Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
.357 is a gimmick too, nothing wrong with the .38 special. 3-D chess mofo!
Robin
Liberty +P defense ammo . Nickel plated Copper bullet.
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Robin
Okay, I'm getting you now. So what we need to do is develop the ultimate cartridge. I have a revolutionary idea. We can get rid of the primer, powder, the case and even the gun itself! What we do is we cast a lead bullet and cast into the base of this revolutionary bullet is a handle. How it works is you hold the bullet by the handle and you slooooowly walk it into the target! See? Brilliant!
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Damn!!!! Pure genius!!! Bout time conflict got back to being up close and personal again! I already got the slooooow part down right good.
Robin
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think poor Robin is starting to realize that the magical powers of the .45 aren't really that magical.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Low end of the .41 mag range. 10mm guns are generally not good carry guns for most. Night stand gun sure, but most don’t want to carry a gun that big. I don’t mind though.
ECU Pirates
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The super is super magical.
10mm
175 gr (11 g) STHP Winchester 1,290 ft/s (390 m/s) 649 ft⋅lbf (880 J)
180 gr (12 g) FMJ Federal 1,300 ft/s (400 m/s) 708 ft⋅lbf (960 J)
155 gr (10 g) TAC-XP Doubletap Ammunition 1,400 ft/s (430 m/s) 675 ft⋅lbf (915 J)
135 gr (9 g) Controlled Expansion Doubletap Ammunition 1,600 ft/s (490 m/s) 768 ft⋅lbf (1,041 J)
230 gr (15 g) Hardcast Solid Doubletap Ammunition 1,150 ft/s (350 m/s) 676 ft⋅lbf (917 J)
.41 Magnum
170 gr (11 g) JHP Cor-Bon 1,275 ft/s (389 m/s) 614 ft⋅lbf (832 J)
210 gr (14 g) JHP 1,560 ft/s (480 m/s) 1,135 ft⋅lbf (1,539 J)
240 gr (16 g) FMJ+P Winchester 1,250 ft/s (380 m/s) 833 ft⋅lbf (1,129 J)
265 gr (17 g) HP-GC Buffalo Bore Heavy 1,350 ft/s (410 m/s) 1,072 ft⋅lbf (1,453 J)
Looks you were right about that hoss. I was thinking the 10mm could get just a bit deeper into .41 Mag territory, but apparently not so much with factory ammo.
For shits n' giggles:
.357 Magnum
125 gr (8 g) JHP Federal 1,450 ft/s (440 m/s) 583 ft⋅lbf (790 J)
158 gr (10 g) JHP Federal 1,240 ft/s (380 m/s) 539 ft⋅lbf (731 J)
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I was talking about the. .45 super but the acp is a fine choice for just about all self defense purposes. For a guy that carries Fmk like will the .45 is the way to go. Haaaaa
.45 Super
185 gr (12 g) JHP 1,300 ft/s (400 m/s) 694 ft⋅lbf (941 J)
200 gr (13 g) JHP 1,200 ft/s (370 m/s) 639 ft⋅lbf (866 J)
230 gr (15 g) FMJ 1,100 ft/s (340 m/s) 618 ft⋅lbf (838 J)
.45 Super ain't nobody's bitch neither. Just about the same as 10mm. But you'd be down a round or two in capacity.
ECU Pirates
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676 energy vs 1078 energy for apples to apples hard cast. That’s a huge difference. It’s not even in the same ball park. I have shot both and an say the 10mm can be fun. The .41 mag loaded hot can be not so fun on the range! Either will drop a deer no problem though.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Not in ny! My hk super holds 10 (or 12 in free states). The 255 gr is what I want to use on deer. It’s not that bad in terms of recoil but should thump a deer.
I'm saying the low end .41 Mags line about up with the high end 10mm loads. That was my point. Well my original point was that I thought nuclear 10mm loads landed midpack among the .41 Mag loads. I was wrong. They dovetail nicely together. The .357 Mag is right along side the 10mm.
Here is the thing though, a Glock 20 gives you 15 rounds of around 700lb-ft per shot of energy in a duty size gun easily and comfortably carried OWB on the hip or out of the way on the chest. The revolvers are going to be heavier and way down on capacity. I still think the Glock 20 is a good "Oh shit bear!" pistol. Particularly in situations where shooting bear is not the objective of the day's activities.
