Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip
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Good. Now execute them!
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Senator Rubio DESTROYS Anti Israel #israel
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Looks like the Hamas swim team.
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I would ask her if she cared about the men, women and children tortured by Hamas. Typical leftist loon.Senator Rubio DESTROYS Anti Israel #israel
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Yeah and I'm sure if you play by their rules everything will turn out just peachy.Hamas Warns It Could Kill All Hostages Unless Israel Meets Demands
A Hamas spokesman suggested Sunday that the terror organization could kill all of the presumed 137 hostages in its custody if Israel does not accede to its demands.
Hamas Warns It Could Kill All Hostages Unless Israel Meets Demands
A Hamas spokesman said it could kill all of the presumed 137 hostages in its custody if Israel does not accede to its demands.www.breitbart.com
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“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”—Nietzsche.
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Those hostages should be presumed dead unless there is some proof of life .
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Im thinking they have no drinkable water. You need food water and ammo, and if one is missing its game over , its been pretty rapid , they have been surrendering daily now. IDF should just sit back and wait for another week and see what happens. why risk soldiers lives when you can just wait.
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If wanting people who's sole purpose is to kill everyone like me to be gone from the earth makes me a monster, so be it. I know who I am as well as the ethics and morals I have. I wouldn't harm a fly once these vile scum are eradicated, that is unless more vile scum pop up to take their place.
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Im just sayin
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Understood, but the parallels to the past are uncanny.
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At some point, you may have to choose between becoming a monster and ceasing to exist (or worse).
Different people have different answers for that point, but I have long ago decided IDGAF about being "better than them".
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Is that really the case? Hamas may have the will, but do they have the means? And I dont have any beef with the elimination of Hamas as an enemy , Dont get me wrong.
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No, I think the IDF can handle HAMAS easily enough without taking off the kid gloves.
But, in that region of the world, that may just invite the next challenger.
Sometimes, if you want peace, you need to make your enemies terrified of ever fighting you.
Vlad Tepes gets a bad rap, but his methods worked very well for his people.
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The more I see videos of 4 and 5 year old kids talking about how they're going to grow up to kill Jews someday, the less sympathy I have for Hamas.
If Hamas were to have a march through the streets calling for peaceful coexistence, I might extend some sympathy. If they removed the part from their charter about eliminating Israel, I might extend some sympathy.
But when they continually rape, torture and murder Israeli men, women and children, when they fire rockets during a ceasefire they called for, when they teach their kids to be terrorists, I have no sympathy.
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I am though reminded of something Douglas Murray recently said. He talked about how the Nazi's had to get drunk at night because many of them knew what they were doing was wrong. Hamas on the other hand is gleeful about killing children and raping women before killing them. There was even audio of a son calling his father to brag about how many innocent civilians he killed and wanted his mother to get on the phone to show her how great her son was. There is no parallel when it comes to the human scum which is why they must be wiped out permanently.
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I know what you mean. I said at the beginning of this thread, its going to be hard to find any sympathy for the Palestinians after what happened .
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I can get behind that except for one thing, Isreals enemy's are not terrified , they are angry, well armed , and are now contemplating a multi national war against Israel which Isreal cannot win. Pakistan has nukes, Iran probably has a few from the soviet union, Turkey may have a few of thier own Saudi's may have a few under the table nukes . the combined armies of the middle east would be fatal to Isreal . And I fear Isreal is painting itself into a corner from which it cannot escape. If they time it correctly when the US cannot respond, say a war in China or an economic collaspe or something like that, they are on thier own . So even if they are justified, there are consequences to thier actions
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Israel simply needs to tear down the wall around Gaza.
So do we at our border, for that matter. Time to Go Green!
So do we at our border, for that matter. Time to Go Green!
Iran and Saudi Arabia are mortal enemies due to religious (shia vs Sunni), economic and political reasons. From what I gather the Saudis and Israelis have shared interests against Iran's trouble making policies in the middle east. It is highly unlikely the Saudis would join Iran in any attack on Israel.
