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I do not know if Trayvon was a burglar or not.

Maybe he really was just on his way hope from buying skittles.

But the fact remains, he assaulted someone unprovoked. He got everything he deserved.

Imagine if the roles were switched. Some big white guy attacked a smaller black guy for following him and beat him to death. There would be riots over that too.

It has been proven that it doesn’t matter how justified the defense was, or who started the incident, It’s always going to be the "white guys" fault. And by "white guy" they mean conservative, no matter what color his skin is.
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Then maybe that points to a larger issue, not just guns. That’s where BLM maybe had a point once upon a time, and squandered it by going...sideways? Out of bounds? Not sure how to describe that, but I still don’t know how anyone lets today’s BLM happen.
 
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Jcp123 said:
Then maybe that points to a larger issue, not just guns. That’s where BLM maybe had a point once upon a time, and squandered it by going...sideways? Out of bounds? Not sure how to describe that, but I still don’t know how anyone lets today’s BLM happen.
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There are a lot of legitimate complaints about the way law enforcement is conducted in America today.

I believe we might have been ready to address some of them immediately after George Floyd's death.

But BLM ruined that moment, and now it's gone forever.
 
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There are a lot of legitimate complaints about the way law enforcement is conducted in America today.

I believe we might have been ready to address some of them immediately after George Floyd's death.

But BLM ruined that moment, and now it's gone forever.
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Yup. It might be the main reason BLM pisses me off. I’ve been interested in justice reform for about 5ish years, and any meaningful, articulate debate on that has been set back by decades, on top of the rioting and looting and the re-racialization of politics and interactions, cancel culture, and the calling for curbs on free speech. BLM sucks.
 
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Jcp123 said:
Of course it is. Just not as close as you might think. My cousin (wife’s cousin? Does it make a difference? I have trouble with family classifications like that) kind of put herself in that position. She made bad choices which caused other actors to make bad choices. I’d like for her to have had a pistol that night. But really, if you’re acting in good faith, stay armed, but don’t tell me imminent death is always around the corner. It’s disingenuous and paints a worse picture of our country than is necessary.
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No.

You just don't know.

Man, stepdaughter killed - another injured - in road rage shooting; Suspect arrested
 
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I understand you train of thought. Wrong or right? Makes no difference. But, there are nasty people everywhere. I never try to push this doom and gloom; but when I hear people say the evil is not close, I can do nothing but laugh.

I see many people that refuse to face this truth, this reality. We are surrounded by evil. Open eyes wide and you will see it, promise.
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I suppose I don’t really deal in absolutes like that. There are bad actors and folks I don’t like, people who want to harm me for some reason, and crazy people, but they’re flawed people more than they are evil. People are people, and they come in as many distasteful flavors as more flavorful ones. It’s pretty exceptional, though, to encounter the harmful person. Again, stay ready to square off against them, but don’t allow them much room in your head. Plow forward and engage with positive folks.
 
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I just behave myself and don't cause trouble. Sure I drive fast when safe to do so and have been stopped, but I am polite, respectful, put windows down, turn on interior lights and usually end up shooting the shit with the officer because we usually have several mutual friends. I've even been asked "If I call _______ right now he's going to tell me you're a good guy?" I responded "yes sir I'll give him a call right now if you need me to". He ran back to his car, turned the lights off and told the second car that pulled up to leave. These guys are just regular people and when you treat them as such it is a much better experience. One guy that stopped me I actually started talking to him about Trump. I asked if he was a Trump guy and he cautiously said yes and then I told him how I just went to a Trump rally in Erie. He let me go on a very excessive speeding violation. I'm all about treating people nicely.
 
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Jcp123 said:
I suppose I don’t really deal in absolutes like that. There are bad actors and folks I don’t like, people who want to harm me for some reason, and crazy people, but they’re flawed people more than they are evil. People are people, and they come in as many distasteful flavors as more flavorful ones. It’s pretty exceptional, though, to encounter the harmful person. Again, stay ready to square off against them, but don’t allow them much room in your head. Plow forward and engage with positive folks.
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Remarkably hasn't hitten NY. Yet. When it does we need to be prepared. Drive this anarchism from face of earth. So be it.
 
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I just behave myself and don't cause trouble. Sure I drive fast when safe to do so and have been stopped, but I am polite, respectful, put windows down, turn on interior lights and usually end up shooting the shit with the officer because we usually have several mutual friends. I've even been asked "If I call _______ right now he's going to tell me you're a good guy?" I responded "yes sir I'll give him a call right now if you need me to". He ran back to his car, turned the lights off and told the second car that pulled up to leave. These guys are just regular people and when you treat them as such it is a much better experience. One guy that stopped me I actually started talking to him about Trump. I asked if he was a Trump guy and he cautiously said yes and then I told him how I just went to a Trump rally in Erie. He let me go on a very excessive speeding violation. I'm all about treating people nicely.
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That’s what I’m talking about. Assume the better in people, and you’ll get it boomeranged back.
 
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BLM was made in America. If BLM is our shit then we should be ashamed of what we have eaten. BLMs gotten big, and BLMs getting bigger. They didn't create the conditions of the world they occupy. This is your world in which they grow, and they have grown to hate you.
 
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BLM was made in America. If BLM is our shit then we should be ashamed of what we have eaten. BLMs gotten big, and BLMs getting bigger. They didn't create the conditions of the world they occupy. This is your world in which they grow, and they have grown to hate you.
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BLM was made and funded in Greece or a Soros yacht. And yeah, people who never hated in their lives are beginning to hate. A deep fucking hatred. Ask me how I know.
 
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Quote from Sen. Chris Murphy, D, Conn.

