pjzwtl
.308 Win
I don’t think anyone has to take one for the team to start it’s way to the SC?
NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision
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I have watched several police encounters recently in an urban area..
First, a man ran off with a laptop computer from a repair shop, while owner was working on another box. I was there.
Cops called..no response..fool thief was seen close by, shortly thereafter, with stolen computer, and shop owner and friend chased the thief down and assaulted him, confined him and dragged him and computer back by the ear. Not me, my knees are too bad to run.
Cops came..released guy because computer was now back....no appearance tickets, cops winked at shop owner and left....no one patted down.
Another incident involving a car accident close by.....one party to hospital, other driver questioned, and left by other vehicle..no pat downs.
3rd incident in same area....madman with no shirt, carrying a 2 x 4 began slamming it down on pavement in anger at someone close by; cops came took 2 x 4 let him go...no pat downs.
I am not saying that pat downs may never happen, but you have to be very suspicious, and really nuts, to generate that kind of behavior from cops.
"Appearance tickets" are the norm today ,and as few of them that can be written/generated, is also the norm.
This paranoia sounds like the old "Narcs" paranoia from the 1970's.
No cop is going to find you, for normal behavior, for slipping a gun into your pocket to go out for a bottle of milk after dark....why would he stop you?
Ships passing in the night.........do not display the gun in any way, like 1ames bond....
Bar room carry, is an invitation to ail for sure.
First, a man ran off with a laptop computer from a repair shop, while owner was working on another box. I was there.
Cops called..no response..fool thief was seen close by, shortly thereafter, with stolen computer, and shop owner and friend chased the thief down and assaulted him, confined him and dragged him and computer back by the ear. Not me, my knees are too bad to run.
Cops came..released guy because computer was now back....no appearance tickets, cops winked at shop owner and left....no one patted down.
Another incident involving a car accident close by.....one party to hospital, other driver questioned, and left by other vehicle..no pat downs.
3rd incident in same area....madman with no shirt, carrying a 2 x 4 began slamming it down on pavement in anger at someone close by; cops came took 2 x 4 let him go...no pat downs.
I am not saying that pat downs may never happen, but you have to be very suspicious, and really nuts, to generate that kind of behavior from cops.
"Appearance tickets" are the norm today ,and as few of them that can be written/generated, is also the norm.
This paranoia sounds like the old "Narcs" paranoia from the 1970's.
No cop is going to find you, for normal behavior, for slipping a gun into your pocket to go out for a bottle of milk after dark....why would he stop you?
Ships passing in the night.........do not display the gun in any way, like 1ames bond....
Bar room carry, is an invitation to ail for sure.
Cavalry
.308 Win
So what about the last 100+ years when it was perfectly legal to carry in a bar in NY? Where were the wild west shootouts?
I do not think its appropriate to be shit faced drunk at 2am while carrying but I also do not think a law should prohibit that action. There are already laws prohibiting shooting someone unjustified, menacing, etc that should be enough.
We are not talking about just bars here, we are talking about places that serve alcohol. Go out to dinner at shithole applebees or any thousands of other "bar and grill" type establishments and you would need to be disarmed.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Concealed is concealed is all well and good unless you actually *need* the gun.
If you can't actually use it to legally defend yourself, that becomes a major problem.
There is also a huge difference between "drunk and carrying" vs "carrying where they serve alcohol".
The 1st is utterly irresponsible. The second is utterly normal.
Carrying being on the books as a crime is the problem, full stop.
Some folks WILL receive criminal treatment/suspicion whether warranted or not. Don't know what city you are in, but calling folks paranoid for this wildly broad new felony being added to the books suggests to me that you may be out of touch with urban dynamics.
Egret-II
.40 S&W
I started to see stickers like this around Plains Pennsylvania.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I can see those showing up like the Biden " I did that" stickers.
Egret-II
.40 S&W
For the Westchester people.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Thank God that EVERYTHING in this footage was illegal to possess and "hard to get" in NY. Clearly, social media review would have prevented this.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Centre County PA is where to go. They’ll do it for you.
Seems like there will be endless fuckery. Scotus decisions are too lengthy. There will always be one or two sentences that NY and lower courts will hold on to, to keep the same game going.
It seems I was right, insofar as Alito’s concurrence is the guiding hand for NY. As he said, nothing to see here, you can still have all the requirements you want NY. I don’t see a district court shutting down anything NY is doing, simply because they can point to Alito’s own words. They’ll hang on to that shit for dear life.
Somebody needs to fill out the application as follows:
1) Answer no to any felony or violent crime convictions
2) No references
3) Cross out anywhere that mentions “good moral character”
4) Answer No to illegal drug use
5) Answer “this is irrelevant” to every other question
6) Sue sue sue and hopefully the circuit courts will make the process more straightforward and fair
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Hey, there are a few other counties on that list that are not a suburb of the Bronx.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
The new laws essentially relegate full concealed carry permits, even those with a demonstrated life threatening "proper cause", to a quite useless premise permit putting lives at risk and gutting second amendment rights with the State's vindictive unconstitutional rant. Legal action is overdue.
Egret-II
.40 S&W
I'll be there this Friday!!!!
Newguyhere
.40 S&W
Any word on Westchester's intended plan for upgrading permits to full carry? I have been busy with home and overtime and haven't had a chance to look into it.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
A fundamental thing wrong with NY sign law is that the owner can verbally give you permission but you would still be in violation of that law if he doesn’t have a sign
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
You are incorrect. Police can still conduct terry stops and frisk people.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Also every public space and private business can’t be a special place or whatever they are calling it and restrict your rights there.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Do you know why they didn’t do a pat down? The answer is …. Because they didn’t want to find something. They got rid of someone who would be an easy arrest.
N.Y. Gov. Hochul Sued Over Requirement to Hand Over Social Media Accounts to Apply for Gun License
For the last century, New York’s “proper cause” requirement required gun license applicants to demonstrate a greater need than the average citizen in order to carry a gun. When la…
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Onegunnotenough
.40 S&W
New Yorkistan doesn't have to follow anything.
They didn't follow Heller decision that said you can keep a firearm in your home for self defense, still need a permit to buy it, what makes anyone think this will be any different?l
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
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camper4lyfe
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That first comment is everything wrong right now. I'm sure the comments will only get better from there.
Great. Then what they will find is the biggest, bulkiest OWB holster I can find printing like a billboard, holstering a big ole Chiquita banana. Hey, I'm hypoglycemic and there's no law against carrying a concealed banana, is there?
Overwhelm them with enough wild goose chases, and they'll either drop it or create a law that requires us to open-carry our bananas.
Initially the law grants the owner the right to determine policy or temporarily suspend that policy but the state trumps it anyway because of the sign or lack thereof? Seems to me this is really a trespass issue, in which the state has determined what conditions constitutes a "trespass". The state is not just violating 2A rights, it is violating private property rights.
A somewhat similar analogy would be not being able to track a wounded deer onto posted property even with the owners permission. By that logic, as long as the signs are up, you are trespassing regardless of the owner's permission until the owner takes them down.
Fundamentally wrong is an understatement.
This is awesome lol