Oregon Passes Bill to Allow Judges to Confiscate Guns
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Again damm they won't stop. Sorry there is another post here about that.
Oregon Passes GOP Senator’s Bill Allowing Gun Seizure Order Without Gun Owner’s Knowledge
Oregon Passes GOP Senator’s Bill Allowing Gun Seizure Order Without Gun Owner’s Knowledge
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Just so you all know NYS has the same rule. I was talking with my father last summer and he was at a briefing that this is what will be happening based on the orders of some niagara county judge ruling. I argued with him that it was unconstitutional. At the time of any domestic abuse wether your arrested or charged with a crime or not they are taking your guns now. I said how can they do that if your not charged with a crime. You then have to go petition to try to get them back. That won't happen from what I'm told. I said it's bullshit.
I had a friendly discussion with a member of my local PD, and he relayed something very similar to me as well. He said that what they see happening, is that when somebody with a CCW gets their guns taken, they are taking ALL of their guns,- not just the handguns. Then, the person goes through the meat grinder to get their CCW back, and if successful, they return their handguns, BUT, since the long guns aren't on their CCW permit, the departments are refusing to give them back to the gun owner UNLESS the court orders them to do that!!!
What a bunch of shit that is! He told me that the officers in his and other departments that he is aware of are then taking those long guns when the rightful owner gives up fighting to get them back! That is fucked up!
I recall reading about the case of a guy in Blasdell last year that went through that when cops were called to his house when he was in the midst of a nasty divorce, and they seized all of his guns, but did not arrest him. His CCW was suspended. When it was restored after he went through hoops to get it back, he got his handguns back. But the Buffalo News article pointed out that he had to file separately in NY Supreme Court to get his long guns back. That cost him a small fortune, AND, it took him about 2 years to finally get a court ruling that directed the local PD to return his long guns back to him.
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spat
.950 JDJ
And some wonder why so many people are becoming "anti cop"....
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I'm glad you backed me up. I figured I'd get a whole bunch of your crazy.
Yes that's what happened. This guy ccw was suspended, for it back and the PD would not give his pistol back without a court order either. So now it's for both pistol or riffle. All this over an argument and no arrest or charges filled.
My father said any guns confiscated have to go to the state police to be melted down. I asked if there were auctions or a way for me to buy them. He said no. They have been doing that for the last 20 years. Form what he said I gathered its policy or law so whatever dept is doing that is in violation of I'm assuming NYs police policy.
Of course I don't agree with it, but the cops see the point in it because they don't want to end up in the news headlines such as last week so and so was contacted by police about a domestic issue and last night he killed his wife and kids. My understanding is that's why this judge made this ruling because something similar happened and the pd's are following suit. An argument and murder are very different things. Cops argue with folks all the time. Take away their service guns???
I can understand someone directing their anger at the officer(s) who actually take his firearms, but to me, that is misdirected.
They are following directions from their superiors. The real problem is elsewhere, and that's what needs to be changed!
spat
.950 JDJ
You are correct, but in cases like the one I replied to, it *is* officers who are dragging their feet, and hoping to keep the guns they should have returned with no hassle.
RDN
.357 mag
WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED. THEN ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.
When guns are outlawed I'll be an outlaw
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
yes they are following orders , but a unlawful order is NULL! ..
one job i had i was called a lair ... i punched out and got the car and tossed my tool box into the hatch and drove off .. actually i got the car first , tossed the tools into it then punched out .. took the time card to the BOSS .. I QUIT .. FU .. tell me it take 2 persons to program a machine when the other does not know how .. FU ,...
2 hours later i get a knock at the door .. wtf .. oh co-worker .. i quit too .. .. we cracked a beer and moved on ..
some of us have core morals that won't be passed ... its the line in the sand ... I will never follow a BOSS telling me to do something i don't agree with .. i will walk the F out ... been at this job for 18 yrs now .. i don't put up with crap .. the one i walked on was there for 8 ..
where is yours ?? ..
I really would love to see more LEO just say FkIT .. like the NYC ones turning there backs on the Mayor ..
US good guys have there backs .. but I think we need there help too and we would all be right behind them ..
the end ... BAD UNMORAL SCUM BAGS DON'T CARE .. WE DO!!! ..
Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!! This kind of bullshit just doesn't stop.
Everyday, in every way, I realize the fiancee and I should have bailed to the middle of nowhere in Alabama or Appalachia.
This country is long gone. Loonies shooting cops, not even in stand up fights. People's civil rights removed by black robed fools in Star Chambers on the word of unstable (am I being redundant here?) women. Fascists are actually the opposite, and vice versa.
Lying is actual, not perceived, truth. Late term abortion is not murder. Charlie Gard must be allowed a "dignified death", but he MUST die. Perverts, fascists and commies running rampant in the Vatican while a mindless globalist gibbers vile shit from the mouth of the "Holy See".
