spat
.700 Nitro Express
I checked. It's a misdemeanor there for a 17 year old except while hunting or at a range.
Not sure how strictly they interpret that though.
Multiple rioters shot in Kenosha by armed citizens.
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Not sure how strictly they interpret that though.
Elwood
.223 Rem
I just want to be left alone to live peacefully.
Toecutter
.308 Win
This is awesome.
probably very strict when you shoot 3 people
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ftfy
They got him up on murder 1. If you think they aren't going to enforce unlawful carry you must have bumped your head.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Getting him on unlawful carry (which, shouldn't even be a thing regardless) I understand. But murder 1? Doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe they're starting big assuming they'll end up with a small charge.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
This boy has some trouble coming his way I'm afraid.
Wisconsin Legislature: 948.60
948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1) In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2)
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(2) (c) Class H felony..
IMO the riots are a bolster for Trump. Independents and swing voters certainly don't like what they perceive as unfair policing. However, what they like less is seeing their towns looted, vandalized, and burned. The Democrat response to hamstring the police to deal with this is not good for them.
*** I say the above as an independent myself, while I certainly can't claim to speak for all independents, others I know that are similar in political alignment feel more or less the same.
*** I say the above as an independent myself, while I certainly can't claim to speak for all independents, others I know that are similar in political alignment feel more or less the same.
Class A Misd. as I read it. Not the end of the world.This boy has some trouble coming his way I'm afraid.
Wisconsin Legislature: 948.60
docs.legis.wisconsin.gov
948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1) In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2)
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(2) (c) Class H felony..
Part B and C relate to loaning a gun to someone. Does not apply here to him.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ive had my head bumped/lumped/crashed/etc... plenty of times, but i still fully expect the soros backed DAs to prosecute any patriot that needs to use self defense while allowing violent animals to commit countless acts of terrorism. They want to punish anyone that doesnt support their agenda while emasculating the current and future generation of men to the point of being nothing more than sperm donors. Then, and only then do they believe there will be no "road blocks" to stop their complete take over.
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
To the question about which side will they crack down on when people start fighting back, well I guess we have our answer. It's okay to riot, loot, commit arson, beat up old men and a host of other felonious crimes, but fight to protect yourself against those felons and you're a murderer.
Robin
Robin
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Well said. It’s hard to say what happened leading up to the moment he was shot and we will never get the truth.
I know I will still defend myself and my family. What other choice is there? Death in this case? I’m sure they would have taken the gun and shot him and others. Kid should not have been there. Let this be a lesson to all of us and avoid this shit unless It comes to your doorstep.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
There's a reason the rattlesnake was the first choice for a symbol of the US. It strikes when provoked only. It doesn't explicitly look for trouble, but you definitely don't want to be on the receiving end of it.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Same
I would think you would want it to fragment and tumble. Unless you plan on a heavily armored home invader.
With the evidence on tv of thugs wearing body armor as they rape, pillage and burn, green tips seem appropriate for HD.
I would think a pass through with injury or death to others in the home would be much more likely. I'll take my soft points and go for a face/head/groin shot if need be.
Ehh not too worried about it in any case.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Bullets since inception were designed to pass through. No one would have a word to say if a .308 is used with full metal jacket ammunition.
Overpenetration is a myth. Before fragmenting and hollow point bullets were available, almost every bullet passed through. There wasn’t a nationwide epidemic back them. But somehow there is one now.
Overpenetration is a myth. Before fragmenting and hollow point bullets were available, almost every bullet passed through. There wasn’t a nationwide epidemic back them. But somehow there is one now.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Photo shows Kyle may have been shot at before killing red shirt man. and you can hear shots going off before redshirt man is dropped.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Saw this elsewhere. Posted for your reading pleasure (emphasis mine). Full statutes linked below.
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
939.48(2)(a)(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
docs.legis.wisconsin.gov
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
939.48(2)(a)(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
Wisconsin Legislature: 939.48
For sufficient coverage there is nothing like a 12GA Shotgun with Buckshot.
A Bullet-Proof vest cannot cover every inch.
A Bullet-Proof vest cannot cover every inch.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Makes sense. I see two potential outs here.Saw this elsewhere. Posted for your reading pleasure (emphasis mine). Full statutes linked below.
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
939.48(2)(a)(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
Wisconsin Legislature: 939.48
I've seen nothing that tells me he's going to rot in prison.
John Stark
.44 mag
Having spent 25+ years in transport before walking away from the industry, I grok exactly where you're coming from.
I had a crew of a dozen or 15 or so ghetto rats try to hijack my commercial vehicle in East Syracuse just 2 blocks off Erie Boulevard a decade ago as I pulled up to a four way stop sign. Gang scum were climbing all over the flatbed and trying to figure out how to release the chains and binds to get at my load of steel, while one bravo mike charlie thought it would be good to climb into the cab of a rolling truck and threaten my life. He got out right quick when I showed him what was in my hand (and it wasn't the shifter knob, as I was still in gear and rolling). The rest of the lice jumped ship when I popped the clutch and made that flatbed buck like a bronco and roared right through that four way stop. The eye popping consternation of the civilians with their jaws dropped in disbelief as the ticks flopped to the pavement made me smile as I shifted out of low gear.
Tonnage rules.
I know you know this bro; no load of whatever (except maybe guns and ammo, or Bibles) is more valuable than your life. Refuse loads if you have to, especially to big city shitholes. Stay safe. I know that you know to never be disarmed. God bless from one mudflap hanger to another.
