New York Jailbreak Law / Bail Reform/ Articles/Stories and Discussions(multi-merged thread)

[GOPerfect]

Ive never been a victim of any crime, I have been falsely arrested, to me wasnt a big deal I was released went to court and dismissed . I would rather deal with defending myself against a criminal any day over an out of control government .

If we are allowed to defend ourselves we could save tax payers alot of time and money.

If you want a rapist off the street bring him to trial faster. This law may help with that. I still havent seen any hard facts about the law . Alot of opinions . From what I understand if rape is a violent crime the judge will still have bail discretion.

How would a rape victim be any safer if he had posted bail? Maybe electronic monitoring can be used along with a fob the victim would carry . Accused gets within x miles the police are notified.

Ive lived long enough to know that nothing is as bad as people make it out to be. A few years back the city was gonna fall into chaos due to police not stop and frisking people.

Well then apparently you have not read the important stuff that I and others have posted. We have posted copies of the law on a couple different threads.

On the issue of rape, prior to this law, the victims information could be and usually was kept somewhat secret, now, her name, address, phone number, etc are made public. Same with all crimes.

 

[spat]

Bottom line is that the government scares most of us more than the criminals.

If a criminal attacks me, I can defend myself.

If the government does it, not so much.

If you want to see the endgame of these "relaxed rights of the accused" looks like, look at college campuses. Read about the horror stories there.

Better 100 guilty people go free than 1 innocent one is imprisoned.

Some of you seem to think it should be the other way around. I tend to think that seeing all the evil close up has jaded you.

 

[MothMan]

Whenever I hear of electronic monitoring I think of this guy.

David Renz | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

David Renz is a New York man sentenced to life in prison without parole for raping a girl and killing her mother on March 14, 2013.

murderpedia.org

David Renz Murder Case Catalyst Behind Bill to End Failures of Pretrial Release Monitors

A Central New York citizen, who comforted a crime victim as she was dying, is the driving force behind a measure to reform pretrial release. The bill in…

www.waer.org

 

[S&W Fan]

And then we have this “ victimless crime”?

NY bail reform sets free Syracuse Navy vet accused of shooting, killing girlfriend

Darien Shellman, 25, who says the shooting was an accident, had been held on $75,000 cash or $150,000 bond bail. But a judge had no choice but to release him Thursday.

www.syracuse.com

 

[Jmac00]

And then we have this “ victimless crime”?

NY bail reform sets free Syracuse Navy vet accused of shooting, killing girlfriend

Darien Shellman, 25, who says the shooting was an accident, had been held on $75,000 cash or $150,000 bond bail. But a judge had no choice but to release him Thursday.

www.syracuse.com

I wonder what the penalty is if he fails to show up for his court date? does he get a bench warrant issued, and if get re-arrested, does he get released AGAIN

 

[S&W Fan]

I wonder what the penalty is if he fails to show up for his court date? does he get a bench warrant issued, and if get re-arrested, does he get released AGAIN

Good questions, but ones you probably won’t readily get the answers to. The bail reformers are still playing the “ this evens the playing field for the poor “ card

 

[Jmac00]

ok opinion time: BAIL ~~~or ~~~NO BAIL

Well, there's always a first time for reporting on things. This happens to be one of those times for us. This is completely factual, by the way.
A Florida woman, 25-year-old Katie Lou Gottlich, has been charged with misdemeanor domestic battery after allegedly throwing a kitchen pot at her boyfriend's head on Wednesday. Her reasoning? He had been fishing too much and not doing enough around the house for their young child.
The victim called 911 and stated that he'd been out fishing for a few days and when he got home, the assault happened. Pasco County officers say that Gottlich chucked the large pan at the man's head in the backyard while he wasn't looking. She allegedly fled the house after the incident occured, but the officers did find the pot in the backyard. They did not, however, see any immediate sign of injury on the man.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Two important factors IMO

"Key here is that Shellman, 25, is not accused of intentionally shooting his girlfriend, Sarah Tombs, 22; nor is he accused of possessing an illegal gun. Either of those factors -- considered violent -- could have allowed a judge to keep him locked up until trial. (The new bail law requires release for virtually all non-violent felonies. "

"After the shooting, Shellman called 911 and waited for police to arrive. He cooperated, turned over his guns and his permits were revoked, Klein has said. "

 

[pjzwtl]

The accused still got their day in court bail or not.. now the victim

Two important factors IMO

"Key here is that Shellman, 25, is not accused of intentionally shooting his girlfriend, Sarah Tombs, 22; nor is he accused of possessing an illegal gun. Either of those factors -- considered violent -- could have allowed a judge to keep him locked up until trial. (The new bail law requires release for virtually all non-violent felonies. "

"After the shooting, Shellman called 911 and waited for police to arrive. He cooperated, turned over his guns and his permits were revoked, Klein has said. "

of course I can only read what the reporter wrote but the story (about the event itself) sounds a bit off to me? Of course barring a witness it’s he said she...never mind

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

The accused still got their day in court bail or not.. now the victim

of course I can only read what the reporter wrote but the story (about the event itself) sounds a bit off to me? Of course barring a witness it’s he said she...never mind

Replace the gun with a car that accidentally hit and killed someone. No witnesses were around to see it happen. The same or different?

 

[pjzwtl]

Replace the gun with a car that accidentally hit and killed someone. No witnesses were around to see it happen. The same or different?

Perhaps re read what I said (the top line was left from another post. )

 

[Acer-m14]

Whenever I hear of electronic monitoring I think of

they should have at least 1 pound of c dash 4 and conductive strap and placed around the neck .. i think that was in some movie i seen WTH .. lol

 

[Toecutter]

they should have at least 1 pound of c dash 4 and conductive strap and placed around the neck .. i think that was in some movie i seen WTH .. lol

Wedlock witg rutger hauer . I remember that movie.

