Now that Trump's betrayed us on Immigration....
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Couple things to think about...
* GOP Establishment refuse to work with him. He HAS to work with someone in order to get ANYTHING done.
* Politics is give and take. The guy makes deals for a living. He was elected to make deals and get things done.
* This country will NEVER deport DACA people. It was NEVER going to happen. Better to give 800k amnesty and turn the spigot off then delay and they keep pouring in.
* POTUS doing deals w/Democrats is THE COMPLETE AND TOTAL FAULT OF THE GOP. They are all Never Trumpers because he calls them out for the lazy ass frauds they are. Democrats are frauds too but they're far from lazy.
Regardless of who occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. as long as we have a do nothing Congress, the nation will continue to circle the drain.
* GOP Establishment refuse to work with him. He HAS to work with someone in order to get ANYTHING done.
* Politics is give and take. The guy makes deals for a living. He was elected to make deals and get things done.
* This country will NEVER deport DACA people. It was NEVER going to happen. Better to give 800k amnesty and turn the spigot off then delay and they keep pouring in.
* POTUS doing deals w/Democrats is THE COMPLETE AND TOTAL FAULT OF THE GOP. They are all Never Trumpers because he calls them out for the lazy ass frauds they are. Democrats are frauds too but they're far from lazy.
Regardless of who occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. as long as we have a do nothing Congress, the nation will continue to circle the drain.
Never happen.....
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
Any picture where Schumer is smiling is bound to be bad news for the country. That fuck needs to be removed from office...though it's likely with his voter base that Mother Nature catching up with his ass will be the only thing that pries him out.
GuyMontag
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Darth, that's big fail on the gun control argument, he's already proven his bona fides by putting Gorsuch on the bench. Which states turn FOR him in 2020 with a pro gun control vote...................NY, CA?
Nobody's surprised by his willingness to deal with Dems, in truth it HELPS him get re-elected, contrary to what most of us feel about "bi-partisanship". What's most obvious is the GOP's CONTINUAL inability to come to grips with the majority of GOP voters. They've said FU since 2010 to the populist issues that gave birth to the Tea Party and ultimately Trump.
When people ask how Trump can get things done with a MINORITY of Dem votes, it doesn't happen without a few Pubs helping it along, underscoring the frailty and lack of party discipline McConnell and Ryan have created.
I tend to think "bi-partisaniship" is a bad thing that's created the mess we're currently in, but most voters think otherwise and LIKE what Trump's done with the Dems, ignoring the 3/4 century of nearly 1 Party rule in Washington, and all the failures it's left us today.
How is it a fail? Gorsuch is weaksauce at best on gun control.Darth, that's big fail on the gun control argument, he's already proven his bona fides by putting Gorsuch on the bench. Which states turn FOR him in 2020 with a pro gun control vote...................NY, CA?
GuyMontag
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Compared with the list of possible appointees for that seat he's beyond as good as it was going to get for us.
Why suggest otherwise?
The list created by...Trump?
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Gorsuch seems good on constitution (on paper) but I don't see him being too conservative in terms of guns, immigration, etc... we'll see.
Remember Trump has "a contract" with the American people. Lets see where we are in a few years or if he defaults like
all others ahead of him.
Current politics are a joke. Everyone's election tactics are to come to the extremes to appease the interest groups and the ignorant and make
promises that can never be delivered. Perhaps not just because the lack of ideas or initiative but because the system is
completely corrupt and broken and cannot progress. What do you think this Amnesty is? This is a prostitution of the nations sovereignty and citizens
rights in exchange for the popular vote. Selling off and mortgaging our futures that is what politicians are good at.
Anything as soon as they look good on TV and facebook with the PC police.
There is no accountability for anything. Nothing has changed. Trump is thinking about his family and how to start a Trump political wagon/saga
before he is gone.
Maybe I am wrong but the current indicators don't look great.
Remember Trump has "a contract" with the American people. Lets see where we are in a few years or if he defaults like
all others ahead of him.
Current politics are a joke. Everyone's election tactics are to come to the extremes to appease the interest groups and the ignorant and make
promises that can never be delivered. Perhaps not just because the lack of ideas or initiative but because the system is
completely corrupt and broken and cannot progress. What do you think this Amnesty is? This is a prostitution of the nations sovereignty and citizens
rights in exchange for the popular vote. Selling off and mortgaging our futures that is what politicians are good at.
Anything as soon as they look good on TV and facebook with the PC police.
There is no accountability for anything. Nothing has changed. Trump is thinking about his family and how to start a Trump political wagon/saga
before he is gone.
Maybe I am wrong but the current indicators don't look great.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Trump's lists end up like the musical chairs game?
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Magnus
6.5 Creedmoor
Sweet tanning tips...
From a spray can....
Since he has been in office what long game has he played? Where are the wins or even a decent fight over anything?
He hasn't prosecuted Comey, Hillary, or any of the other traitors.
He's had leakers all through his administration, he hired some real bozos and kept them way too long, then he hired even more bozos to replace them.
He tried the travel ban 3 times knowing the 9th circuit court would stop it but he never tried a tactic that wouldn't get shot down.
He talked tough about North Korea and Syria. Dropped some bombs and double downed in Afghanistan. None of those are wins.
He called people I support hateful White Supremacists (they are not, they merely aren't ashamed of being white) and said the kid who drove the car in Charlottesville was a murderer when he is innocent until proven guilty and besides the fat bitch died of a heart attack.
His press secretary just said he'd sign hate speech legislation from the Democrats, effectively ending our 1st amendment rights to free speech as the SPLC determines who is hateful.