I don't know if you ever run up to central NY, but if you do we should meet up. I'm buying.
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Looks Like a Glock 26? I would really like to have one and he's not going to be allowed to keep that one. No sense it letting it go to waste. I should make a callThe third victim Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, of West Allis, is a member of the People’s Revolution Movement of Milwaukee, a social justice group. He was shot in the arm, another protester, Oscar Walton, said Wednesday.
The third who was shot (& survived) is Gaige Grosskreutz, 26. He's a member of the People’s Revolution Movement. He was filmed chasing after the teen w/a pistol. He was shot at close-range in the upper arm. He has a criminal record that includes being intoxicated & armed w/a gun.
HelloUncleDonny
@Thomas_More_17
So it turns out that Gauge Paul Grosskreutz, 26 of Milwaukee, WI, is a convicted felon for a burglary at 19 years old. For those unaware in the United States, it is a crime for a felon to be in possession of a gun. Thats a big no-no
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John Stark
.44 mag
My friend, you are asking people who are either willfully uneducated, or who willfully refuse to come to terms with facts before their very eyes (and thereby willfully lacking in moral fiber), to read a book!
You sir must be a racist!
History certainly does rhyme, and it echoes, and it swirls around like a malignant breeze that wafts the Zyklon B in the direction of our current crop of of so-called patriots and American "citizens" who can smell the coffee in the morning, but can't smell the stench of 60+ million dead babies; sacrificed on altars constructed by Feminazis and so-called men who have allowed themselves to be emasculated to the point of embracing skirt wearing and all things immoral as long as they can "get some"; while the baby parts are sold off at a "healthy" profit for "medical" and "scientific" experimentation. Rhymes indeed!
Its utterly sickening to see people talking about how Trump ought to play politics until the election is over so that he can maybe get another four years.
This is why we supposedly loathe politicians of both parties, but we have so-called Americans repeatedly stating in this and other threads on these forums that Trump should continue throwing his supporters and other law-abiding Americans under the political bus because it won't be good optics for his reelection if he does the job we elected him to do. All while Republicans prance around at their convention while America burns, and promising to be the "law and order" party.
No matter that the victims are tax payers and business owners and REAL people who WORK and have families while they are having their neighborhoods burned down and lives ruined while local cops hang back in the face of obvious felonies. No matter that arson is a federal crime fully enforceable to the full extent of the law, up to and including maximum kinetic energy and jackboot if needed to stop the clearly defined insurrection going on among traitorous and law-breaking governors and mayors. NOT EVERYONE IN A BLUE STATE VOTED FOR THEIR SCUM REPRESENTATIVES. Did most here on this forum vote for Cuomo the Homo or his lickspittles in the NY Assembly or Senate? Then why is anyone here throwing their fellow citizens to the wolves in blue states, REAL PEOPLE who may not be able to move away due to family and business obligations?
The ends do not justify the means.... unless its Trump's feckless and blinkered response to massive bailouts (that started last August (long before the Wuflu cover story), Operation Wuflu and the lockdown of our lives and livlihoods and churches and our eldery left to die alone in nursing homes, and now mass rioting and "mail in" ballots (cheat by mail so we the Uniparty can get the next communist back in the White House and keep the China gravy trains rolling while they complete the devaluation of our money in a vain effort to prop up the wealth of the super rich and themselves); all under the cover of the coveted mask... That Trump still insists is "partriotic" to wear.
Rock solid principles that guided this nation to great Blessings and Liberties are thrown under the bus so we can have a few more years of the NFL and pizza and vacations and trips to the gun range.
I'm honestly not sure who makes me want to puke worse. Demrat communist scum, or the feckless, double talking RINOs who insist that we must always wait because there is never a good enough hill to die on. Or who have no principles in the first place.
So-called "conservatives" have conserved nothing after decades of promising to do so, and now we're at the point that some in "our camp" are willing to see others eaten as long as they themselves are not the first to feel the bite.
Any American who insists after months (and months) of looting and arson and murder and mayhem that our government at any level ought to just wait it out until after the election while good Americans suffer is a despicable human being.
And though I try very hard to never wish evil upon anyone, I will not shed a tear when some on here, who advocate that other Americans suffer so that maybe Trump can get reelected and maybe he can do something after the fact when he's done playing 4D political chess, (even though he has the full authority, power, duty, and moral obligation to stop it!) get their crap looted and burned. Boo hoo. Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette!
Buffalo and Rochester and Ithaca and Oswego and Syracuse and Watertown and Albany, and ever other community that has some felon or wannabe felon rapper gangsta die at the hands of a cop, no matter how justified, is just as susceptible to what's going on in Kenosha and elsewhere as any other city.
Tyranny and violence and evil villainy are crushing law-abiding citizens in every state in the Union right now, as Trump continues to tell so-called American citizens to wear a mask "if they want to" and "sorry, I did offer Federal help to your governor," all while he refuses to use the power and legal remedies he has available to him to ACTUALLY BE THE LAW & ORDER PRESIDENT he claims to be.
Both Demrat and Republican governors and mayors are violating the Rights of millions and millions of American citizens in every state in the Union on multiple and clear Constitutional issues, in blatant and thoroughly wicked violations of not only our Constitution and our laws, but any notion of decency and Moral Law, and yet the fence sitters here and on other sites keep insisting that we need to "keep our powder dry" and its "not yet time."
I would say these types are cucks, but that is too timid a turn of phrase.
Of course, my friend, I know that you know these things.
And I know that you know why I write and say the things I do.
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