More proof as to why I carry!

[Defilade]

It would be so easy for the anit-gun people's argument to be squashed if they were to watch this you tube channel which really exposes the need to carry at all times..Look at this crap. There has been a trend now to steel cell phones because everyone has one. You might be a bad ass if you think but when out numbered like this, you are nothing.

 

[Steal2B]

Violent packs like this prove why full capacity magazines are needed for self defense. FUAC and all your kind.

 

[masterswimmer]

The scary part watching that disgusting group of animals masquerading as humans is there is probably at least one gun concealed upon them. At what point would the use of deadly force have been appropriate? When the first guy tried to take his phone? I don't think so. Things escalated to a mob beatdown real quick. Do you brandish yet? Does this escalate it to a gun fight? Does more than one have a gun?

That was some scary shit right there.

 

[Blimey]

The scary part watching that disgusting group of animals masquerading as humans is there is probably at least one gun concealed upon them. At what point would the use of deadly force have been appropriate? When the first guy tried to take his phone? I don't think so. Things escalated to a mob beatdown real quick. Do you brandish yet? Does this escalate it to a gun fight? Does more than one have a gun?

That was some scary shit right there.

Legally I'm not sure. I think he could have made an attempt to flee as he should have done, backing up while ready to draw and make it clear he was going to defend himself. If somebody is actively trying to rob you, surely you're not supposed to take that.

If the races in this video were reversed this wouldn't be the first we're hearing about it. This instantly became black vs white and he should have known it would be a half dozen people happy to beat him into the hospital.

Now back to my first paragraph, had this guy been armed and used his gun, after the first person down everybody else would have run, and then he would have been arrested for killing a nice young boy (that is, without video which made it clear he was the victim of a mob beating).

 

[masterswimmer]

Legally I'm not sure. I think he could have made an attempt to flee as he should have done, backing up while ready to draw and make it clear he was going to defend himself. If somebody is actively trying to rob you, surely you're not supposed to take that.

If the races in this video were reversed this wouldn't be the first we're hearing about it. This instantly became black vs white and he should have known it would be a half dozen people happy to beat him into the hospital.

Now back to my first paragraph, had this guy been armed and used his gun, after the first person down everybody else would have run, and then he would have been arrested for killing a nice young boy (that is, without video which made it clear he was the victim of a mob beating).

The problem I have is knowing what the right moment was to draw. He stood up and attempted to leave when he was blindsided and coldcocked by someone he didn't know was part of the mob.

Now back to my first paragraph, had this guy been armed and used his gun, after the first person down everybody else would have run, and then he would have been arrested for killing a nice young boy (that is, without video which made it clear he was the victim of a mob beating).

Based on your statement he would have shot the first guy, killing him as you said, who knows if the others run and not shot back. And, there would have been no video of a beatdown because it ended that part of the attack before it got that far, but you shot the guy already.

In all seriousness, when would have been the right legal time to defend yourself with deadly physical force?

@Airborneguy
@GOPerfect

 

[Criticalt]

First of all, I dont care about laws, or cameras, or anything else. If you attck me like that, someone is getting shot....period.
Ive only seen stuff like this when someone falls in the gorilla compound at the zoo, very violent.
On that note, is this victim a badass or are these animals just weaklings?
Im not even a badass but if I hit someone as many times as these thugs hit this guy, the victim would be in trouble.
I think its a bit of both. Most people dont know how to punch or kick so alot of the scary looking hits dont hurt very much.
Anyways, in a situation like this, I would not hesitate to neutralize the situation and try to swing the power back my way.

 

[Airborneguy]

I’m driving down south, I can’t really watch this now.

If you shoot someone who is unarmed, you really better be prepared to articulate an immediate perceived threat to your life. I know of two cops nearly charged in incidents where armed perps dropped their weapons as they were shot and attempts were made to classify the perp as unarmed.

Scary times we live in. Perps are celebrated and encouraged. Good people and cops are the devil.

 

[GOPerfect]

Working now, when I get home, I will opine.

It will be more of a personal response.

 

[ECU Pirates]

A bunch of guys of one race beating one guy if a different race. Why was this nit all over the news? Oh I know why....

 

[masterswimmer]

Working now, when I get home, I will opine.

It will be more of a personal response.

I'd be interested in both personal and professional opines.

 

[masterswimmer]

A bunch of guys of one race beating one guy if a different race. Why was this nit all over the news? Oh I know why....

