JERUSALEM EMBASSY: Why Trump’s Right & Palestine Deserves NOTHING! | Louder With Crowder

[meketrefe]

Aloha Snack Bar!!!!

 

[kev74]

Having just returned from a trip to the over there I can say what a totally f____ed place it is. Really crappy ag land. Most barely fit for goats. We should all be glad we don't live there.

Short version: The Jew wouldn't be quiet and pay their taxes to Rome. The Romans had enough when the Jews revolted in 70 AD the Romans killed them all and/or ran them out. The survivors scattered all over. Called the "Diaspora". There were no Jews or damn few in the middle east for 2000 years. In the early 1900s the Zionist movement began (Jew returning to the Promised Land). WWII comes along and Hitler tries to finish the Roman thing (except the European Jews were being quiet and paying their taxes). Jews decide that since no one else will protect them they need their own country. Palestine is under a British Protectorate as a result of Turkey (Ottoman Empire) siding with Germans in WWI and loosing.

The British see the problem that the residents of Palestine won't welcome all these Jews coming in and taking over. They suggest that the island of Madagascar be given to the Jews for a homeland. No Arabs (or almost anyone else living there). Trouble is Madagascar belonged to France. Typical British solution.

Illegal Jewish immigration to Palestine continues. The western allies don't take strong measures to stop it, a guilt thing considering the Holocaust. Anyway, when enough Jew are there they declare independence from Britain in 1948. All the people living there are to have equal rights to vote, religion, free speech etc. The UN recognizes Israel as an independent country. The next day all the Arab countries surrounding Israel attack. Jordan, Syria, Egypt etc. To the astonishment of all, the Jews win. Many of he Jews were WWII combat vets, while the Arabs generally sat out WWII. The Palestinians who were living in Israel wouldn't except Israeli citizenship and leave just before the war, planning on coming back an taking over again. They chose the loosing side.

In 1967 the Arabs attack again. Jordan, Syria, Egypt etc. The loose again, except now the Israelis take all the area of Jordan west of the Jordan River, including Jerusalem, now called the West Bank, the Golan Heights from Syria and the Sinai desert from Egypt all the way to the Suez.

In 1973 the Arabs attack again. This time it was a close thing, but the Arabs loose again. Then Israel annex the Golan Heights, as a security measure, annex Jerusalem. Egypt signs a peace treaty and get about half the Sinai back. Israel keeps part as a buffer zone. Jordan makes peace. The west bank and the Garza strip are under the semi independent Palestinian Authority. The Palestinians could have an independent country if they would make peace with Israel, but they won't. They do not recognize the right of Israel to exist. The Israelis won't agree to pack up and leave, so the dispute continues.

So in sum, the Palestinians were on the loosing side at least three times and refuse to accept that they lost. In ancient times the Jews would have just used the "Roman Option" with the Palestinians, but can't get away with that now days.

Trump recognizes what is, the Palestinians won't. Clear enough?

Nice summary. You missed the part where the Palestinians flip the checker board over and run away before they actually commit to anything they agreed to during a peace negotiation. Arafat was a master at that.

 

[kev74]

Bottom line, there is a lot of interest on that region because there is a lot of oil there.
Otherwise nobody will give a fuck about them just like today we do not give a fuck about those who do not have
natural resources or something else to offer.

Its more than just oil now. The whole region is a breeding ground for people who want to chop off our heads, hijack our airplanes, bomb our cities and shoot up our communities because we don't follow the teachings of their gay, porkphobic, goatfucking prophet.

 

[holdover]

And the fact that invading their home lands bombing the living shit out them since 91, killing and maiming millions of them have become a American hobby. They kinda frown on that ya know. If these people were atheists, they would still want to chop off our heads.

I don't want to be the guy defending Muslims, but your going to have to expect some blowback when a few million of them are dead by our hands.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

My stance on this is that Israel shouldn't exist and I don't care who takes the land.

After doing a decent amount of research on the six day war I have come to the conclusion that Israel wants nothing but constant war in the Middle East and the six day war stopped peace from being an option.

Egypt was about to unite the Middle East peacefully when Israel started that war and the area has been in turmoil ever since.

 

[GOPerfect]

I just really wish the REAL and HONEST truth was told. By both sides!

 

[Darth]

Who they serve better, America, China or their lobby?
They are actually a disaster for America. ... but at least it is something we get to choose.

Wait! .. we chose Trump too!

Oh well, somebody did what we ask them to do.

They would serve us far better by not existing.

If you promise to take a dump in my Cheerios and actually do it I don't all of a sudden like the idea because you followed through on a promise.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Meanwhile Toto, back in Kansas, i should get out and mow my lawn again, and I'd really to squeeze in some range time in between packing, trashing, and donating

 

[meketrefe]

They would serve us far better by not existing.

If you promise to take a dump in my Cheerios and actually do it I don't all of a sudden like the idea because you followed through on a promise.

But you said I could eat your cheerios?

I know, PMS is a PITA.