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7.5FK
95 gr (6 g) HP 2,000 ft/s (610 m/s) 880 ft⋅lbf (1,190 J)
That's a spicy meat-a-ball too.
Lightweight projectile but at a 7.5mm nominal diameter its actually hefty for caliber. Question is does it have the sectional density to allow a stoutly constructed bullet to penetrate deep into thick skinned/dangerous game, does it have the mass?
What I was looking for was another magnum class autoloader cartridge that could be feasibly ergonomic in a double stack mag. With rounds like the .460 Rowland and the .45 Winchester Magnum you get even more power than anything listed above but I don't think many people could wrap their mitts around a double stack mags, were they ever developed, for these cartridges.
On that note I thought it would be interesting to include:
7.62x25 Tokarev
5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[2] 376 m/s (1,230 ft/s) 390 J (290 ft⋅lbf)
5.8 g (90 gr) FMJ[2] 409 m/s (1,340 ft/s) 488 J (360 ft⋅lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[3] 469 m/s (1,540 ft/s) 605 J (446 ft⋅lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[4] 497 m/s (1,630 ft/s) 697 J (514 ft⋅lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[4] 482 m/s (1,580 ft/s) 655 J (483 ft⋅lbf)
Zippy as the Tokarev is it's just not in the magnum class. It's very much equivalent to the big 3 standard defensive rounds in terms of energy. But with a flat trajectory and super icepicky terminal ballistics.
95 gr (6 g) HP 2,000 ft/s (610 m/s) 880 ft⋅lbf (1,190 J)
That's a spicy meat-a-ball too.
Lightweight projectile but at a 7.5mm nominal diameter its actually hefty for caliber. Question is does it have the sectional density to allow a stoutly constructed bullet to penetrate deep into thick skinned/dangerous game, does it have the mass?
What I was looking for was another magnum class autoloader cartridge that could be feasibly ergonomic in a double stack mag. With rounds like the .460 Rowland and the .45 Winchester Magnum you get even more power than anything listed above but I don't think many people could wrap their mitts around a double stack mags, were they ever developed, for these cartridges.
On that note I thought it would be interesting to include:
7.62x25 Tokarev
5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[2] 376 m/s (1,230 ft/s) 390 J (290 ft⋅lbf)
5.8 g (90 gr) FMJ[2] 409 m/s (1,340 ft/s) 488 J (360 ft⋅lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[3] 469 m/s (1,540 ft/s) 605 J (446 ft⋅lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[4] 497 m/s (1,630 ft/s) 697 J (514 ft⋅lbf)
5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[4] 482 m/s (1,580 ft/s) 655 J (483 ft⋅lbf)
Zippy as the Tokarev is it's just not in the magnum class. It's very much equivalent to the big 3 standard defensive rounds in terms of energy. But with a flat trajectory and super icepicky terminal ballistics.
ECU Pirates
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7.5k is about what the 7.5fk costs!
Not next year.. they are releasing a polymer version going for about 1,500 and will shoot 7.5, 10mm and 9mm
Know what though? They are doing a polymer frame version for $1,500. 7.5FK caliber but with conversion kits for 9mm and 10mm. Pending cost and availability of the conversion kits I am interested in this.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Link? Now I want one...
ECU Pirates
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It will be mine...assuming it works.
Trust me I want one stupid bad
M'okay...... when they say RMR cut do they mean actually milling the slide specifically for direct mounting an RMR to the slide or do they mean this adapter plate bullshit?
That I'm not sure of but it looks to be on a plate based on that mediocre picture. But I also know that that page is one that would probably clown on someone calling anything other than an RMR and RMR soooo idk
Man, I hate those stupid plates!
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I will be selling some guns to get it. I’m thinning the gears anyway. That could fill many roles.
99% of the time I will agree with you, the one time that I will actually consider mounting plate would actually be the new Agency milling and plates
Especially with the 3 calibers that it can shoot (4 if you run 40stupid through the 10mm barrel)
I thought that was an I'll advised practice?
I'm not even sure how that works since headspace is on the case mouth.
Maybe not recomend but I saw mac did a video on it