More real life experiences on handguns
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I agree with you. Think about it logically. If you a criminal and you get shot you go to the hospital and your caught red handed. Also if the way you make money is to rob and steal if your shot or in jail that’s pretty hard to do. Most criminals don’t want a fight. They select targets because they think they are easy. That doesn’t mean that Ed’s off his rocker and there are not people out there that are high or crazy and just keep on coming at you.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I think he dead.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Is that an uzi or are you happy to see me?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
For me it would be the highest capacity in a concealable package of a proven caliber. That's the Glock 26 for me. 11 rounds of 9mm in about the same footprint as a 6 shot revolver.
No more, not even in good fun. Tired of taking it from pieces of shit on this board and not being able to respond in kind. I’m here for hunting and some technical gun discussions. I meant it. Sorry.
For me it would be the highest capacity in a concealable package of a proven caliber. That's the Glock 26 for me. 11 rounds of 9mm in about the same footprint as a 6 shot revolver.
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As you know I too am a fan of the G26 because of the capacity and size, the p365 is looking interesting also . But I also like the 5 shot j-frame revolvers depending on the needed method of carry. The small light 380 has a place too.
According to the theory a G19 would be better than a G26, maybe some believe a larger pistol would be shoot better. Maybe some night I will shoot a G26 back to back with a G19 and see.
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
It seems threads like this always ends up.in a pissing match. I take it all like a grain of salt. You are not going to change someone's thought on these subjects and some of the guys get a little butt hurt.
Some of this makes me laugh. It's all good.
Some of this makes me laugh. It's all good.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Pretty sure I wasn't part of this. I simply repeated a phrase I'd heard many times before regarding why people carry. If I offended, it wasn't intentional.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
where is the cal and ammo for sale .. this will drop a perp on PCP or Free Obummer Care .. in one shot .. ??
sir you have a 3000 psi bomb on your back LOL ..
I just scare people off with my enormous...
... Weight.
sir you have a 3000 psi bomb on your back LOL ..
Nothing to do with you.
96coal449
.308 Win
Stay proud @Airborneguy. Your liked and respected by me and others here as well.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
And donuts these days are expensive
For me it would be the highest capacity in a concealable package of a proven caliber. That's the Glock 26 for me. 11 rounds of 9mm in about the same footprint as a 6 shot revolver.
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Actually that 6 shot revolver has a noticeably smaller footprint. But people should carry what they're comfortable with.
I don't have any theoretical problem with someone carry a CCW, self-defense oriented revolver. The main issues to be aware of:
- Revolvers have a very different manual of arms from semi-auto pistols...people need to practice to be safe.
- Some cartridges (.38 special) do very well in short-barreled revolvers. With others (.357 magnum and up) you're dealing with a lot more recoil and decreased muzzle velocity; 4-5" seem to be a decent compromise for the magnum cartridges, but that length is not conducive to CCW.
If you want to carry a fullsized pistol chambered in 9mm or .40s&w with 2 extra magazines, that's fine too. Nothing wrong with overkill, so long as its practical and safe. But the mentality that you have to carry a certain type of pistol chambered in a certain caliber or else it's not worth it is just naive.
Like I said earlier, you can load up to +P if you really want the extra energy.
Also, I never did say that .38 special was ballistically better than 9mm; I simply said that it was adequate for self-defense.
Adequate should not he in the same sentence as self-defense
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Except for the times that there are more than one assailant or you miss or the assailant is operating a vehicle or shooting up a church with a 30 Rd magazine. Sure. More times than one it's only 1 or 2 shots. But what about the times that 1 or 2 isn't enough?
Failure to plan for that just in case is just the same as leaving it at home because more times than one you'll never need it anyway.
Self-defense should not be confused with going to war.
.38 special is more than capable of killing an aggressor at close range...and if we're talking about a realistic self-defense situation, not some John-Wick wannabe gun battle that I'm sure some on here fantasize about, lethality at close range should be more than enough to handle the situation.
I'm not arguing that .38 special is the best self-defense cartridge, but it certainly does work and it is practical for situations where small, easily-concealed pistols are needed (like CCW). A lot of undercover LE relied on .38 special...I'm not sure why people have become so dismissive of it as of late.
You did say "six-shot," correct?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. I said 1 or 2. And you keep saying going to war. Do cops go to war when they have to fire 8 or 9 shots at one person shooting at them?
Your earlier post pointed out how a six shot revolver supposedly wouldn't work in a scenario where more than 1-2 shots are needed...my counterpoint is that if you have a 6-shot revolver, then you have the ability to take more then 2 shots, if needed.
Most people on here commenting about CCW preferences are not cops. In fact, most people who CCW will never have to use their weapons in a deadly-force scenario. If you're a civilian taking more than 2 shots in a self-defense situation, either shit has really hit the fan or you're going to have a lot of explaining to do when the cops show up.
CCW with any pistol is an inherent compromise; it trades off some lethality for better practicality. I've gone most of my life without CCW. Even with a pistol permit, I'm not carrying more often than I am. If I truly felt that .38 special pistol would be inadequate for self-defense going into a certain area, I would take that as a sign that I should stop going into that area....a slightly more powerful cartridge and a few more rounds doesn't necessarily make me safer.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Is this the quote that you are referring to?
If so, does it not show that 5 or 6 is not enough based on the OP's video? Where those women at war or where they in situations that a police officer wouldn't be in? Do you have to be a police officer to be in a situation like that?