 

[meketrefe]

Its more than just oil now. The whole region is a breeding ground for people who want to chop off our heads, hijack our airplanes, bomb our cities and shoot up our communities because we don't follow the teachings of their gay, porkphobic, goatfucking prophet.

Bottom line, dont fight politically correct wars.
Cannot win them.

 

[nortatoga]

 

[Marine Cpl]

Listen let's be honest with ourselves here. If we lived in California and Mexico had at one time or another launched mortars into San Diego like the Palestinians did into Israel when they launched them from the Gaza Strip and killed our people and then got on our city buses with suicide vests, we wouldn't care one bit even if they were gun downed down in an unarmed protest. But we know that isn't the case anyway.

 

[@thewheels]

My stance on this is that Israel shouldn't exist and I don't care who takes the land.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Care to elaborate?

Anti-Semitism. Had the Palestinians bordered a European country, he'd think differently.

What gets me about people like that is that Israelis are more like Americans than the Europeans are. They are patriotic, take self defense seriously, and are not politically correct.

They are how conservatives see themselves and their country is run like we want ours to be run in terms of security. IE armed teachers. No nonsense. Fuck with us and we'll kill you. There's no time for political correctness, pansy ass tolerance, and liberal tears like in Europe and how America is starting to turn.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

It's less anti semitism and more seeing how Israel treats its neighbors. The six day war is a big reason I hate Israel. They attacked Egypt, Syria and Jordan basically for no reason.

Israel was mounting forces on the Syrian border and Egypt, Syria's ally mounted forces on the Israeli border. So Israel being a reasonable country decides to oust their defence minister who is against attacking before they are attacked because Israel had never attacked first before that war.

So he's being completely reasonable but the government ousts him for a general who is willing to attack.

No one was threatening anyone other than just mounting forces and Israel attacked unprovoked.

It goes back to a statement that I truly believe in. "There's no honor in fighting a voluntary war." - Tim Brown

 

[Marine Cpl]

It's less anti semitism and more seeing how Israel treats its neighbors. The six day war is a big reason I hate Israel. They attacked Egypt, Syria and Jordan basically for no reason.

Israel was mounting forces on the Syrian border and Egypt, Syria's ally mounted forces on the Israeli border. So Israel being a reasonable country decides to oust their defence minister who is against attacking before they are attacked because Israel had never attacked first before that war.

So he's being completely reasonable but the government ousts him for a general who is willing to attack.

No one was threatening anyone other than just mounting forces and Israel attacked unprovoked.

It goes back to a statement that I truly believe in. "There's no honor in fighting a voluntary war." - Tim Brown

Yes it is. Your post above proves it.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Yes it is. Your post above proves it.

Because I said their country shouldn't exist? There's a lot of countries created after ww2 that shouldn't exist and the world would be better off.

And for the record the Palistinians are just as big of shit heels as the Israelis.

Israel has by far and away the best military in the area and yet they felt the need then to attack countries for trying to be in position to defend their allies from Israel.

Now Israel cries for US aid because they can't stop stirring the pot.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Listen. If Mexico started amassing troops, tanks, and air power along our border along with blocking our trade routes and Nicaragua and Honduras was beginning to do the same, you'd have no issue with a preemptive strike. Especially after they've attacked you before.

What do you want? To wait until they attack us first?

Sometimes when outnumbered in order to survive you have to Strike First and Strike Hard with No Mercy just like the Way of the Fist teaches.

That was the 6th Day War.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Listen. If Mexico started amassing troops, tanks, and air power along our border along with blocking our trade routes and Nicaragua and Honduras was beginning to do the same, you'd have no issue with a preemptive strike. Especially after they've attacked you before.

What do you want? To wait until they attack us first?

Sometimes when outnumbered in order to survive you have to Strike First and Strike Hard with No Mercy just like the Way of the Fist teaches.

That was the 6th Day War.

It'd be more like us assembling troops on the Canadian border and then Mexico doing the same to our border and then us attacking them.

Egypt only mounted up because it appeared that Israel was going to attack their ally Syria.

If Egypt had just mounted up and there was no threat to any of their allies then it's fine for them to be attacked.

When that whole thing happened Nasser was actually in the process of setting up an Arab alliance to attempt to bring peace to the Arab nations.

Now maybe the plan for that was to conquer Israel but the accounts and interviews I've read from Nasser he didn't want anything to do with Israel.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Newer article I just found saying Russia falsely told Egypt that the Israeli forces were on the Syrian border. Hmm. This war gets fishier the more I look into it.

Moral of the story is everyone in that part of the world sucks.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It'd be more like us assembling troops on the Canadian border and then Mexico doing the same to our border and then us attacking them.

Egypt only mounted up because it appeared that Israel was going to attack their ally Syria.

If Egypt had just mounted up and there was no threat to any of their allies then it's fine for them to be attacked.

When that whole thing happened Nasser was actually in the process of setting up an Arab alliance to attempt to bring peace to the Arab nations.