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That was true a year ago. they have been coming together before the war began. they are putting their differences aside for the moment.
On 10 March, Saudi Arabia and Iran agreed to restore diplomatic relations as part of a Chinese-sponsored initiative that appears aimed at reducing tensions across the Middle East. Crisis Group experts offer a 360-degree view of the implications for the region’s many flashpoints.
The Saudi-Iranian agreement provides a roadmap for re-establishing diplomatic ties within two months. If all goes well, it could reduce the intense hostility that has existed between the two countries for the better part of a decade. For now, the agreement’s rollout appears to be proceeding apace: King Salman of Saudi Arabia invited Iran’s President Ebrahim Raisi to Riyadh, and the two countries’ foreign ministers met in Beijing on 6 April. A senior Saudi official told Crisis Group that Riyadh “wants to build on the momentum generated by the success of the Beijing talks”, while the Saudi finance minister indicated that the country was prepared to start investing in Iran “very quickly”. Both countries sent technical delegations in preparation for reopening their respective embassies, suggesting that the two-month timeline is on track.
The Impact of the Saudi-Iranian Rapprochement on Middle East Conflicts | Crisis Group
On 10 March, Saudi Arabia and Iran agreed to restore diplomatic relations as part of a Chinese-sponsored initiative that appears aimed at reducing tensions across the Middle East. Crisis Group experts offer a 360-degree view of the implications for the region’s many flashpoints.
www.crisisgroup.org
RIYADH, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is putting U.S.-backed plans to normalise ties with Israel on ice, two sources familiar with Riyadh's thinking said, signalling a rapid rethinking of its foreign policy priorities as war escalates between Israel and Palestinian group Hamas.
The conflict has also pushed the kingdom to engage with Iran.
Saudi rebuffs U.S. call to condemn Hamas attack
The leaders of both Islamic countries appeared to put aside their historical animosities at a summit to present a united stand against Israel’s bombardment of the strip after Hamas’s attack.
The leaders of Iran and Saudi Arabia, regional rivals who restored diplomatic ties this year, met in Riyadh on Saturday at a summit where they called for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza and unconditional delivery of humanitarian aid to the enclave, which Israeli forces have besieged since the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks.
The two Islamic countries, who support opposing factions in proxy conflicts across the region, first announced their diplomatic breakthrough in March, after years of hostility, in a deal brokered by China. But it was unclear whether the shift would lead to a lasting détente between Saudi Arabia’s Sunni monarchy and Iran’s Shiite government.
Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, however, appears to have hastened the warming of ties between Saudi Arabia and Iran, just as delicate diplomacy had been inching Saudi Arabia and Israel toward possible normalization of relations. Iran, which Israel considers its most dangerous foe, is a powerful patron of Hamas.
The Saudi crown prince said the crisis had demonstrated “the failure of the Security Council and the international community to put an end to the flagrant Israeli violations of international laws.”
The Arab and Muslim participants at the summit called for an arms embargo against Israel and said regional peace could not be achieved without resolving the Palestinian issue based on the two-state solution, a longtime pillar of Mideast diplomacy efforts.
Iran and Saudi Arabia, Regional Rivals, Call for Gaza Cease-Fire (Published 2023)
The leaders of both Islamic countries appeared to put aside their historical animosities at a summit to present a united stand against Israel’s bombardment of the strip after Hamas’s attack.
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Hamas is finished. Barring a major event . I think its going to be over sooner than We thought.
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My NG infantry unit had Mass in the field. Chaplain explaining the burden we have accepted for society. “We need killers in this world, because we have murderers”
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Let’s hope the fight ending over there does not trigger the fight here.
We are the Great Satan. Islamists since the Egyptian Brotherhood in the 1950’s have always had as a goal drawing USA into conflict by targeting Israel, recognising that we would always come to Israel’s defence.