"I have a real belief that democracy is unnatural," Murphy said. "We don’t run anything important in our lives by democratic vote other than our government. Democracy is so unnatural that it’s illogical to think it would be permanent. It will fall apart at some point, and maybe that point isn't now, but maybe it is."
 
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BLM was made and funded in Greece or a Soros yacht. And yeah, people who never hated in their lives are beginning to hate. A deep fucking hatred. Ask me how I know.
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Wtf are you talking about? BLM came about as a direct response to the acquittal of George Zimmerman... In the USA, not Greece.
 
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Jcp123 said:
That’s what I’m talking about. Assume the better in people, and you’ll get it boomeranged back.
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I actually got "in trouble" one time (traffic), and was so polite to the officer that he came in on his day off (I'm sure he got OT) but was in civilian clothes and told the judge that I was very polite and respectful and told the judge basically that he didn't care if he dismissed the charges. I've actually had this happen twice in my life. Both were V&T charges but not speeding tickets like you may be thinking, but more complicated matters that could rise to higher levels if someone wanted to challenge the system and be an asshole. Both were dismissed after the prosecutor/judge asked the officer and the officer said he was good with the dismissal.
 
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SonOfSun said:
Wtf are you talking about? BLM came about as a direct response to the acquittal of George Zimmerman... In the USA, not Greece.
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BLM is not an organic organization that just formed on it's own.

It was carefully created and nurtured by the left.

If it was truly about black lives mattering they would be demanding more police in minority neighborhoods to eliminate the criminals plaguing them.

The difference between a "good neighborhood" and a "bad neighborhood" doesn’t depend so much on skin color or even property values It depends on how overt the criminals are.

In the suburbs they go to great lenghts to hide amongst their neighbors so you can’t identity them Their neighbors don’t even know they are criminals.

In the "bad neighborhoods" they advertise their presence and intimidate the good people into submission.

Crack down on the gangs and even the worst inner city neighborhood could be a decent place to raise your kids.

When black lives are 20x more likely to end from a criminal than a cop, you add cops if you care, you defund them if you want to make the problem worse.

Now why might an organization whose entire power base is dependent on perceived black oppression not be so keen on actually solving the problem ?

Maybe the same reason the NRA isn’t really interested in eliminating gun control ?
 
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Jcp123 said:
Kinda plays into my point though. Almost nobody ever needs any kind of defensive or offensive weapon. I can think of two times where anybody in my fam or extended fam ever used or needed a gun: one was my Pa, who racked his 20ga and scared off some alleged robbers some time before I was born, the other is my wife’s cousin who was murdered almost on my birthday. Keep a gun on you? Yes, do it, I hope the adrenaline dump doesn’t keep it from being effective. Is it needed by everyone? Not necessarily. I don’t like the constant fear and paranoia surrounding keeping yourself armed all the time. It’s simply a good idea, and I don’t appreciate the peddling of fear surrounding it. It’s not necessary.
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I appreciate your point of view.
It is truly an individual choice. I obtained my pistol permit for the purpose of self defense. Considering my relative vulnerability has become an everyday calculation. Most times if I leave the house, I am armed. Occasionally it is with a knife instead of a gun, but I rarely am unarmed. So the matter of self defense occupies a permanent part of my head space. It does make life feel heavier and less spontaneous. I have accepted these burdens in response to increased awareness of the disregard for life and evil that I see manifesting in society.
I do actively work to maintain a sense of balance, recognizing that the vast majority of the time, nothing bad happens to me or my family. I try to be aware of the energy I bring into a situation. But I have decided I am responsible for my well-being, and that of my family, and that requires taking active measures.
 
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Jcp123 said:
Kinda plays into my point though. Almost nobody ever needs any kind of defensive or offensive weapon. I can think of two times where anybody in my fam or extended fam ever used or needed a gun: one was my Pa, who racked his 20ga and scared off some alleged robbers some time before I was born, the other is my wife’s cousin who was murdered almost on my birthday. Keep a gun on you? Yes, do it, I hope the adrenaline dump doesn’t keep it from being effective. Is it needed by everyone? Not necessarily. I don’t like the constant fear and paranoia surrounding keeping yourself armed all the time. It’s simply a good idea, and I don’t appreciate the peddling of fear surrounding it. It’s not necessary.
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I got my pistol permit because there was arson in the building my office used to be in. The audiologist above me had her furniture slashed, computers thrown out the window and a flammable liquid was used to torch the space. The whole building had to be gutted. It happened on a day I wasn't there in the evening but I have later hours than the usual business and had it been the day before or day after I would have been there. I enjoy my life and my family and like going home at night so, I decided to have protection. Chances are I will go to my grave never exposing my pistol to the outside world. I would remind you though it is the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs. I am not fearful nor paranoid keeping myself armed. A very good book I would recommend to everyone that carries is, "Lessons From Armed America." Very helpful when I first started carrying. Lessons from Armed America: Kathy Jackson, Mark Walters, Massad Ayoob: 9781453685556: Amazon.com: Books
 
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I got my pistol permit because there was arson in the building my office used to be in. The audiologist above me had her furniture slashed, computers thrown out the window and a flammable liquid was used to torch the space. The whole building had to be gutted. It happened on a day I wasn't there in the evening but I have later hours than the usual business and had it been the day before or day after I would have been there. I enjoy my life and my family and like going home at night so, I decided to have protection. Chances are I will go to my grave never exposing my pistol to the outside world. I would remind you though it is the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs. I am not fearful nor paranoid keeping myself armed. A very good book I would recommend to everyone that carries is, "Lessons From Armed America." Very helpful when I first started carrying. Lessons from Armed America: Kathy Jackson, Mark Walters, Massad Ayoob: 9781453685556: Amazon.com: Books
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I have a number of fire extinguisher that I have never used, and if i am able, never will for the same reason.
 
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