Beached Repub whales close beaches to sun their blubber. Hired rioting anarchist stooges burn and trash cities and injure police and civilians, for a "cause" of moneyed elites, and they don't get the monumental irony.
People make innumerable threats against the current POTUS, and little or nothing is done, while 1 year ago those threats would have gotten your door kicked in, a crap ton of stun grenades and at least a good ass beating - but that never happened, did it, because there were few if any threats against Obola.
That light up ahead IS the fast freight train we've all talked so much about. There is NO good light at the end of the tunnel, because that light IS the fast freight ready to blow our lives to hell and back.
Frankly, no one REALLY cares, because the writing isn't just on the wall, it's everywhere. And we all know, deep down, that's it's too fucking late to get off the tracks.
Everyday, in every way, I realize the fiancee and I should have bailed to the middle of nowhere in Alabama or Appalachia.
This country is long gone. Loonies shooting cops, not even in stand up fights. People's civil rights removed by black robed fools in Star Chambers on the word of unstable (am I being redundant here?) women. Fascists are actually the opposite, and vice versa.
Lying is actual, not perceived, truth. Late term abortion is not murder. Charlie Gard must be allowed a "dignified death", but he MUST die. Perverts, fascists and commies running rampant in the Vatican while a mindless globalist gibbers vile shit from the mouth of the "Holy See".
Beached Repub whales close beaches to sun their blubber. Hired rioting anarchist stooges burn and trash cities and injure police and civilians, for a "cause" of moneyed elites, and they don't get the monumental irony.
People make innumerable threats against the current POTUS, and little or nothing is done, while 1 year ago those threats would have gotten your door kicked in, a crap ton of stun grenades and at least a good ass beating - but that never happened, did it, because there were few if any threats against Obola.
That light up ahead IS the fast freight train we've all talked so much about. There is NO good light at the end of the tunnel, because that light IS the fast freight ready to blow our lives to hell and back.
Frankly, no one REALLY cares, because the writing isn't just on the wall, it's everywhere. And we all know, deep down, that's it's too fucking late to get off the tracks.
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Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
it's right in the SAFE Act, lose your CCW permit, and they take ALL your guns.
Yeah, just another reason why I won't get a handgun permit in NY. Wouldn't be able to carry during work anyway. I'm not playing that game. Moving out of state in a few years, and then I'll get my permit. Without the hassle.
FUAC.
Yeah, just another reason why I won't get a handgun permit in NY. Wouldn't be able to carry during work anyway. I'm not playing that game. Moving out of state in a few years, and then I'll get my permit. Without the hassle.
FUAC.
RDN
.357 mag
prambo
"Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!! This kind of bullshit just doesn't stop."
That's right. Gun-grabber will never stop trying to take your 2nd Amend. rights from you.
They are like Terminators
"The Gun-grabbers are out there, they can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel pity or remorse over your personal / family safety, and they absolutely will not stop...EVER, untill your firearms are gone !!"
"Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!! This kind of bullshit just doesn't stop."
That's right. Gun-grabber will never stop trying to take your 2nd Amend. rights from you.
They are like Terminators
"The Gun-grabbers are out there, they can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel pity or remorse over your personal / family safety, and they absolutely will not stop...EVER, untill your firearms are gone !!"
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I agree with you they know the law and should not follow judges directions. You can not take away a right for no charges. Same argument I had with my dad. I said you can't arrest and imprison someone without charges so why take their guns.
However once taken they need a court order to give them back. I don't think it should be up to a cop to decide weather or not to give them back. In cases of mental illness or other situations cops are not qualified to return them or not.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Dam there's hardly Any cake left
Problem is calling it your job, ie, following orders don't make it right!
You can seize cars, houses, etc., but to seize property which is a Protected Constitutional Right "before" standing could be established is unacceptable! From a Judge no less?!?! Well... This is why you don't keep all your goodies in one place! And if you have a safe, bolt that bad boy down good and refuse to open it! Lol... But no worries, soon if you post something derogatory, or say something to someone and they report you to the Political Correctness Police, you'll loose more than just your guns! You'll be sent to re-education camps until you like Kool-aid and float like a snowflake!
You can seize cars, houses, etc., but to seize property which is a Protected Constitutional Right "before" standing could be established is unacceptable! From a Judge no less?!?! Well... This is why you don't keep all your goodies in one place! And if you have a safe, bolt that bad boy down good and refuse to open it! Lol... But no worries, soon if you post something derogatory, or say something to someone and they report you to the Political Correctness Police, you'll loose more than just your guns! You'll be sent to re-education camps until you like Kool-aid and float like a snowflake!
spat
.950 JDJ
Sure, they are. Either a reason still exists for them to take them, or it doesn't. If there is no valid reason to take them now, then they should give them back with no fuss. If they weren't qualified to decide whether to take them or not, then they shouldn't have haave taken them at all.
If they had taken something else, and the reason they took it was determined to be false, or no longer valid, it shouldn't take a court order to get them back. Why would guns be different ?
Because....GUNZZZZZZZ......, that's why.