IMPEACH Trump and INSTALL Pence ?

[CaseHardened]

1. Trump can't snap his fingers and build a wall. He isn't a dictator or a king. If there's anyone you should hold responsible it's the Republicans in Congress who refuse to allow him to do it. There are many things Congress could have done including the Nuclear Option and refused to do so.

2. Trump is no dictator or King. He can't snap his fingers and order Hillary's arrest. If his name was Kim Jong Un than perhaps he'd be able to. There is a process for that in a constitutional republic. It involves many factors along with a Justice department which as you well know is compromised. About all he can do is replace the leadership.

3. Trump hasn't signed any gun control laws passed by Congress.

4. As @redtail has said, he is looking for alternative ways to fund the wall with the Omibus Bill that he signed but didn't really want to sign.

Trump suggests US military foot the bill for border wall - CNNPolitics

If he can't do these things, why did he PROMISE them ?

Oh, that's right - to get my vote.

Never mind....

 

[Marine Cpl]

If he can't do these things, why did he PROMISE them ?

Oh, that's right - to get my vote.

Never mind....

Every politician promises what they want to do. Whether Congress let's them is another matter.

 

[CaseHardened]

Every politician promises what they want to do. Whether Congress let's them is another matter.

Yet somehow we have DACA.

What Bill passed by Congress legalized that ?

 

[GOPerfect]

@CaseHardened , I really have to wonder, and no disrespect intended...

Do you have any clue how Government works?

From your angry posts, it seems you have no idea at all.

 

[CaseHardened]

@CaseHardened , I really have to wonder, and no disrespect intended...

Do you have any clue how Government works?

From your angry posts, it seems you have no idea at all.

ONE QUESTION: Explain DACA to me.

OR - I'll explain it to you: Obama simply declared it. Straight out of the Blue. No Bill from Congress. No legal standing. HE JUST DID IT.

This is why I despise "Superhero" Movies. The criminals can use Guns, Knives, Rockets; Batman can punch. PUNCH ! Ridiculous.

You have no problem with a Hard-Left President flaunting the law and doing what he pleases.

But when I demand a Special Investigator for Hillary, or a Wall, "oh. we can't do that".

There's an I that needs to be dotted, and a T that needs to be crossed. So sorry deplorables.

These are truly desperate times.

No time to pussy-foot it.

This country is quite nearly LOST.

And yes, I am ANGRY to see that happen.

 

[CaseHardened]

Here's another example:

For over TWO CENTURIES our Presidents have had Cabinets.

These are specific positions, filled by a time-worn process.

SO OBAMA INVENTED CZARS !

You remember them, right ?

CZARS that Obama chose, and bestowed powers to.

Unelected - Unaccountable.

And, I'll bet, ILLEGAL.

If we keep bringing ROCKS to the GUNFIGHT we deserve to fail.

 

[GOPerfect]

ONE QUESTION: Explain DACA to me.

OR - I'll explain it to you: Obama simply declared it. Straight out of the Blue. No Bill from Congress. No legal standing. HE JUST DID IT.

This is why I despise "Superhero" Movies. The criminals can use Guns, Knives, Rockets; Batman can punch. PUNCH ! Ridiculous.

You have no problem with a Hard-Left President flaunting the law and doing what he pleases.

But when I demand a Special Investigator for Hillary, or a Wall, "oh. we can't do that".

There's an I that needs to be dotted, and a T that needs to be crossed. So sorry deplorables.

These are truly desperate times.

No time to pussy-foot it.

This country is quite nearly LOST.

And yes, I am ANGRY to see that happen.

Do you know that two federal judges have ordered the Trump administration to partially reinstate the program as it undergoes a lengthy court battle?

Now that it is in the courts, and there has been a ruling from a Judge, DACA cannot just disappear like a fart in a wind storm.

 

[GOPerfect]

Here's another example:

For over TWO CENTURIES our Presidents have had Cabinets.

These are specific positions, filled by a time-worn process.

SO OBAMA INVENTED CZARS !

You remember them, right ?

CZARS that Obama chose, and bestowed powers to.

Unelected - Unaccountable.

And, I'll bet, ILLEGAL.

If we keep bringing ROCKS to the GUNFIGHT we deserve to fail.

Nope, not illegal.

 

[prambo]

Agreed. DJT has done a lot of good as noted in prior posts, and as a bonus, he is FORCING the left to expose themselves. They just can't help it, his mere existence drives them nuts.