And he supported Ryancare, which just as ill-conceived as Obamacare.
Granted he's probably gotten some lousy advice from disloyal people but who he picks to work for him matters.
This morning he's still tweeting about Hillary's stupid book like he's defending himself. She's irrelevant why should he bother over her another second?
WHERE ARE THE WINS?
Stock market is up, I don't know how much it is Trump but it's nice.
Regulations got rolled back, good.
Immigration slowed because of the backlash, but I doubt the trend will continue.
I'm sorry, I was a huge supporter but I have no faith in him anymore. I think we're $crewed as a nation since there is nobody on the national scene that supports what most rural and conservative Americans want.
Massive new gun control is one school shooting away.
And watch the Middle Class/Blue Collar forces give up on the whole idea. Our government is poised to become our enemy big time.
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ADK
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/trumps-base-turns-him-ann-coulter-wonders-point-who-doesnt-want-trump-impeached
Mr.BlingBling Looney Sep 14, 2017 12:27 PM
We’re too broke to piss away money on some stupid wall that won’t solve the illegal immigration problem. Here’s how to solve the illegal immigration problem for free.
1. Establish a mandatory fine of $100,000 for each month that someone employed an illegal immigrant.
2. Set up an 800-number for people to snitch on those employers.
3. Require each snitch to pay a $100 fee for each person they report, to separate the wheat from the chaff.
4. If the tip pans out, the snitch is paid, say, $80,000 of the mandatory fine, the rest goes to admin costs.
5. If the government doesn’t follow up on the tip within a month, the snitch still gets the $80,000, with the funds pulled from the budget of the government agency that didn’t do its job.
I'd bet that would solve about 80% of the illegal immigration problem. For free.
Mr.BlingBling Looney Sep 14, 2017 12:27 PM
We’re too broke to piss away money on some stupid wall that won’t solve the illegal immigration problem. Here’s how to solve the illegal immigration problem for free.
1. Establish a mandatory fine of $100,000 for each month that someone employed an illegal immigrant.
2. Set up an 800-number for people to snitch on those employers.
3. Require each snitch to pay a $100 fee for each person they report, to separate the wheat from the chaff.
4. If the tip pans out, the snitch is paid, say, $80,000 of the mandatory fine, the rest goes to admin costs.
5. If the government doesn’t follow up on the tip within a month, the snitch still gets the $80,000, with the funds pulled from the budget of the government agency that didn’t do its job.
I'd bet that would solve about 80% of the illegal immigration problem. For free.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Summer soldiers.
Robin
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Do you guys think that if the Republicans worked with Trump and got reciprocity passed in both houses, funding for the wall, ECT... He would be able to fulfill his campaign promises?
dwa12479
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The only case I can find that he had with the 10th circuit is U.S. v. Miguel Games-Perez, which really wasn't much of a case. He joined Clarence Thomas in wanting to hear Peruta earlier this summer too. I'm not sure what to think about him at this point other than I'd rather have him than anyone that Hillary would have nominated. What makes you think he's weak on gun control?
ADK
.40 S&W
[QUOTE="dwa12479, What makes you think he's weak on gun control?[/QUOTE]
I really don't know how well Trump shoots so I can not give you and opinion.
I really don't know how well Trump shoots so I can not give you and opinion.
RDN
.357 mag
I blame the do nothing GOP in Senate and Congress. Trump is a businessman. In business you make deals.
And I also really blame senate leader Mitch McConnell. He says Trump and the people expect too much from congress. That the system has a process that has to run its course. He needs to GO !!
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
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I don't know about that specifically, but it is painfully obvious that the Republican leadership in both houses are NOT working with the president on anything, especially if it is good foe the United States.
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
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I really don't know how well Trump shoots so I can not give you and opinion.[/QUOTE]
I would bet he uses the tea cup method.
I really don't know how well Trump shoots so I can not give you and opinion.[/QUOTE]
I would bet he uses the tea cup method.
So President Trump cleared it up with a joint email with the Republican National Committee. Here’s what it says:
“There’s been a lot of noise today and a lot of rumors.
“Let me set the record straight in the simplest language possible…
“…WE WILL BUILD A WALL (NOT A FENCE) ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO HELP STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND KEEP AMERICA SAFE.
“Apparently, liberals in Congress and the mainstream media need one more reminder that building the wall is non-negotiable, the email concludes”
Here’s a screenshot:
“There’s been a lot of noise today and a lot of rumors.
“Let me set the record straight in the simplest language possible…
“…WE WILL BUILD A WALL (NOT A FENCE) ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO HELP STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND KEEP AMERICA SAFE.
“Apparently, liberals in Congress and the mainstream media need one more reminder that building the wall is non-negotiable, the email concludes”
Here’s a screenshot:
When someone supports every issue on the conservative platform, like some of you, it's a sign of indoctrination. You are not doing your own thinking.
2nd amendment is what matters most to me, the rest of the issues are not as important and I am with the liberals on universal healthcare and few other issues.
2nd amendment is what matters most to me, the rest of the issues are not as important and I am with the liberals on universal healthcare and few other issues.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's you. I'm against universal healthcare for those that don't pay for it or for the bureaucracy it entails. Look at Canada.
People are getting healthcare and not paying for it now. I am for cutting out the middle-man. More funds spent on actual healthcare and zero to insurance companies. Bureaucracy is what we have now. I never heard actual Canadian complain about their health system, only on conservative talk radio.
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Marine Cpl
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How do you explain the thousands of Canadians crossing the border to pay out of pocket for healthcare that they are denied on or told that they would have to wait months for?
I also got that followed by a request for more donations. LOL it's his move not mine.