I'm confused about Concealed Carry in NY

[DoD1776]

So I'm here cause I'm confused. Not only about my gender Because my grandfather says he has a CC but they only can carry it in their glove compartment in their car? I thought Concealed Carries are where you can carry it on your person and have it hidden, only places where you can't go with it are like schools, government property, etc.
enlighten my whipper snapperness please

 

[Doc8404]

Take him back to the home for his meds

(no disrespect intended)

 

[WileyX585]

Where does he live? Seems to me he does not know what he is talking about.

Gotta love your grandparents!

 

[DoD1776]

Where does he live? Seems to me he does not know what he is talking about.

Gotta love your grandparents!

He lives in central Square. I mean he owns a lot of guns but he seems to be wrong on a lot of things. He thought the SKS was illegal as well as the M1 Garand. He also thought u couldn't buy ammo online. I love him but I had a feeling he was wrong on this one again

 

[Jem45472]

Waiting for the concealed is concealed guys.


Some counties issue restricted permits, but technically, New York issues only concealed carry permits, which means you can carry concealed on your body other than the places you have mentioned.

Confusing? Yes.

 

[livingston]

People get confused .. I have a good friend that 6 months ago received her CC permit from Monroe county. Did not understand she could carry .. Thought it was just for in home use ....

 

[4excal]

It's probably because of the counties that sportsman/target restrictions. Meaning you're only allowed to carry to and from a range/target or hunting. It's not like those people with those restrictions are allowed to be carrying out and about in a Wendy's or every day shopping at Walmart, if that were the case they'd be unrestricted/full carry (which they're not to do their counties restrictions,but people do it by hoping they don't get caught and if they do they say they were just coming back from range). Same mishmash bullshit as some counties have certain year expiration and some have no expiration..all just to confuse ya

 

[camper4lyfe]

People get confused .. I have a good friend that 6 months ago received her CC permit from Monroe county. Did not understand she could carry .. Thought it was just for in home use ....

People like that worry me. If you don't know what you're getting into, either don't do it, or research it until you do understand.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

He lives in central Square. I mean he owns a lot of guns but he seems to be wrong on a lot of things. He thought the SKS was illegal as well as the M1 Garand. He also thought u couldn't buy ammo online. I love him but I had a feeling he was wrong on this one again

Here's the problem, the media, politicians, FUDDs etc all pump out and continously regurgitate bad and erroneous information. Its no wonder half of this state has no idea what the he'll is going on. I think some of it is incompetence and some deliberate that there is so much misinformation out there

He could take some more personal ownership of his rights and look into the laws himself and read what is written(as vague as some of it is) and not listen to Jim Bob down the road...


Just my .02cents

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Some of these same issues keep coming up again and again.

NYS issues handgun permits a few different ways, but essentially you need to have a permit in order to own a handgun (or to even touch one...). NYC is a whole different ballgame, and permits issued outside the 5 NYC counties are not valid there. Some well connected people can get a carry permit there, but most cannot. If I understand it correctly, some people are able to get a permit to have in their business, but maybe other members here that are in the know can comment further on that.

Some of us have permits that are "Unrestricted", which means that the judge who issued our permit did not place any "administrative restrictions" on it, and we can carry it wherever it is legal to do so. Generally, that excludes places like courtrooms, post offices, etc.

Others will have restrictions such as "sportsman", or "target and hunting". And of course, restrictions are a hot topic on here, as some will say that they mean nothing (and legally, that is correct, - carrying outside your restrictions is not against the law). The potential problem is if you are stopped for any reason, and the officer decides to report you to the judge for carrying outside of the restrictions, - in which case the judge can do nothing, or he can suspend, or even revoke your permit!

As for carrying in a "glove compartment", if your grandfather has a permit with "restrictions", he is at risk, because although you can transport a legally owned handgun to the range, or when going hunting, it is supposed to be unloaded, and not in reach of the occupants in the vehicle.