It's not a racial attack when it occurs as seen.

 

[ECU Pirates]

It's not a racial attack when it occurs as seen.

The media seems to agree.

 

[masterswimmer]

The media seems to agree.

I was being facetious, however the media absolutely embraces this misguided narrative.

 

[fresch]

Too bad none of those people can act for themselves only monkey see monkey do mentality.

 

[ECU Pirates]

I was being facetious, however the media absolutely embraces this misguided narrative.

I know!

 

[togmaster]

This guy put himself in a bad spot. I'm not saying it's his fault but this could have been a avoided with better situational awareness. WTF was he doing sitting there in the middle of a pack of animals with his nose in his cell phone?

 

[Doc8404]

Why would you put yourself in that position?

Just stupid thinking his white ass belongs there.

Sorry. Truth hurts.

And as far as when to shoot? As soon as he feared for his life. Aka second strike.

Done.

 

[Celt]

The scary part watching that disgusting group of animals masquerading as humans is there is probably at least one gun concealed upon them. At what point would the use of deadly force have been appropriate? When the first guy tried to take his phone? I don't think so. Things escalated to a mob beatdown real quick. Do you brandish yet? Does this escalate it to a gun fight? Does more than one have a gun?

That was some scary shit right there.

Disparity of force, DPF would be justified when he was being attacked by them. It would be reasonable to assume they are looking to commit serious bodily injury.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Why would you put yourself in that position?

Just stupid thinking his white ass belongs there.

Sorry. Truth hurts.

And as far as when to shoot? As soon as he feared for his life. Aka second strike.

Done.

Yep. Someone could have shot to save his dumbass after the flower pots were thrown and the bike ran him over. That was quite the spectacle.

 

[dwa12479]

Fucking. Animals. All I have to say there.

 

[ECU Pirates]

This guy put himself in a bad spot. I'm not saying it's his fault but this could have been a avoided with better situational awareness. WTF was he doing sitting there in the middle of a pack of animals with his nose in his cell phone?

Prob a sociology student trying to prove crime stats in cities are made up.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

People die from being punched. It happens.

Shouldn't getting punched, and blindsided by someone or a group be construed as your life in danger?

One punch can kill you on impact. Or you can be knocked out and hit your head on something as you fall and die or end up with permanent brain damage

 

[S&W Fan]

Too bad none of those people can act for themselves only monkey see monkey do mentality.

That’s what monkeys do.

People die from being punched. It happens.

Shouldn't getting punched, and blindsided by someone or a group be construed as your life in danger?

One punch can kill you on impact. Or you can be knocked out and hit your head on something as you fall and die or end up with permanent brain damage

More madness, these fucking monkeys are out of control. Teens kill man in random attack at town fair, police say

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

That’s what monkeys do.


More madness, these fucking monkeys are out of control. Teens kill man in random attack at town fair, police say

"Police arrested two teenagers who are accused of fatally punching a man in what investigators are calling a random and unprovoked attack"



Just made my 2 posts above point for me. It happens way more often than people realize.


At what point does being unprovoked punched Justify using deadly force to defend yourself?

 

[Criticalt]

Why would you put yourself in that position?

Just stupid thinking his white ass belongs there.

Sorry. Truth hurts.

And as far as when to shoot? As soon as he feared for his life. Aka second strike.

Done.

I agree with you here.
But, the guy should be able to sit where he wants without being brutally beaten.
They could have talked shit, or made fun of him, but nope, they went straight to strong armed robbery and brutal violent assault.

If you and 6 of your friend were sitting around and a black guy walked over and sat down, would you guys beat him?
And remember, according to EVERYONE you are the violent racist.
The mentally it takes to become this violent makes these thugs unfit to be in society.

 

[Criticalt]

I’m driving down south, I can’t really watch this now.

If you shoot someone who is unarmed, you really better be prepared to articulate an immediate perceived threat to your life. I know of two cops nearly charged in incidents where armed perps dropped their weapons as they were shot and attempts were made to classify the perp as unarmed.

Scary times we live in. Perps are celebrated and encouraged. Good people and cops are the devil.

I think if you see the video you may agree this guy had the justification to use deadly force.
Multiple soccer kicks to the head and face. Several 2 foot stomps on the stomach, 2 huge flower pots smashed on his head, ran over with a bicycle, dozens of punches to the head, clothes stripped off, a body slam.......
Even if a activist prosecutor charged him with murder, any 2nd year law student should be able to prove to a jury that this guy was in fear for his life.