As far as the rest of your post saying what you don't need, it doesn't mean that my life and circumstances are the same as yours. Maybe I find myself in worse neighborhoods more often than you. Maybe I find myself in cities where you find yourself in more rural areas. Maybe I find myself in large shopping areas more often than you. Maybe I work nights and you're retired. Maybe I take public transportation and you are safe in your truck.
You can't assume that what's good for you is good for all.
Depick
.308 Win
To me this is another area where one should keep it simple. Use the firearm you are most proficient with. Create distance between yourself and an aggressor. And as others have stated shot placement is key.
No, I was referring to this quote:
The OP referenced an article, not a video, about a cop conducting a traffic-stop with a dangerous criminal who probably didn't want to go to jail. Most CCW civilians, though they may encounter criminals from time to time, are unlikely to find themselves in a similar situation. And if they do encounter a criminal with ill-intent, they're only allowed to use deadly force if they have no other alternative (like fleeing from the situation). I'm sure there is plenty that can be learned from that story, but let's stop pretending that CCW civilians are going to encounter and handle these situations in the same manner that a cop would.
I never told anyone else what they "don't need." I was pointing out that claims about how certain cartridges and certain pistols are "inadequate" for self-defense are BS. If someone wants to CCW with a fullsized 9mm or even a 10mm with 2 extra mags, have at it.
As for all the extenuating circumstances you brought up: I very much doubt they apply to you or most on this forum. If they do, I'd say there are more important decisions to be made over firearm/caliber selection. I live in a city and go into other cities all the time. I visit large shopping areas frequently. I use public transport. I'm out at night by myself. Most of those times, I've been unarmed. There is no substitute for good decision making and situational awareness. If you're worried about encountering an increased danger during your regular day, then you're either seeing threats where none exist or you need to re-evaluate your habits and life choices....because "upgrading" from a .38 special to a 9mm pistol isn't going to magically make that danger go away.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I have no words for your response other than the OP posted a video and a Glock 26 isn't a full sized gun.
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The original post contained a link to an article discussing a shootout between a police officer and a dangerous criminal.
I don't have any issue with someone carrying a Glock 26 or whatever firearm/caliber is convenient and practical for their specific situation.
I do have a problem with the internet know-it-all's who claim that its pointless or stupid to carry a pistol that contains anything less than x rounds chambered in anything smaller than y caliber.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Did not the OP post a video?
No one said it's pointless or stupid in the quote that offended you. Comments were made about higher calibers with larger capacity. If you look at my post that turned you all defensive, I said, "For me it would be the highest capacity in a concealable package of a proven caliber. That's the Glock 26 for me. 11 rounds of 9mm in about the same footprint as a 6 shot revolver."
I never once mentioned a full size handgun and I never once mentioned for everyone. I said "for me." I don't understand why that post got your panties in a twist.
I did say however that it isn't a good idea in a later post in reference to the video as evidenced by the video.
And back to your other comments about your feeling the need to not carry in certain situations, that's fine. If it works for you, that's great. But don't insinuate that because it works for you it works for me. It has nothing to do with being paranoid, seeing things that aren't there, or having bad situational awareness. That's ridiculous. Of all the shootings that have taken more than five or six rounds, were those involved paranoid? We're those 2 women in the video paranoid? What if there were two assailants instead of one?
Who wouldn't want to carry a firearm that's the same size as revolver that carries 11 rounds instead of 5 or 6? You maybe? Not me. It's called being prepared and giving yourself the best possible chances.
I guess your argument is also that I shouldn't have a 30 round magazine for home defense either. All I need is a five-round hunting magazine because I'm paranoid right?
And since you're on the internet and claiming that no one needs a certain number for self-defense, does that make you a internet know it all or are you talking from experience?
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Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I win
There were some pretty overt insinuations that certain calibers are not ideal for self-defense....go re-read some of the earlier posts I responded to and refresh your memory.
I have no problem with people having a prepared mindset and carrying what they're comfortable with....I've said that numerous times. I'm not in favor of any sort of magazine limits. So long as people are responsible and informed, they can own and carry whatever firearm suits their needs/wants.
I do think its stupid to use police shootings and encounters as a baseline for CCW setup's and tactics. Cops are a whole lot more likely to get in pro-longed shoot-out's with criminals because it's their job to find and remove those people from the streets. Civilians are obligated, at least in this state, to get away from dangerous situations and refrain from violence unless they have no other alternative. So the idea that you, as CCW permit holder, are going to need to shoot more than a few rounds in a realistic self-defense situation is far-fetched. These situations where civilians have to shoot more than 5-6 rounds are more based on fantasy than reality....that doesn't mean they can't happen, but if most people are honest with themselves, the likelihood of such an encounter is very low and they're unlikely to need more than 6 rounds. Again, they can carry as many rounds as they want, but some of these discussions about needing more than 8 rounds, doing reloads, ect. are more based on fantasy than reality for the average citizen.
I've never once told someone else that they shouldn't carry a certain type of firearm or caliber or certain magazine capacity. So I really don't think I'm being aggressive or antagonist towards anyone in that regard.
Also, the 6-shot revolver in your picture is noticeably smaller than the Glock 26. That may be why someone would prefer to carry a revolver instead of a semi-auto pistol. Historically, and even in modern times, low-capacity revolvers have been relied upon as CCW or backup firearms for that very reason.