There was even an issue here in Erie County years ago with a judge who was granting permits with restrictions, - but was not printing them on the paper permits that people got. And when they upgraded to the newer plastic cards, -they were pissed to receive cards with the restrictions printed on them! They had been under the impression for years that they had permits with no restrictions. Thankfully, the current judge, Judge William Boller, has been reasonable about that, and has allowed those affected to apply for an upgrade to Unrestricted.

If your grandfather has an Unrestricted permit, he is free to carry it on his person, - and in fact, he might want to consider keeping it locked up in a small safe rather than in his glove compartment if he plans to just keep kit in his car. (There was a case here in NY a while back where a guy had his permit revoked for leaving his handgun in his car, unlocked, and the car was stolen.)

And if his permit has "restrictions", he may wish to rethink his choice to keep it loaded in his glove compartment as well.

Of course, YMMV!

 

[Criticalt]

Either way, leaving it in his glove compartment is a hugely bad idea. Hes one broken window from adding a murder weapon into society.
This is very simple, ask to see his permit. It will say if there are restrictions.
If he has restrictions of any sort, he could lose his permit.
If its unrestricted, it is legal to have loaded in GC but again, a bad idea.
He really needs to research this topic.
If something bad happens, he could add to the anti gun crowds argument. The antis love uninformed gun owners, they help them pass gun laws.

 

[4excal]

Some of these same issues keep coming up again and again.

NYS issues handgun permits a few different ways, but essentially you need to have a permit in order to own a handgun (or to even touch one...). NYC is a whole different ballgame, and permits issued outside the 5 NYC counties are not valid there. Some well connected people can get a carry permit there, but most cannot. If I understand it correctly, some people are able to get a permit to have in their business, but maybe other members here that are in the know can comment further on that.

Some of us have permits that are "Unrestricted", which means that the judge who issued our permit did not place any "administrative restrictions" on it, and we can carry it wherever it is legal to do so. Generally, that excludes places like courtrooms, post offices, etc.

Others will have restrictions such as "sportsman", or "target and hunting". And of course, restrictions are a hot topic on here, as some will say that they mean nothing (and legally, that is correct, - carrying outside your restrictions is not against the law). The potential problem is if you are stopped for any reason, and the officer decides to report you to the judge for carrying outside of the restrictions, - in which case the judge can do nothing, or he can suspend, or even revoke your permit!

As for carrying in a "glove compartment", if your grandfather has a permit with "restrictions", he is at risk, because although you can transport a legally owned handgun to the range, or when going hunting, it is supposed to be unloaded, and not in reach of the occupants in the vehicle.

There was even an issue here in Erie County years ago with a judge who was granting permits with restrictions, - but was not printing them on the paper permits that people got. And when they upgraded to the newer plastic cards, -they were pissed to receive cards with the restrictions printed on them! They had been under the impression for years that they had permits with no restrictions. Thankfully, the current judge, Judge William Boller, has been reasonable about that, and has allowed those affected to apply for an upgrade to Unrestricted.

If your grandfather has an Unrestricted permit, he is free to carry it on his person, - and in fact, he might want to consider keeping it locked up in a small safe rather than in his glove compartment if he plans to just keep kit in his car. (There was a case here in NY a while back where a guy had his permit revoked for leaving his handgun in his car, unlocked, and the car was stolen.)

And if his permit has "restrictions", he may wish to rethink his choice to keep it loaded in his glove compartment as well.

Of course, YMMV!

 

[SteyrAug]

1. Open carry is illegal but tolerated on ranges and hunting.

2. Concealed carry means that. If there are any restrictions they will be noted on the permit.

3. Permits issued outside NYC are not valid there.

It's not rocket science !

Tell Gramps to read what is on his permit !

 

[DoD1776]

Either way, leaving it in his glove compartment is a hugely bad idea. Hes one broken window from adding a murder weapon into society.
This is very simple, ask to see his permit. It will say if there are restrictions.
If he has restrictions of any sort, he could lose his permit.
If its unrestricted, it is legal to have loaded in GC but again, a bad idea.
He really needs to research this topic.
If something bad happens, he could add to the anti gun crowds argument. The antis love uninformed gun owners, they help them pass gun laws.