 

[masterswimmer]

I think if you see the video you may agree this guy had the justification to use deadly force.
Multiple soccer kicks to the head and face. Several 2 foot stomps on the stomach, 2 huge flower pots smashed on his head, ran over with a bicycle, dozens of punches to the head, clothes stripped off, a body slam.......
Even if a activist prosecutor charged him with murder, any 2nd year law student should be able to prove to a jury that this guy was in fear for his life.

I agree with your assessment in its totality. The problem I'm having is WHEN during the vicious attack does it become ok to use DPF?

The flower pots and bicycle were towards the end of the attack. Clearly the guy would have been stripped of his gun before that when the animals ripped his clothes off.

The initial coldcock that put him down was towards the beginning. It rendered him immobile for a short spell. Drawing while on the ground probably would have ended even worse for the guy.

Listen, I've never been military trained. My questions are legitimate concerns. I'm not asking if the guy would have been justified by the time the bicycle rode over him. Obviously by that time he would have thought they were going to kill him, if he had any conscious thoughts still going through his head. I'm asking, when it was apparent that DPF would be ok to defend himself?

This attack escalated from him thinking only one guy was trying to take his phone to a mob attacking him with a coldcock punch that took him out of the fight real quick.

If an answer can be provided by viewing the video and offering a time stamp of when brandishing would be a legitimate response, that would be helpful.

 

[Criticalt]

I agree with your assessment in its totality. The problem I'm having is WHEN during the vicious attack does it become ok to use DPF?

The flower pots and bicycle were towards the end of the attack. Clearly the guy would have been stripped of his gun before that when the animals ripped his clothes off.

The initial coldcock that put him down was towards the beginning. It rendered him immobile for a short spell. Drawing while on the ground probably would have ended even worse for the guy.

Listen, I've never been military trained. My questions are legitimate concerns. I'm not asking if the guy would have been justified by the time the bicycle rode over him. Obviously by that time he would have thought they were going to kill him, if he had any conscious thoughts still going through his head. I'm asking, when it was apparent that DPF would be ok to defend himself?

This attack escalated from him thinking only one guy was trying to take his phone to a mob attacking him with a coldcock punch that took him out of the fight real quick.

If an answer can be provided by viewing the video and offering a time stamp of when brandishing would be a legitimate response, that would be helpful.

Thats the thing in these situations, when is the right time?
From the video, that cant really be answered.
If there was sound maybe we could answer this.
Were the attackers saying "we gonna kill you motherfucka". Or were they telling their friends to not let the victim get away. Both of those situations would help his case.
In my opinion, living where I do in a very conservative area, I think after the robbery and the blindside punch with others starting to attack would be the appropriate time to defend yourself.
Again, my point in this thread is the fact that im not going to be killed by these animals.
Id rather go to court and fight for my freedom rather than be dead or paralyzed.
Remember, you can defend yourself from serious bodily injury also, not just death.

 

[masterswimmer]

Thats the thing in these situations, when is the right time?
From the video, that cant really be answered.
If there was sound maybe we could answer this.
Were the attackers saying "we gonna kill you motherfucka". Or were they telling their friends to not let the victim get away. Both of those situations would help his case.
In my opinion, living where I do in a very conservative area, I think after the robbery and the blindside punch with others starting to attack would be the appropriate time to defend yourself.
Again, my point in this thread is the fact that im not going to be killed by these animals.
Id rather go to court and fight for my freedom rather than be dead or paralyzed.
Remember, you can defend yourself from serious bodily injury also, not just death.

I get it. So with a video as evidence, albeit no audio, we still can't pinpoint a justifiable time to draw and fire.

This guy was in a virtually no win situation.

It would help to know where this took place. If the guy put himself into a bad situation by isolating himself in a deserted area (looked urban but who knows) and was suddenly surrounded then his situational awareness was zero. If he was in an area that was bustling with foot traffic then he probably felt more secure.

Either way there was obviously no reason he should have to be concerned with his safety. But that's society today. He needed to unbury his face from his phone and observe.

 

[BuffNiag]

Looking around at news articles, I guess this was happening all summer in Minneapolis. There is a video of another brutal attack on YT. Animals is the only word to describe it.