NY Assembly ammo import ban bill introduced

[libertysnake]

I'm curious how they would make other states comply and keep records for this? Especially considering other states consider, and rightfully so, that the laws in this state violate the constitution.

So they're effectively trying to say to other states "Hey, help us enforce a policy which is unconstitutional and illegal against our populace."

I wonder how that is going to go.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I am waiting for the day when I next drive to NYS from SC and possibly get stopped, with my valid NYS CCW, with at least six (6) different caliber handguns on my permit, and with ammo in the car, none of which has been purchased in NYS under the CCIA bullshit.

Could make for an interesting interaction, - and on dashcam, naturally.

FUCK New Yorkistan, and Kunty Whorecul and her fellow ilk! GTFO as soon as you can.

 

[mgunner]

Will not comply. Ways around everything. There will be no feeling of guilt on my part. Those that don't uphold their oaths and abide by the Constitution are the criminals and enemy of our country.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Those are some good points old timer, And I do mean that with respect.

No one is even coming close to stopping the Albany/NYC Commie machine's march forward. So why would they even slow down much less stop? If I were them, I wouldn't stop.

The New York State government is an enemy of freedom and the American way of life.
The New York State government is a lawless government that has gone rogue IMO.

There's at least one too many stars on the American flag.

Thank you Brother Bigfoot, all respect back atcha my friend. We will NOT, EVER, go down without a FIGHT! ZERO kneeling, EVER!
We trudge onward! We never weaken, only to become much stronger, than those who are against us. Foreign OR Domestic!

What doesn`t kill us, only makes us stronger!

 

[pshift]

FWIW, I have NEVER been asked for ID in PA whenever making purchases there. Also, for purchases of ammo shipped out of and brought back into NYS, I believe that the Interstate Commerce Act may be applicable here since 'ammo' is legal to own everywhere (except for certain types) and can be considered as 'cargo/personal effects while traveling.

They really ought to familiarize themselves with 18 U.S. Code, Section 926A of the Firearms Owners Protection Act. Of course, federal law means nothing here in NYS.

 

[Beerman]

FWIW, I have NEVER been asked for ID in PA whenever making purchases there. Also, for purchases of ammo shipped out of and brought back into NYS, I believe that the Interstate Commerce Act may be applicable here since 'ammo' is legal to own everywhere, except for certain types. They really ought to familiarize themselves with 18 U.S. Code, Section 926A of the Firearms Owners Protection Act. Of course, federal law means nothing here in NYS.

Same. Not in VT, NH, CO, AZ, IA, NE, UT, NM, VA…

 

[Rocpo]

Hey, maybe we should post our ways of getting around this infringement in this thread to show our anger at this newest infringement!

Buying ammunition in Pa ?

As the title says, is anyone going to Pa for ammunition purchases?

nygunforum.com

Or maybe you all could stfu and stop giving our CLEARLY INVOVLED communist government overseers ANOTHER way to infringe?

 

[pshift]

@Rocpo Nah. We WANT to keep our overlords busy and keep them guessing (at taxpayer expense!)

 

[Rocpo]

I wish they were guessing and just throwing shit at the wall.
Instead, they wait a couple months after reading the morons here telling them exactly how they're gonna circumvent their newest law.
And then come up with a new law against that circumventing.

 

[Truebeliever]

Calm down. It’s a great law. Great for us.

Let them come after a PA business or an TX business owner and the PA AG or TX AG will be forced to defend and will have standing to defend all of us against that law.

 

[libertysnake]

Hey, maybe we should post our ways of getting around this infringement in this thread to show our anger at this newest infringement!

Buying ammunition in Pa ?

As the title says, is anyone going to Pa for ammunition purchases?

nygunforum.com

Or maybe you all could stfu and stop giving our CLEARLY INVOVLED communist government overseers ANOTHER way to infringe?

Shit, I didn't even realize the ATF setup that honeypot till you pointed out it existed.

Nice try, guys.

 

[Phazer]

Hey Phil, Hey Letti. I am going on a road trip in April to NE and I plan on bringing back a couple of $k worth of various calibers. Dare u to arrest me!! Just wanted u to know.

Hmmm... you're returning with private property that was legally purchased.

Sounds like there's no government intervention required (or possible).

 

[dean3690]

This reminds me of the NYS sales tax law. The State thinks that they own you and your sole purpose is as a tax revenue generator for the State. Take a trip outside of NYS and buy gas to fill your tank, you should pay sales tax to NYS on that purchase. Buy a ding dong while at the gas station, pay NYS sales tax on that. Buy flip flops and sun screen at Wally World across the street from the gas station, pay NYS sales tax on that. If you don't, you are a "criminal tax cheat".

This level of control is being seen on a bigger scale all the time. Billionaire wants to leave the country or the State of CA? Big time wealth exit tax. Move to another state and become a resident there? CA still wants a piece of that pie down the road. Both CA laws coming soon to NYS I'm sure.

It all has nothing to do with public "safety" and everything to do with trampling your rights to control you. If they can legislate gun owners into criminals, confiscation becomes oh so much easier.

 

[That_FNG]

I’m going to continue to buy my ammo tax free and background check free from the Indian reservation near me. Since the laws of nys do not apply to them they started selling ammo. I’m very happy to ammunition from the native Americans, and they are very happy to take my money.

 

[Acer-m14]

just converted a lemonade stand ..

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I’m going to continue to buy my ammo tax free and background check free from the Indian reservation near me. Since the laws of nys do not apply to them they started selling ammo. I’m very happy to ammunition from the native Americans, and they are very happy to take my money.