@CaseHardened , Trump didn't sign a BUDGET, he signed an OMNIBUS CONTINUING RESOLUTION. A budget has force of law to compel him to follow the spending laid out to the letter, an omnibus CR does not. He can simply declare an emergency on the southern border and direct the Army Corp of Engineers to build the wall.

I was initially just as dismayed as you were (and Rush, and Sean, and Mark etc.) but as more info came out regarding exactly what an Omnibus CR was, my spirits were raised.

1. Trump can't snap his fingers and build a wall. He isn't a dictator or a king. If there's anyone you should hold responsible it's the Republicans in Congress who refuse to allow him to do it. There are many things Congress could have done including the Nuclear Option and refused to do so.

2. Trump is no dictator or King. He can't snap his fingers and order Hillary's arrest. If his name was Kim Jong Un than perhaps he'd be able to. There is a process for that in a constitutional republic. It involves many factors along with a Justice department which as you well know is compromised. About all he can do is replace the leadership.

3. Trump hasn't signed any gun control laws passed by Congress.

4. As @redtail has said, he is looking for alternative ways to fund the wall with the Omibus Bill that he signed but didn't really want to sign.

Trump suggests US military foot the bill for border wall - CNNPolitics

The problems we now face have been created by dedicated statists who have made "the long march through the institutions", namely through infiltration of the bureaucratic Deep State and their handlers. They are largely positioned to avoid rapid removal.

DJT drives them literally insane, which has led to their exposure. This has led to the widespread lunacy of the MSM and the left being on full display.

To drive them out, unfortunately, will take a careful and pointed course of investigation and exposure, such as the current congressional and senate committee probes. IMHO, DJT initiated this action before the inauguration and it is now bearing fruit. It can't be done extralegally, or we become a dictatorial banana republic. Suggest @CaseHardened that you deep dive into the carefully detailed explanations on CTH by sundance.

Stay the course, work to pressure pols into going at it with all possible speed. The only other way is civil war, which would destroy the republic. It may come to that, but no one in their right mind wants that, unless all hope is lost.

 

[CaseHardened]

Nope, not illegal.

GOOD

Not Illegal.

There are likely DOZENS of similar End-Runs Trump could initiate.

If he is not willing to do so: GOOD RIDDANCE.

BTW, you don't know me. But you can see my older posts, if you are so inclined.

I have been making APOLOGIES for this man since Day One.

And I still would be - but for the OMNIBUS.

OMNIBUS = SURRENDER

I really hope there is an alternative to DJT in 2020.

And you STILL have not explained how DACA came to be to me. Just that we can't end it. I call BS.

 

[CaseHardened]

The problems we now face have been created by dedicated statists who have made "the long march through the institutions", namely through infiltration of the bureaucratic Deep State and their handlers. They are largely positioned to avoid rapid removal.

DJT drives them literally insane, which has led to their exposure. This has led to the widespread lunacy of the MSM and the left being on full display.

To drive them out, unfortunately, will take a careful and pointed course of investigation and exposure, such as the current congressional and senate committee probes. IMHO, DJT initiated this action before the inauguration and it is now bearing fruit. It can't be done extralegally, or we become a dictatorial banana republic. Suggest @CaseHardened that you deep dive into the carefully detailed explanations on CTH by sundance.

Stay the course, work to pressure pols into going at it with all possible speed. The only other way is civil war, which would destroy the republic. It may come to that, but no one in their right mind wants that, unless all hope is lost.

Yes, many are talking CIVIL WAR.

A particularly bad idea.

Especially since, I believe, there are so many strategies that could easily, IMHO, prevent it.

 

[prambo]

GOOD

Not Illegal.

There are likely DOZENS of similar End-Runs Trump could initiate.

If he is not willing to do so: GOOD RIDDANCE.

BTW, you don't know me. But you can see my older posts, if you are so inclined.

I have been making APOLOGIES for this man since Day One.

And I still would be - but for the OMNIBUS.

OMNIBUS = SURRENDER

I really hope there is an alternative to DJT in 2020.

And you STILL have not explained how DACA came to be to me. Just that we can't end it. I call BS.

Adhering to my new personal choice to avoid endless wrangling, I will only say the following:

1) I definitely am as frustrated as anyone, believe me.

2) to follow your football analogy, an "end run" avoids the defensive line which, in the present case, is what must be destroyed, and carried from the field on stretchers, preferably to prison or worse, hopefully, on treason charges.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And you STILL have not explained how DACA came to be to me. Just that we can't end it. I call BS.

I suggest you read up on Executive Orders. Read up on the how and why and who allows them to remain, stand, or get blocked totally.

