Jimmy Johns Clerk keeps his cool during armed robbery

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JRtraderny said:
If you watch the video closely you'll see the perp actually jams the pistol when he racked the slide ............
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I noticed that from the camera angle, highly doubt I'd pick that up with it inches from my face though. Glad the perp was eventually arrested.
 
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I once had a 12 gauge sawn off shotgun in my face.

It's amazing how surreal it really is. Time seems to go extremely slow and you notice every little detail. Your mind races. It feels like it last several minutes, one at last several seconds. Again it is a surreal experience.

The above mentioned asshat shot himself with it later that day when the poh-poh arrived.
 
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He probably could have grabbed the gun fairly easily with both hands and overpowered it to take control. Maybe snap the homies fingers in the process too. If I saw that jammed up gun, I'd probably want to take action in that instance, and quickly after it was pointed at my face which is also incredibly stupid and vulnerable for the offender. Even after he gets his money though, There is no reason he can't just clear the malfunction and shoot him after complying.
 
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Uzi said:
He probably could have grabbed the gun fairly easily with both hands and overpowered it to take control. Maybe snap the homies fingers in the process too. If I saw that jammed up gun, I'd probably want to take action in that instance, and quickly after it was pointed at my face which is also incredibly stupid and vulnerable for the offender. Even after he gets his money though, There is no reason he can't just clear the malfunction and shoot him after complying.
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Bullshit.

Internet jockeys always say shit like this. being on the business end of a firearm before , you don't do stupid shit like that. It'll just get you fucking shot.

He did exactly the right thing. Nobody got shot. Most importantly he didn't get shot.
 
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Uzi said:
He probably could have grabbed the gun fairly easily with both hands and overpowered it to take control. Maybe snap the homies fingers in the process too. If I saw that jammed up gun, I'd probably want to take action in that instance, and quickly after it was pointed at my face which is also incredibly stupid and vulnerable for the offender. Even after he gets his money though, There is no reason he can't just clear the malfunction and shoot him after complying.
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For $40 or $50 that is not even your? This kid did just the right thing! And when home that night!!
 
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Bullet Guy said:
Bullshit.

Internet jockeys always say shit like this. being on the business end of a firearm before , you don't do stupid shit like that. It'll just get you fucking shot.

He did exactly the right thing. Nobody got shot. Most importantly he didn't get shot.
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I get what you're saying, but complying always is NOT the only option, that's a silly thing to assume and it's plain wrong, especially for anyone that has had training for this type of thing. Taking control over a faulty weapon when the situation is suitable could be a life saving decision. You should follow some of John's videos on active self protection. He's a trainer out of Arizona that goes into explaination about the best options for hundreds and hundreds of videos just like this, breaking them down into detail. In this instance the man got lucky as many do, the asshole had short stroked the slide, jammed the gun, the employee complied, gave the money, and got to walk away with his life. Who's to say he wouldn't clear the gun and try to kill him regardless of what his plans were afterwards? He got lucky. These types of situations are never cut and dry simple. Complying can work, but will never leave you with any advantage in a self defense situation. At that point you hope they just don't kill you. Thanks for your detailed analysis by the way.
 
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Uzi said:
I get what you're saying, but complying always is NOT the only option, that's a silly thing to assume and it's plain wrong, especially for anyone that has had training for this type of thing. Taking control over a faulty weapon when the situation is suitable could be a life saving decision. You should follow some of John's videos on active self protection. He's a trainer out of Arizona that goes into explaination about the best options for hundreds and hundreds of videos just like this, breaking them down into detail. In this instance the man got lucky as many do, the asshole had short stroked the slide, jammed the gun, the employee complied, gave the money, and got to walk away with his life. Who's to say he wouldn't clear the gun and try to kill him regardless of what his plans were afterwards? He got lucky. These types of situations are never cut and dry simple. Complying can work, but will never leave you with any advantage in a self defense situation. At that point you hope they just don't kill you. Thanks for your detailed analysis by the way.
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I am sure that the employee at a fast food restaurant in almost the majority of the cases is not trained for this.

It's somebody else's money. It is in shored. Most burglars robbers are not going to shoot you holding up the liquor store or the gas station. Most.

Even the large armored car companies don't want their security individuals putting up any kind of a fight.

What its your money and your life do what you feel is best.
 
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Bullet Guy said:
I am sure that the employee at a fast food restaurant in almost the majority of the cases is not trained for this.

It's somebody else's money. It is in shored. Most burglars robbers are not going to shoot you holding up the liquor store or the gas station. Most.

Even the large armored car companies don't want their security individuals putting up any kind of a fight.

What its your money and your life do what you feel is best.
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Like I stated, there are situations where complying are best and really the only option. I think the outcome here is great, however, since there are no guarantees and he was lucky, I'd like to put emphasis on a few things. Instead of just disregarding defending yourself because you think you know already to comply, hopefully I can relay some useful information to anyone. Firstly, there are MANY people, men and women without any training which are able enough to overpower and disarm an attacker in these types of situations with guns and knives. Fortunately, hundreds and hundreds of uploaded videos are on youtube caught on camera pretty much daily of well enough executed self defense from individuals that have no prior training from all parts of the world. On the other side of the token, many videos of people getting killed because they either had no opportunity, misjudged, didn't react or well enough.