 

[S&W Fan]

Replace the gun with a car that accidentally hit and killed someone. No witnesses were around to see it happen. The same or different?

One can be construed as an accident and one was Clearly negligence.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

One can be construed as an accident and one was Clearly negligence.

Which one? They can both be an accident OR negligence.

 

[pjzwtl]

If a car or gun the level of “negligence” should make a difference. Accidents are just that even if some amount of carelessness or distraction is involved but some are the result of pure indifference to the safety of others and should be handled at a more serious level.

In the above story we only have one side, it is what it is but I can’t help but wonder what he was doing that compelled her to grab the gun? Of course I am assuming the story was written accurately which may be assuming a lot

 

[spat]

If a car or gun the level of “negligence” should make a difference. Accidents are just that even if some amount of carelessness or distraction is involved but some are the result of pure indifference to the safety of others and should be handled at a more serious level.

In the above story we only have one side, it is what it is but I can’t help but wonder what he was doing that compelled her to grab the gun? Of course I am assuming the story was written accurately which may be assuming a lot

You are talking about the difference between an accident and "criminally negligent homicide".

Both of which can happen with cars or guns.

 

[pjzwtl]

You are talking about the difference between an accident and "criminally negligent homicide".

Both of which can happen with cars or guns.

That was my point

 

[livingston]

Gov. Cuomo’s New No-Bail Law Freed 61 Gang Members on Long Island

Gov. Cuomo's New No-Bail Law Freed 61 Gang Members on Long Island

This story, given the recent, brutal history of gangs on Long Island, seems utterly impossible to believe. But since New York has become a one-party state, increasingly influenced by soft-on-crime Democrats, it is sadly, tragically, true. Protect Your Retirement... BUT Beware of Gold IRA Dealer...

www.independentsentinel.com

 

[MothMan]

The Post reported that after Woodbury was released from jail Thursday, sources quoted him as saying, “I can’t believe they let me out. What were they thinking?”

New York lawmaker says Cuomo will have 'blood on his hands' if bail reform law isn't changed

New York Republican Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis slammed the state's new bail reform law, which has come under fire after an accused serial bank robber allegedly struck another bank days after he was released from jail.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Acer-m14]

FUAC getting more money robbing banks to fix the budget with a little help from his prison friends ..

ohhh

seen a blip on FB .. if your in prison and turn 55 yrs old there going to release you now on parole .. thats the new idea in the works ..

 

[John Stark]

I don't really like this particular website, but I read this story last week IIRC:

92-Year-Old Woman Sexually Abused and Murdered by Illegal Alien After New York Refused to Hand Him Over to ICE | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

A beloved 92-year-old woman was sexually abused and murdered by a 21-year-old illegal alien after New York refused to hand him over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

A beloved 92-year-old woman was sexually abused and murdered by a 21-year-old illegal alien after New York refused to hand him over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“Reeaz Khan, 21, an unlawfully present Guyanese national, was arrested Jan. 10 by the NYPD and charged with murder, sexual abuse, contact by forcible compulsion, and sexual abuse against a person incapable of consent. Khan was previously released from local law enforcement custody in November 2019 with an active detainer, due to New York City’s sanctuary policies,” ICE said in a statement.

Khan was previously arrested by the NYPD on charges of assault and criminal possession of a weapon in November. The same day he was arrested, ERO deportation officers lodged a detainer with the NYPD, but the detainer was not honored, and Khan was released following his arraignment.

Here's another article about it:

EXCLUSIVE: ‘I’m crying about this too,’ claims suspect accused of murder and sexual abuse of 92-year-old Queens woman

The suspect charged with the shocking murder and sick sexual abuse of a beloved 92-year-old Queens woman says he loves his late grandmother too much to ever hurt an old woman. “I’m cryi…

www.nydailynews.com

Prosecutors say he gave conflicting accounts of what happened to detectives once he was taken into custody, at one point bizarrely claiming he fell down, his belt buckle broke and “his pants fell down and his penis fell near her vagina but he did not have intercourse with her,” according to the criminal complaint against him.

Khan later told officials he did lift her skirt up and tried to put his penis inside of her and “did not know what came over him,” according to the complaint.

So he was arrested in November of assault and CPW, but was out on the streets. Maybe not related to bail reform, but here NYC gives its citizens the trifecta: it seems he already had serious charges pending but was right back on the street afterwards, he was an illegal alien, and NYPD didn't hold him on detainer for ICE because NYC is a sanctuary city.

I remember reading somewhere that some cop shops were releasing people even before the "bail reform" went into effect statewide in anticipation of it, and sheriffs were releasing inmates from county lockups who were being held on bail before it went into effect.

A 92 year old woman raped and murdered because of politicians and their pandering to illegals and violent criminals for votes.

By hook or by crook, NYers should make sure they can protect themselves.

 

[Acer-m14]

sheriffs were releasing inmates from county lockups who were being held on bail before it went into effect.

from what i heard the Sheriffs in NYC area .. there is one i know of in the Bronx .. there appointed in .. not voted in ..

go figure ..

 

[Jmac00]

Accused NYC serial burglar released again and again and again thanks to new bail law

Anthony Manson, 50, was arrested for nine burglaries in Prospect Lefferts-Gardens and Crown Heights on Dec. 23, police said. He appeared before a judge on Christmas and was released — only to be busted for six more break ins on Jan. 3, cops said.

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Airborneguy]

Lol. The area he’s committing his burglaries in is 110% ultra leftist. Fuck them.