Once you do that, you'll understand why Trump can't get any of his to stick.

 

[prambo]

@CaseHardened - for your reading pleasure (also posted elsewhere)

Keep Going. This Too Shall Pass.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Trump has Congress and the Supreme and Circuit Courts against him. As @GOPerfect said, "Many here have no clue whatsoever on how the government works."

There are uninformed voters on both sides it seems.

 

[CaseHardened]

Hey Trump, why don't you simply DISTRACT me ?

Begin PROSECUTIONS.

Even if it's just small fry, like the SANCTUARY CITY Mayors.

Oh wait, the President CAN'T do that, either.

WTF can he do !

 

[CaseHardened]

I suggest you read up on Executive Orders. Read up on the how and why and who allows them to remain, stand, or get blocked totally.

Once you do that, you'll understand why Trump can't get any of his to stick.

And yet informed minds seem to agree that Obama created DACA with no authority to do so.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And yet informed minds seem to agree that Obama created DACA with no authority to do so.

Did you read up on Executive Orders yet?

 

[CaseHardened]

I have heard that a President can declare a SECURITY EMERGENCY and thus force the Corp of Engineers to build the Wall.

 

[CaseHardened]

Did you read up on Executive Orders yet?

Don't care.

Tired of hearing why this and that just can't be done if it's a Conservative Issue.

Yet the Far-Left can do anything. Including sending Armed Thugs to rallies to beat Conservatives, while the Police stand idly by.

If Trump can't do what is needed, he should resign.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Then I can't help you. Remain ignorant and continue writing in caps. No offense.

 

[CaseHardened]

Then I can't help you. Remain ignorant and continue writing in caps. No offense.

Trump is doing nothing, yet you're ok with that.

No offense.

I'm an old man without children.

It's you and yours that will be living in the Third World soon.

Just because cracking an egg is messy.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Trump is doing nothing, yet you're ok with that.

No offense.

I'm an old man without children.

It's you and yours that will be living in the Third World soon.

Just because cracking an egg is messy.

You are making statements on what he isn't doing without learning about the process. That's your choice.

 

[Phazer]

Every politician promises what they want to do. Whether Congress let's them is another matter.

But they need to try. Presidents need to tell Congress what they want and then guide the legislation the best they can.

To some of us, it appears that Trump got rolled by Congress (including Republicans) and that he's given up on major issues.

 

[Modean]

No, no, and hell no! Trump is doing a decent job considering the massive resistance he is facing. It would be no different for Pence, and further embolden Democrats to nullify future elections won by Republicans.

 

[CaseHardened]

You are making statements on what he isn't doing without learning about the process. That's your choice.

I don't care about "the process."

When Ted Kennedy died, we had a Special Election in Mass to replace him. It was in January.

Scott Brown promised, as Senator, he would be the critical vote in defeating ObamaCare.

So I made up some signs, and stood in the snow all day at my local Polling Place.

Scott Brown was ELECTED !!

Then the Democrats changed "the process" and Scott's election made no difference.

So go ahead, you believe in "the process". Not me. No more.

 

[CaseHardened]

But they need to try. Presidents need to tell Congress what they want and then guide the legislation the best they can.

To some of us, it appears that Trump got rolled by Congress (including Republicans) and that he's given up on major issues.

That's exactly it.

How I wish we had Ted Cruz !

 

[Marine Cpl]

The ignorance is strong in this thread.

 

[CaseHardened]

The ignorance is strong in this thread.

Please.

I believe signing the Omnibus was nothing short of Surrender.

You do not.

I really hope you're right.

 

[Rustycoins]

I don't care about "the process."

When Ted Kennedy died, we had a Special Election in Mass to replace him. It was in January.

Scott Brown promised, as Senator, he would be the critical vote in defeating ObamaCare.

So I made up some signs, and stood in the snow all day at my local Polling Place.

Scott Brown was ELECTED !!

Then the Democrats changed "the process" and Scott's election made no difference.

So go ahead, you believe in "the process". Not me. No more.

While I understand your frustration as I feel it as well, you're crazy if you think results would be this quick. I actually do think there are a lot of things in the works for exactly what you're not happy about.

However, you're advocating for the same tyranny you're against. To reference your earlier post about age, I'm in my 30s with kids and I do have a genuine interest for Trump not to just go off the rails doing whatever he wants whenever. I'd like some precedence for my future Presidents and the Presidents my children will live through, not just saying screw it let them all be tyrants.

You had me until wishing for Ted Cruz, pretty sure you're just trolling at this point. Might as well be #ItWasHerTurn.