Lockport man arrest with scary guns after a traffic stop

[OwnTheRide]

Oh, I have no illusions that this was some upstanding citizen. I am sure society would be better off if they put him under the jail.

What I have a problem with is people who think it's "good policing" to find some pretense to stop and search like this.

That's terrible policing. Absolutely terrible.

Good policing would be to identify a real crime, then investigate it and gather evidence that he committed it, then hunt him down and arrest him.

Trolling for traffic violations and hoping to get lucky by finding a bad guy is absolutely despicable and we as a society should demand better.

Might be some progress coming on this front. In the name of racial equality, though.

NY proposal to ban police from making traffic stops for minor violations

 

[Saltwater60]

Oh, I have no illusions that this was some upstanding citizen. I am sure society would be better off if they put him under the jail.

What I have a problem with is people who think it's "good policing" to find some pretense to stop and search like this.

That's terrible policing. Absolutely terrible.

Good policing would be to identify a real crime, then investigate it and gather evidence that he committed it, then hunt him down and arrest him.

Trolling for traffic violations and hoping to get lucky by finding a bad guy is absolutely despicable and we as a society should demand better.

Totally agree with you there. I also think traffic stops are used to look into things further and most people agree to searches or cops talk them into it. If the guy is a known problem fine dig into it a bit but if not then give me a ticket and move it along. Don’t play games with me.
I just had a ride cop try this because the girl across the street from me her car was backed into. He tried to blame me and say it was my trucks trailer hitch. I said nope truck didn’t move yesterday and my hitch is removed for the winter so it doesn’t rust in there. He kept going so I told him who I thought it was and he was rude. I told him the girl Nextdoor has a camera that sees more than mine and go look at it. He said it had to be one of is or someone that was in my driveway. I said nope truck didn’t, not really because the girl you’re talking about is high all the time and probably didn’t notice it and the guy who cleans the office parking lot of snow probably backed into it. A few days later the snow plow guy was pulling out and his salter lined up to the millimeter. Cop didn’t need to be a jerk to me over it and I should have been rude and told him goodbye but I will run into him at a friends retirement party this week because they are all cops. He comes back the doors getting slammed and I’ll say get a warrant good bye.

 

[Grimscale]

Good policing would be to identify a real crime, then investigate it and gather evidence that he committed it, then hunt him down and arrest him.

Trolling for traffic violations and hoping to get lucky by finding a bad guy is absolutely despicable and we as a society should demand better.

I'm starting to think "society" (most likely just corrupt, tyrannical politicians) WANT the authorities to try to "prevent crime".
That's all this is...a misguided and futile attempt to prevent a crime before it happens. I'm sure we've all seen the movies that detail each and every fault with this viewpoint.

 

[spat]

I'm starting to think "society" (most likely just corrupt, tyrannical politicians) WANT the authorities to try to "prevent crime".
That's all this is...a misguided and futile attempt to prevent a crime before it happens. I'm sure we've all seen the movies that detail each and every fault with this viewpoint.

The other thing that I hear a lot of that both pisses me off and scares me is the media reporting about some *person* being investigated.

Whether it's Hunter, Trump, or even Letitia James.

Investigating people to find a crime is the definition of a police state. "Show me the man and I'll find you the crime" is the mantra of every secret police in history.

In a free society the police investigate a crime to find the person responsible, not the other way around.

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm starting to think "society" (most likely just corrupt, tyrannical politicians) WANT the authorities to try to "prevent crime".
That's all this is...a misguided and futile attempt to prevent a crime before it happens. I'm sure we've all seen the movies that detail each and every fault with this viewpoint.

I mean it’s great if we could prevent crime but we all know the reality in that. It’s not practical or possible in most cases and look how well the FBI does at it. Oh yeah he was on our list and he shot up a parade after he rammed them with a car waving an isis flag, but it wasn’t a terrorist attack. Every once in a while the cops get lucky and I know I’d rather have a robbery prevented than happen to me but it’s unlikely.
Who knows what this guys motivation was or what he was planning. I doubt it was a major event and at best he was a lower level drug dealer or runner. I doubt he was the local kingpin or next Bin Laden as they will possibly make him out to be.

 

[Saltwater60]

The other thing that I hear a lot of that both pisses me off and scares me is the media reporting about some *person* being investigated.

Whether it's Hunter, Trump, or even Letitia James.

Investigating people to find a crime is the definition of a police state. "Show me the man and I'll find you the crime" is the mantra of every secret police in history.

In a free society the police investigate a crime to find the person responsible, not the other way around.