My grandfather locks it and when he gets home he takes it out. He only goes to and from work, he works at St. Joseph's, but grandma pretty much does all the earrings

 

[VietnamEraVet]

My grandfather locks it and when he gets home he takes it out. He only goes to and from work, he works at St. Joseph's, but grandma pretty much does all the earrings

Huh? This still sounds a bit messed up. Again, YMMV, but if you're concerned, why not find out exactly what the situation is here? So, it begs the questions: Does he leave it in a vehicle, and not locked in a small gun safe in the vehicle? If so, that's a bad idea. Does your grandmother carry it, or does he? If she carries, does she have a permit, and is it restricted or not? If both of them have permits, are any handguns that get carried registered on both permits? Because if she is carrying it around in her purse, and has no permit, well,... she's asking for trouble!

 

[DoD1776]

Huh? This still sounds a bit messed up. Again, YMMV, but if you're concerned, why not find out exactly what the situation is here? So, it begs the questions: Does he leave it in a vehicle, and not locked in a small gun safe in the vehicle? If so, that's a bad idea. Does your grandmother carry it, or does he? If she carries, does she have a permit, and is it restricted or not? If both of them have permits, are any handguns that get carried registered on both permits? Because if she is carrying it around in her purse, and has no permit, well,... she's asking for trouble!

my grandpa told her the same thing. But she only carries around the property

 

[Doc8404]

Glovebox at St Joe's?
Bad area.
Glovebox is easy to gain entry.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

my grandpa told her the same thing. But she only carries around the property

You do realize, that while the odds of something happening and the police being called to their property may be slim, that if she does not have a NY CCW permit, and they encounter her with the gun (it doesn't matter if she is on private property), or if she is involved with any kind of a DGU, that she will almost certainly be arrested?

Sorry, but this whole situation is getting a bit too convoluted for me. I think this thread has given you plenty of good information. What your grandparents do next is up to them. But I'm out of suggestions on this.

 

[DoD1776]

You do realize, that while the odds of something happening and the police being called to their property may be slim, that if she does not have a NY CCW permit, and they encounter her with the gun (it doesn't matter if she is on private property), or if she is involved with any kind of a DGU, that she will almost certainly be arrested?

Sorry, but this whole situation is getting a bit too convoluted for me. I think this thread has given you plenty of good information. What your grandparents do next is up to them. But I'm out of suggestions on this.

Actually, weird stuff happens on their property. They live in the country. I'll tell u a few stories. Multiple times someone has pulled in their driveway and walked in their back yard, one time my grandma was out in the backyard, and she sees a tree that has never been there before, she looks and it's someone in a ghillie suit, she brought the dogs in and pulled out her gun, called grandpa and he came home. Plus trespassing is a huge issue on their property. So they always carry when they're outside. How isn't it legal anyways? You can open carry on your own property, why not conceal?

 

[DoD1776]

You do realize, that while the odds of something happening and the police being called to their property may be slim, that if she does not have a NY CCW permit, and they encounter her with the gun (it doesn't matter if she is on private property), or if she is involved with any kind of a DGU, that she will almost certainly be arrested?

Sorry, but this whole situation is getting a bit too convoluted for me. I think this thread has given you plenty of good information. What your grandparents do next is up to them. But I'm out of suggestions on this.

But as I said, they do have a CCL

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Actually, weird stuff happens on their property. They live in the country. I'll tell u a few stories. Multiple times someone has pulled in their driveway and walked in their back yard, one time my grandma was out in the backyard, and she sees a tree that has never been there before, she looks and it's someone in a ghillie suit, she brought the dogs in and pulled out her gun, called grandpa and he came home. Plus trespassing is a huge issue on their property. So they always carry when they're outside. How isn't it legal anyways? You can open carry on your own property, why not conceal?

Perhaps others cam chime in here, but as I understand it:

While there is no specific provision in the NY Penal code that permits open carry, they do seem to allow it when hunting in season with the proper hunting license AND WHEN THE PERSON HAS A NY CCW.

What I also understand is that, yes, you can openly carry a handgun on your private property, AS LONG AS IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM PUBLIC SPACES, AND WHEN THE PERSON HAS A NY CCW. Think of it this way: if you're in the middle of your 500 acre preserve, and no one on public property can see you holding your handgun, you're good to go.