The focus is not about the money because it's insured etc. Obviously nobody should have any issues giving him the money or goods, or should die for a fast food job. The point was his opportunity in that video, which doesn't always present itself like shown. He was able to have the ideal opportunity to likely overpower that weapon to disarm him JUST INCASE that dude with the loaded handgun he brought decided to pull the trigger at another time. There was an inoperable malfunctioning firearm stretched over a counter with one hand, EXTREMELY vulnerable to any disarm. It's not about fulfilling an ego or being a hero, it's about smart tactics, situational awareness, and taking advantage of a potentially deadly situation. This is common sense kind of stuff for a defender to be honest. Alter the situation a little bit to where the offender is standing back an extra few feet away with a round in the chamber..... and complying is surely your best option. That however WASN'T the situation. You don't know that guy, you don't know his intentions or past... I'm betting they aren't great either, do you think?

Being a sitting duck is giving the attacker exactly what they want and plan for. They don't want you to defend yourself, and odds are, when they're stupid enough to put a jammed pistol that's out of battery with an extended arm to your head, they're pretty fucking stupid as it is. I'm often reminded of how many people think carrying a gun is good enough, but lack of situational awareness and self defense skills aren't important to them. When the situation arises they don't have a clue what to do. I guess you can turn it around and tell me how much of an "internet jockey" I am though again.
 
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What an idiot lol, I saw this video today and couldn't believe it. Guy could barely rack the slide, and then jams it anyways. Amazing how clear security footage is now as well. Criminals keep getting better and better!
 
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No need to play ninja with a stoned crazy guy pointing a gun to your face.
 
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The cashier was calm because this is probably old hat to him. He's probably been robbed a time or ten, no reason to give a shit.
 
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Uzi said:
Like I stated, there are situations where complying are best and really the only option. I think the outcome here is great, however, since there are no guarantees and he was lucky, I'd like to put emphasis on a few things. Instead of just disregarding defending yourself because you think you know already to comply, hopefully I can relay some useful information to anyone. Firstly, there are MANY people, men and women without any training which are able enough to overpower and disarm an attacker in these types of situations with guns and knives. Fortunately, hundreds and hundreds of uploaded videos are on youtube caught on camera pretty much daily of well enough executed self defense from individuals that have no prior training from all parts of the world. On the other side of the token, many videos of people getting killed because they either had no opportunity, misjudged, didn't react or well enough.

The focus is not about the money because it's insured etc. Obviously nobody should have any issues giving him the money or goods, or should die for a fast food job. The point was his opportunity in that video, which doesn't always present itself like shown. He was able to have the ideal opportunity to likely overpower that weapon to disarm him JUST INCASE that dude with the loaded handgun he brought decided to pull the trigger at another time. There was an inoperable malfunctioning firearm stretched over a counter with one hand, EXTREMELY vulnerable to any disarm. It's not about fulfilling an ego or being a hero, it's about smart tactics, situational awareness, and taking advantage of a potentially deadly situation. This is common sense kind of stuff for a defender to be honest. Alter the situation a little bit to where the offender is standing back an extra few feet away with a round in the chamber..... and complying is surely your best option. That however WASN'T the situation. You don't know that guy, you don't know his intentions or past... I'm betting they aren't great either, do you think?

Being a sitting duck is giving the attacker exactly what they want and plan for. They don't want you to defend yourself, and odds are, when they're stupid enough to put a jammed pistol that's out of battery with an extended arm to your head, they're pretty fucking stupid as it is. I'm often reminded of how many people think carrying a gun is good enough, but lack of situational awareness and self defense skills aren't important to them. When the situation arises they don't have a clue what to do. I guess you can turn it around and tell me how much of an "internet jockey" I am though again.
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That robber is way bigger and probably way stronger than that kid. The kid did the right thing and fighting with him may have gotten him killed.
You are corr Ct and you never know, but most robbers don't just shoot people. You play the odds everyday and in every situation. It does not take long to pull the trigger on a 1911. I do however count on the fact that I am better trained and shoot more often then criminals. This kid however may have never seen a gun or might have known the gun would not fire. I would not fight with some one over money that's not mine unless I think some one will get killed. The guns already drawn and pointed at you that means your at a major disadvantage. If your highly trained it might be easy to take a gun from some one, but I'm not a movie star so I have not done it 1000 times.
 
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I'm going to go ahead an address the "just give him the money, it's not yours anyway" comments that keep popping up.

They are the same as "if you only have $20 on you, why draw your gun!? It's only $20!"

The reason for the draw has never EVER been about the money. Someone made a threat on your LIFE. I don't care if you have a $10k Rolex on, or $0.05 in your pocket. It was NEVER about the money.

I honestly have a big pet peeve about those comments. If you carry to secure your valuables, you are in the wrong mindset.

If someone pulls a gun on you, that is a threat to your LIFE, NOT your money.

How you react should have exactly NOTHING to do with how much cash is in the area.
 
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