I get it in some cases and in some cases it clears the person. There is an old unsolved murder in my town and someone I know tried to solve it. Turns out the NYSP had a blood sample of the perp that they never did anything with and was likely unable to at the time. They ran it for DNA because technology improved and they had a suspect. Now all they needed was his DNA. Cops investigated him and followed him until he ditched something at a restaurant. They ran the DNA and it didn’t match. I get large crimes being investigated or gang members because if you don’t then they would never get caught and they would have others do their crimes for them.
You referenced political figures for crimes that don’t really impact daily lives of people or ones that are politically motivated and I agree 100% there. Every politician has committed campaign finance crimes becuase they are so complex. Should they all be investigated and charged? No!!
Just like my dealing with my local cop over the girl across the streets car getting hit it was only investigated because her dad works for the city and he went about it the wrong way. I have a ring camera and he could have said did your camera catch anything and he did that. It didn’t because it was across the street and then he could have said did any of you by chance see something or back into her car by mistake? Instead he went all crazy accusing me and my wife without any facts or knowledge because he made assumptions. He assumed the girl was telling the truth or accurate and she was not. He assumed my trailer hitch was on my truck, wrong again, he assumed that my truck even left my driveway that day and he was wrong again. I told him what to do to follow up and who likely did it but he assumed too much and missed the mark. He also went over and similarly harassed my neighbor who just had back surgery and she proved I was correct and the damage was there prior to her parking the car in front of my home. The young lady smokes a ton of weed and probably got into her car high and it was windy and cold so she missed the damage. He lacked knowing she parks her car in an office across the street and the day before it snowed and the damage matched up perfectly to the guys salter on the back of his truck. So investigations can both ways. Done properly if innocent can clear a person and if done incorrectly can cause a lack of trust with cops and prevent the cop from seeing the truth.
I ended up telling a friend who knows this girls dad what happened and who hit her car then 3-weeks later her car was fixed and her dad has been really nice to me. I’m assuming my information was valuable and if the cop would have listened and came back to apologize I’d be fine with it. Now he’s on my list of if I drive by and he’s losing a fight I won’t be stepping out to change that. I hope it never happens to him but he was extremely rude and then my wife pulled in the driveway and he was questioning her even though her could not have done the damage because it’s way too low and that’s why he asked me about my truck. No paint transfer either so the stainless steel salt spreader makes sense and how the metal was creased. Turns out I’m a better investigator without the time to think about it than this cop. The last few interactions with cops I have had have been negative so yeah investigations aren’t always worth it especially for minor stuff or things that cannot possibly be proven. Yet cops want to make names for themselves.

 

[Robin]

Why use a word when a paragraph will do.
Robin

 

[spat]

I get it in some cases and in some cases it clears the person. There is an old unsolved murder in my town and someone I know tried to solve it. Turns out the NYSP had a blood sample of the perp that they never did anything with and was likely unable to at the time. They ran it for DNA because technology improved and they had a suspect. Now all they needed was his DNA. Cops investigated him and followed him until he ditched something at a restaurant. They ran the DNA and it didn’t match. I get large crimes being investigated or gang members because if you don’t then they would never get caught and they would have others do their crimes for them.
You referenced political figures for crimes that don’t really impact daily lives of people or ones that are politically motivated and I agree 100% there. Every politician has committed campaign finance crimes becuase they are so complex. Should they all be investigated and charged? No!!
Just like my dealing with my local cop over the girl across the streets car getting hit it was only investigated because her dad works for the city and he went about it the wrong way. I have a ring camera and he could have said did your camera catch anything and he did that. It didn’t because it was across the street and then he could have said did any of you by chance see something or back into her car by mistake? Instead he went all crazy accusing me and my wife without any facts or knowledge because he made assumptions. He assumed the girl was telling the truth or accurate and she was not. He assumed my trailer hitch was on my truck, wrong again, he assumed that my truck even left my driveway that day and he was wrong again. I told him what to do to follow up and who likely did it but he assumed too much and missed the mark. He also went over and similarly harassed my neighbor who just had back surgery and she proved I was correct and the damage was there prior to her parking the car in front of my home. The young lady smokes a ton of weed and probably got into her car high and it was windy and cold so she missed the damage. He lacked knowing she parks her car in an office across the street and the day before it snowed and the damage matched up perfectly to the guys salter on the back of his truck. So investigations can both ways. Done properly if innocent can clear a person and if done incorrectly can cause a lack of trust with cops and prevent the cop from seeing the truth.
I ended up telling a friend who knows this girls dad what happened and who hit her car then 3-weeks later her car was fixed and her dad has been really nice to me. I’m assuming my information was valuable and if the cop would have listened and came back to apologize I’d be fine with it. Now he’s on my list of if I drive by and he’s losing a fight I won’t be stepping out to change that. I hope it never happens to him but he was extremely rude and then my wife pulled in the driveway and he was questioning her even though her could not have done the damage because it’s way too low and that’s why he asked me about my truck. No paint transfer either so the stainless steel salt spreader makes sense and how the metal was creased. Turns out I’m a better investigator without the time to think about it than this cop. The last few interactions with cops I have had have been negative so yeah investigations aren’t always worth it especially for minor stuff or things that cannot possibly be proven. Yet cops want to make names for themselves.

I am fine with your initial example, because they started with a crime and then developed a suspect based on evidence they found while investing the crime. That's perfectly reasonable.

As for the cop and the salter incident, yea, some of them get an idea in their head based on what amounts to a guess and then they latch on to that trying to prove it and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

A proper investigation would set out to *disprove* the theory and only pursue it if they can't.

