solve the fixed mag problem. A Mini or Ares/ Fightlite featureless doesn't solve the long stock problem.
What I want and think would be a hit in banned states is some type of gun that uses an SKS type fixed magazine system. One that could have a folding or adjustable stock. One that could perhaps accept a 5.56 stripper clip since those don't have the rounds fall out of it like the SKS ones do.
I'm asking for a lot I guess. I guess I'll have to tool one myself.
Vapor
.308 Win
The Vz's literally have a fixed mag and take sks stripper clips.
The sks has a tilting bolt locking system that is chunky and and a bit slow on impulse. The firing pin can blunt, and with time and dirt, can become stuck causing slam fires. The orginal Russians had a return spring, but this a cost saving feature they and other countries dropped.
The sks, like the garand family, has an open action prone to the ingress of mud and debris. This is an inherent weakness of all open actions.
There are other limitations:
The Iron sights are so -so
No good provision for options mounting
An op rod that in of itself is a dangerous projectile ( true but also meant to be humorous
)
Generally speaking horrible triggers (exception being yugos and some russians)
Stripper clips are not the god send everyone is looki ng for either. Try carrying 3 of them in your pocket on a long hike. Your rounds will be all dumped out and you'll be back to single loading most of the time.
There is an open action semi auto that can take stripper clips and can have the mag fixed in the form of the m1a, which some would argue is also an obsolete rifle from a bygone era.
I have owned all of the major action types. The sks is mostly good for being reliable and inexpensive in comparison to better options. Other than that, it is/was my last choice for self defense or recreational shooting in my semi auto stable. I would never want to hump around and depend on stripper clips for any real life and death situation. I even find the lowly Mini to be more accurate and just as reliable. (581 series mini with the thicker barrel.)
Basically, I get what the op is saying. He wants a cheap, fixed mag system for this hell hole of a ban state. I get that. More power to you ,but its probably never happening.
The sks has a tilting bolt locking system that is chunky and and a bit slow on impulse. The firing pin can blunt, and with time and dirt, can become stuck causing slam fires. The orginal Russians had a return spring, but this a cost saving feature they and other countries dropped.
The sks, like the garand family, has an open action prone to the ingress of mud and debris. This is an inherent weakness of all open actions.
There are other limitations:
The Iron sights are so -so
No good provision for options mounting
An op rod that in of itself is a dangerous projectile ( true but also meant to be humorous
)Generally speaking horrible triggers (exception being yugos and some russians)
Stripper clips are not the god send everyone is looki ng for either. Try carrying 3 of them in your pocket on a long hike. Your rounds will be all dumped out and you'll be back to single loading most of the time.
There is an open action semi auto that can take stripper clips and can have the mag fixed in the form of the m1a, which some would argue is also an obsolete rifle from a bygone era.
I have owned all of the major action types. The sks is mostly good for being reliable and inexpensive in comparison to better options. Other than that, it is/was my last choice for self defense or recreational shooting in my semi auto stable. I would never want to hump around and depend on stripper clips for any real life and death situation. I even find the lowly Mini to be more accurate and just as reliable. (581 series mini with the thicker barrel.)
Basically, I get what the op is saying. He wants a cheap, fixed mag system for this hell hole of a ban state. I get that. More power to you ,but its probably never happening.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes. That sums it up. A fixed mag system that accepts stripper clips that can be unloaded with a trap door like an SKS magazine rather than chambering and extracting each and every round to unload it. That way you can clear malfunctions with ease and it wouldn't be just a range toy like all the fixed mag AR rifles that people have here are.
One that can be loaded quickly with stripper clips from your vest or battlebelt.
Magpul mags.
Pmag can be dumped almost as fast as an sks
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That isn't ideal. The guts have to come out of it with a standard magazine. The SKS mag keeps everything intact.
Nothing is going to be ideal. Listen you are in a ban state you will never get anything that is going to work how you think.
Just go buy an SKS, pretend that it is just as good as other options.
Again not sure why you are drooling over an SKS (again only reason why they were ever popular here in the US is because millions flooded the market and they cost literally nothing at one point, not because they are great or even good guns. Not horrible but well they aren't great) when you can own a featurless AR, what you lose a pistol grip and flash hide.... so what
So I am legit trying to figure this out, not even trying to be a dick, just looking for logic..
This is a no go because???? (Ignore the muzzle device)
This is also not a viable option????
But this is something you want companies to start making again???
Now I can understand if the reasoning is overall cost. If we are pretending SKS prices are still $200-300 or even $350. But again if this is something that you want as a for real gun not I shoot paper once or twice a quarter then sorry you are going to be spending easily $1,000 before optics..
This is a no go because???? (Ignore the muzzle device)
This is also not a viable option????
But this is something you want companies to start making again???
Now I can understand if the reasoning is overall cost. If we are pretending SKS prices are still $200-300 or even $350. But again if this is something that you want as a for real gun not I shoot paper once or twice a quarter then sorry you are going to be spending easily $1,000 before optics..
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm not saying the SKS is the bees knees or a new variant of the SKS nor any fixed mag rifle regardless if the actual fixed mag design is better than fixing a regular magazine that isn't designed to be fixed.
I'm just pointing out a hole in the market. There would be lots of people here and in 5 other states that would buy a fully featured rifle that's loaded with an AR stripper clip that's easier to carry than a magazine into a fixed magazine that operates like how the SKS magazine operates.
I had an SKS before and sold it on the other forum.
There no drooling. Why must you always take things to that level. Can I talk about guns and what I think people would buy? Damn bro. It would be nice to have something with a folding stock that's lightweight and not 40 inches long with a conventional stock.
Then get an SKS???? They are still all over the forums and what not just now at double the price they should be and still about 1/3 the price any new US production could ever be at
We posted at the same time
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Why would I get an SKS when I just pointed it out the weight and lack of attachment points?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Something like this but lightweight with ergonomic attachment points that takes 5.56 stripper clips. Ignore the Tapco mag.
You are telling me that it wouldn't be hot seller in the free states?
You are telling me that it wouldn't be hot seller in the free states?