Now maybe the plan for that was to conquer Israel but the accounts and interviews I've read from Nasser he didn't want anything to do with Israel.

Incorrect. They blocked their shipping lanes first and started amassing. What do you expect them to do after being attacked before?

What neighbors would block their neighbor's shipping lanes? Answer. Hostile neighbors. Neighbors that don't want peace and trade.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And if anyone puts their Anti-Semitism aside, what groups of people really are savages and barbarians?

Name one good thing to come out of the Arab world other than oil and opium?

Do the Israelis embedd children into their armies? No. Because they'd get targeted first. They aren't going to pause like the Israelis do when they see soldiers with children in their ranks.

Do the Israelis strap suicide vests and blow up buses in Palestine, Syria, and Jordan?

Do the Israelis strap bombs on their children and send them with a flower in their hand to greet Palestinian soldiers?

I swear. Is either hatred for Jews or really not knowing and forming an opinion to take the side of the Palestinians.

Who would welcome you with open arms if you took a trip their countries and who would slit your throat in an alley and rape your wife?

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Incorrect. They blocked their shipping lanes first and started amassing. What do you expect them to do after being attacked before?

What neighbors would block their neighbor's shipping lanes? Answer. Hostile neighbors. Neighbors that don't want peace and trade.

According to the article I just read they moved troops into the Sinai before they shut the strait of tiran.
The Six-Day War: An Inevitable Conflict

Also talks about potential solutions to give the Jews land within Syria and other countries.

Idk about you but I wouldn't want to live somewhere that I'm surrounded by people who want me dead. That seems rather stressful.

It's a fucked situation. You can look at it as Israel is like us defending its borders. Or you can look at it as the Palistinians are like us after we left Britain. However they are trying to take land they lived on back instead of moving somewhere new.

The other thing that article said is because of fear of US intervention Nasser knew he couldn't attack first and was waiting to be attacked first. He thought he was going to win for sure.

However the defense minister who was fired likely knew this because he was against attacking them until they attacked as in its history Isreal had never fought a war they were the aggressor.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

And if anyone puts their Anti-Semitism aside, what groups of people really are savages and barbarians?

Name one good thing to come out of the Arab world other than oil and opium?

Do the Israelis embedd children into their armies? No. Because they'd get targeted first. They aren't going to pause like the Israelis do when they see soldiers with children in their ranks.

Do the Israelis strap suicide vests and blow up buses in Palestine, Syria, and Jordan?

Do the Israelis strap bombs on their children and send them with a flower in their hand to greet Palestinian soldiers?

I swear. Is either hatred for Jews or really not knowing and forming an opinion to take the side of the Palestinians.

Who would welcome you with open arms if you took a trip their countries and who would slit your throat in an alley and rape your wife?

The Arabs did do a lot for mathematics. Oh and Damascus steel.

Israel hasn't done much good for the world either. They make great firearms. They make pharmaceutical drugs, could be good or bad depending on your opinion on that.

As far as savagery and barbarism goes its pretty barbaric to suck the blood from a freshly circumcised baby.

In my opinion most of the people in that part of the world practicing any of the religions of the book are barbaric savages.

Yes the Arabs tend to be more savage than the others but that doesn't absolve everyone else because they aren't as bad. They all suck.

 

[kev74]

Name one good thing to come out of the Arab world other than oil and opium?

You mean besides math and science?

How about this instead...."Name one good thing to come out of the Arab world other than oil and opium after Mohammed came along?"

 

[holdover]

Or the alphabet were using. Actually the Arabic people's were highly advanced before their prophet came.

Seriously will you need to stop throwing the anti semite term around so loosely .

Nobody here is preaching any kind of racial supremacy .Or arguing about religious rights.

Some of us are critizeing the national policys of isreal as a nation not as a people .

Generally they're pretty smart people in my opinion

 

[Marine Cpl]

Except Egypt had blocked the Straits of Tiran from Israeli shipping since 1950.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Or the alphabet were using. Actually the Arabic people's were highly advanced before their prophet came.

Seriously will you need to stop throwing the anti semite term around so loosely .

Nobody here is preaching any kind of racial supremacy .Or arguing about religious rights.

Some of us are critizeing the national policys of isreal as a nation not as a people .

Generally they're pretty smart people in my opinion

It's the only thing that makes sense to me on why anyone would take the side of the Palestinians. I hope I'm wrong. I don't want to be right in this case.

The Palestinians are not Arabs or Persians of the past. Not even close.

 

[Darth]

"You are racist."

"No I'm not, here are a number of reasons why: "

"Nope, you're racist."

"No sir, I.."

"RACIST!"

 

[Marine Cpl]

"You are racist."

"No I'm not, here are a number of reasons why: "

"Nope, you're racist."

"No sir, I.."

"RACIST!"

That's not what I said. Besides, if racism was a factor it would be against a Palestinian no?

Anyways, you are fat! The Iron Sheik said so and he doesn't like your YouTube channel.