Now that you posted exactly your plan around their laws, they will re-write their communist law to cover that too.

The reservation near me, i`ve not seen ANY ammo for sale. But there sure is alot of dope being sold out of their brick & mortar teepee`s.

 

[repete]

Don’t forget there is an actual way they can tell when and where the ammo was purchased/made. I’d assume there is a record of the background check so they can tell if you bought it in NYS. Also there is a lot number on ammo that would give the manufacture date. If the date of manufacture is past when the background check came into play and it doesn’t line up with the background check or lack thereof then it’s certain you didn’t buy it legally in NYS. That’s why I said I’d pay cash and ditch the box so there is no lot number.

Save your old ammo boxes and reload em! If you don't have any, there's always a few in every trash can at the range.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Jmac00]

Don’t forget there is an actual way they can tell when and where the ammo was purchased/made. I’d assume there is a record of the background check so they can tell if you bought it in NYS. Also there is a lot number on ammo that would give the manufacture date. If the date of manufacture is past when the background check came into play and it doesn’t line up with the background check or lack thereof then it’s certain you didn’t buy it legally in NYS. That’s why I said I’d pay cash and ditch the box so there is no lot number.

you keep your ammo in the same box you bought it in? I transfer all my ammo to plastic ammo boxes. And most of what I carry is what I reloaded, so Kunty whorchul can kiss my ass

 

[Acer-m14]

i got more boxes .. LOL .



the bottom layer is full ..

 

[Cooolone]

More unconstitutional bullshit from so called legislators who know little else than to exhibit malfeasance towards their constituents!

Unenforceable!

But wait, maybe they'll tax stamp boxes of ammo like tobacco products! Control how many boxes you can possess even...

Sorry to say but FUCK NY!

I've never been asked for ID when purchasing ammo... And if I am, I'd walk out of the store, and they could put my shit back.

But alas, I'm currently in a place where this type of shit is no longer a concern... And yeah, if I decide to purchase completely legal munitions and return to NY with my purchases, what business of the Govt is it? Will NY stretch it's law enforcement resources further by conducting border checks? Send agents to foreign locations absent jurisdiction to surveil NY'ers? Again, the malfeasance is despicable!

Tar & Feathers... Worked back then, and would work now too...

 

[Phazer]

Can't wait for a case where someone who is already "licensed" to possess and carry a pistol in New York is charged for purchasing anmunition for which they were not background checked.

The background check for a pistol permit is significantly more stringent than the check required to purchase ammunition. Ergo, a pistol permit should logically obviate the requirement for an ammunition background check.

 

[kev74]

In totally separate news, I got an email from Target Sports last week that they're opening a store in Scranton, PA where online purchases will be able to be picked up in person...to save on shipping, I'm sure.

 

[Grimscale]

I can't wait until all this "background check" bullshit is ended.
Not a single piece of it is Constitutional.
Our Founding Fathers never had to ask permission of the .gov to purchase their arms. In fact, one of the whole reasons this Country was formed was because they didn't want the .gov of England telling them what to do or stealing their arms.

Permit schemes and background checks.... Nothing but a way for the .gov to lord it over The People.

And the "fees". If having to participate is mandatory, then it isn't a fee, it's a tax. I gain nothing from the transaction that I didn't already have prior to their demands.

The ONLY way to make these background checks and permits even semi-legit is to mandate that NO RECORDS MAY BE KEPT AT ALL, and they are absolutely free to the person being subjected to them.
And they cannot be used to deny someone.

 

[Steal2B]

In totally separate news, I got an email from Target Sports last week that they're opening a store in Scranton, PA where online purchases will be able to be picked up in person...to save on shipping, I'm sure.

I think it is closer for you, to get an easily obtainable CT non-resident permit or a CT ammo card then place an order with Target Sports for pick up at their around the corner brick and mortar sister store Tactical Police Gear / aka TPG Outdoorsman. There will be no delivery charge and they don't scan or record your permit / ammo card. Either way both pick up options are an easy drive off I84 for Hudson Valley NYGF members.

 

[Beerman]

In totally separate news, I got an email from Target Sports last week that they're opening a store in Scranton, PA where online purchases will be able to be picked up in person...to save on shipping, I'm sure.

I wish they’d open a location in Albany.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I wish they’d open a location in Albany.

You would still have to go through a backgroundck if they opened a store in NY anywhere.

 

[Beerman]

You would still have to go through a backgroundck if they opened a store in NY anywhere.

Yeah, but I’d save a lot of money, time, and gas. Albany is 90 miles south of my house. CT and/or PA are considerably further. If TSUSA opened a shop in Albany, though, they’d make a lot of money AND chafe those politicos who oppose freedom.

 

[kev74]

I think it is closer for you, to get an easily obtainable CT non-resident permit or a CT ammo card then place an order with Target Sports for pick up at their around the corner brick and mortar sister store Tactical Police Gear / aka TPG Outdoorsman. There will be no delivery charge and they don't scan or record your permit / ammo card. Either way both pick up options are an easy drive off I84 for Hudson Valley NYGF members.

1:40 to CT.

1:20 to PA, and no permission slip from CT.

I was about to apply for the CT card when I saw the email about the Scranton store.

I might get the CT card anyway.

 

[spat]

Dormant commerce clause. Unconstitutional under longstanding Federal law.

So is most of the rest of NY gun law, but that doesn't stop them.