Now, even IF you're standing on, but anywhere near the edge of your property holding your handgun openly, where you can be seen from public lands, you can possibly be charged with brandishing, or perhaps menacing EVEN IF YOU HAVE A VALID NY CCW.

And finally, IF you pull a handgun and display it against someone, even if they are trespassing on your property, I'm pretty sure you run a high risk of being arrested over that. AND, - if you are doing that with a handgun that you DO NOT have a valid NY CCW for, you are risking being arrested, and facing an even bigger pile of shit to deal with.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

1. Open carry is illegal but tolerated on ranges and hunting.

2. Concealed carry means that. If there are any restrictions they will be noted on the permit.

3. Permits issued outside NYC are not valid there.

It's not rocket science !

Tell Gramps to read what is on his permit !

Tolerated on ranges and hunting ???? Who covers their gun when hunting or at a range ? I open carry when hunting or at a range IF using a handgun at that range.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Tolerated on ranges and hunting ???? Who covers their gun when hunting or at a range ? I open carry when hunting or at a range IF using a handgun at that range.

Tolerated as in, nowhere in the law is it called out as legal, but common sense seems to be followed at ranges and when hunting.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Everything @VietnamEraVet posted is 100 percent correct Dayten. It's illegal to touch a handgun in NY without a permit. It's also illegal to possess a grenade. Private property means nothing.

 

[Saltwater60]

It's also illegal brandishing. Some one just being the n your property does not constitute a direct and immediate threat to your life. Also he had a chance to retreat to her house. Completely illegal for her to show or use a gun i. That situation. If some ones in their backyard trespassing call the police not grandpa with a gun. Now if they are entering the occupied dwelling it's considered a threat to their life. Notice I said occupied dwelling not a garage or car in NYS. A gun or deadly physical force can not be used in defense of property or money in any amount. Only in defense of a human life. Not your dogs. Human life only. If she can retreat to the house for safety she has to. Read article 35. At best her permit and gun would be taken for brandishing a weapon for trespassing.

 

[DoD1776]

It's also illegal brandishing. Some one just being the n your property does not constitute a direct and immediate threat to your life. Also he had a chance to retreat to her house. Completely illegal for her to show or use a gun i. That situation. If some ones in their backyard trespassing call the police not grandpa with a gun. Now if they are entering the occupied dwelling it's considered a threat to their life. Notice I said occupied dwelling not a garage or car in NYS. A gun or deadly physical force can not be used in defense of property or money in any amount. Only in defense of a human life. Not your dogs. Human life only. If she can retreat to the house for safety she has to. Read article 35. At best her permit and gun would be taken for brandishing a weapon for trespassing.

She never went back out, she didn't know if he was armed or not, he was in a ghille, he could've been armed, what he was up to? we don't know, she just pulled the gun out just in case anything happened

 

[DoD1776]

Everything @VietnamEraVet posted is 100 percent correct Dayten. It's illegal to touch a handgun in NY without a permit. It's also illegal to possess a grenade. Private property means nothing.

She's got a pistol permit. But I never saw this message, I shoot all the time with grandpa, pistols too, so does that mean what I'm doing is illegal..?

 

[Acer-m14]

your under 18 , you can use your grandpas pistol under supervision on a regulated range ..refer to the law .. .. so just toss up some NRA Range posters out back ... you lucky little wippersnapper ..
since im 51 i couldn't legally touch your grandpa pistols .. welcome to NY ..

 

[DoD1776]

your under 18 , you can use your grandpas pistol under supervision on a regulated range ..refer to the law .. .. so just toss up some NRA Range posters out back ... you lucky little wippersnapper ..
since im 51 i couldn't legally touch your grandpa pistols .. welcome to NY ..

You don't have a pistol permit?

 

[Acer-m14]

You don't have a pistol permit?

Nope .. but here is another NY law Fun Game .. I can go buy a black powder pistol with no back ground check , cash n carry .. i just can't load and shoot it legally .. so i have a nice pistol hammer to smack the target with LOL ..