We all know that everything they went after Trump for, they *started* with the man, then searched high and low for something to charge him with. That's what's wrong.

I see the pretextual traffic stops the same way. They picked some guy and decided to see if there was something they could get him on.

 

[Zerex]

It was 100% a great stop.............this trash was, well---TRASH.

From now on after he gets out, he can then buy guns AND DRUGS, illegally...just like before............. so what are you bitching about?

 

[Robin]

With the cops they're hiring these days, maybe they'll figure, just by their grand, unbiased, and learned life experiences that you are trash Zerex. You know, nothing to with pesky things like constitutions and stuff. There has been a shift in the universe.
Robin

 

[Acer-m14]

to prevent crime you put a lock on your shed / house ..

to stop crime you shoot the person picking/cutting the lock ..

and that is how its done ..

 

[Saltwater60]

I am fine with your initial example, because they started with a crime and then developed a suspect based on evidence they found while investing the crime. That's perfectly reasonable.

As for the cop and the salter incident, yea, some of them get an idea in their head based on what amounts to a guess and then they latch on to that trying to prove it and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

A proper investigation would set out to *disprove* the theory and only pursue it if they can't.

We all know that everything they went after Trump for, they *started* with the man, then searched high and low for something to charge him with. That's what's wrong.

I see the pretextual traffic stops the same way. They picked some guy and decided to see if there was something they could get him on.

For sure on the Trump thing and that’s why I referenced political motivations and investigations.
The thing about the cop is he didn’t ask the right questions or look at the evidence right in front of him. I used to like cops but I’m starting to think that’s solely because I knew all them and never really experienced true cops. Now that the cops I know are retiring and new ones are coming on I’m starting to like them less and less. Not all of them and some are still good cops and good people. I was told this cop has an odd personality and that’s just how he is but unfortunately that makes him rude in my eyes and a bad cop.
The last investigation I was involved with I asked for a police report to verify my statements were accurately reported and they were extremely paraphrased and put into a negative light for whom I was speaking about. I don’t know if the crime happened or not but I reported what I knew and saw yet it was not reported accurately. Took weeks to get the report with many unreturned phone calls. I had to reach out to a personally known contact to get it and it shouldn’t be that way.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

For sure on the Trump thing and that’s why I referenced political motivations and investigations.
The thing about the cop is he didn’t ask the right questions or look at the evidence right in front of him. I used to like cops but I’m starting to think that’s solely because I knew all them and never really experienced true cops. Now that the cops I know are retiring and new ones are coming on I’m starting to like them less and less. Not all of them and some are still good cops and good people. I was told this cop has an odd personality and that’s just how he is but unfortunately that makes him rude in my eyes and a bad cop.
The last investigation I was involved with I asked for a police report to verify my statements were accurately reported and they were extremely paraphrased and put into a negative light for whom I was speaking about. I don’t know if the crime happened or not but I reported what I knew and saw yet it was not reported accurately. Took weeks to get the report with many unreturned phone calls. I had to reach out to a personally known contact to get it and it shouldn’t be that way.

Written complaints on record against bad cops will follow a bad cops career wherever they go. Just make sure you copy & certify it when delivered so that they can`t hide it or say that it never happened. Have your lawyer deliver it. We live in a time, now, where trust no longer exists, as you already know.

 

[Zerex]

There are no natural rights.

That ended more than 10,000 years ago when the first Chief/Kings men, became the cops of the day.
Bleack days for sovereigns since then.......Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Romans, Muslims, Euro Kings.........
The Magna Carta allowed Nobles to keep threir swords, but not sovereigns.
The unwritten Social Contract creates the police power i the hands of the ruler.

Our 2nd amendment was a restriction upon firearm ownership................if not, no such amendment would have been necessary...................guns were restricted to people---- who were NOT criminals, Tories, women, slaves and Indians.

All such natural rights, beyond the right to eat, breathe and shit are are in the hands of the Feds and State Governments.......LAWS, RULES, VIOLATIONS, FELONIES, MISDEMEANORS, TAXES, REGULATIONS.ALL LEGAL, but not sovereign citizens, imagined rights

 

[Robin]

Claptrap!
Robin

 

[Zerex]

Where am I wrong, sir.

 

[Robin]

It would be like trying to convince some people that the world is not flat. From concept to details, where does one begin.
Robin

 

[Zerex]

The unfortunate idea, that "natural laws", eclipse all the USA Fed and State laws is simply preposterous. there is not one example of natural laws, that anyone can list, that proves otherwise, anywhere..............only thugs and gang warfare, that are always being fought.

Cops do the best they can and have for 10,000 years..................people have to stay in line or get the cops.

Our Constitution was ratified by t he American People..creating US citizens and the Republic's structure and BOR's and Police Power...............what is not restricted to the Fed Gov, is left to the States, and after that the citizens.

The former Articles of Confederation was a mess, and created a situation of lawlessness, that the voters voted against.......

All so called natural laws, are imaginary.. Such crazy laws never existed anyway, but for neanderthals, 200,000 years ago.