Were you pro US of A when we invaded Irag the first time? Or the second?
Any idea how many innocent lives were taken there? How many homes were destroyed? How many towns and villages?
Just curious if you think that was okay?
Russia or the Ukraine? Which side do you support?
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Were you pro US of A when we invaded Irag the first time? Or the second?
Any idea how many innocent lives were taken there? How many homes were destroyed? How many towns and villages?
Just curious if you think that was okay?
spat
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Iraq invaded Kuwait. That's what started the whole gulf war 1 off.
The equivalent today would be us pushing Putin back out of Ukraine.
It's not an invasion if you're repelling another invader at the request of the invaded country.
Gulf war 2, not so much.
Blimey
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First time I was a dumb kid, so I knew little of it. Second time I was for it. Although I never bought the lie that bush was very happy to let others push that iraq had any relationship to 911 whatsoever (and this was justification for many), I always knew saddam was a piece of shit, and I did buy the lie that they were in major breach of UN regulations.
I was lied to plain, and simple. Bush should have faced criminal charges for his role in perpetrating the 2003 iraq invasion and I will never forgive him or his cronies for being complicit in it. It was a bogus invasion built on lies--rather like the one we're seeing here.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
What about everybody in Congress that voted to go to war? This would include your patron saint Hillary? Should'nt they all face criminal charges?There was what turned out to be bad intel about his wmd's,Bush didnt go it alone, he had Congress' backing on this.
Blimey
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You got me. I love hillary. Anyway, Obama didn't vote for it.
Stop with pulling the heartstrings. Doubt you know anything about war. Unfortunate innocent lives are lost always. Yes tragic and sad..You only are hearing one side of the story as once again we did through all of Covid. If you think the NWO isn't a thing your head is in the clouds! Countless politicians have spoke of it through the years..yeah - tell that to the men, woman and children that are being slaughtered by Putin - I am sure that will let them sleep soundly in their beds each night
The NWO - you have been watching too many James Bond movies
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Obama was a no show just like he did throughout his tenure as a senator.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Is it possible that the only reason the media and politicians are up in arms over this incursion, but none of the middle east, African or South American fighting going on is because the Ukrainians and Russians are white, and our racist media and politicians don't care when brown people kill each other? 
Right? How many people did we kill when O was in office? No outrage then. What about Bush?
yep I know it’s true - I watched every version of the movie
Pretty sure that is Gorbachev on the left and Putin on the right ready to take over
All the 100% facts were also in the Dan Brown books (or fortune tellers)……..I need to read the Da Vinci code again to get ready for its coming………or is it already here
Dan Brown Quote: “New World Order,” Langdon repeated, “based on scientific enlightenment. They called it their Luciferian Doctrine.”
“New World Order,” Langdon repeated, “based on scientific enlightenment. They called it their Luciferian Doctrine.” — Quote by Dan Brown
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The Russian troop escalation went on for months and the invasion timeline was given, yet nothing was done to avoid it and now everyone's asking questions ?
A little to late to point fingers now and civilians in the region knew what was coming, so if they didn't leave when they had the chance, they have no one else to blame and the rest of the world shouldn't have to bear the burden.
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A little to late to point fingers now and civilians in the region knew what was coming, so if they didn't leave when they had the chance, they have no one else to blame and the rest of the world shouldn't have to bear the burden.
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Are you saying the NWO doesn't exist? lol or do you watch SNL garbage?yep I know it’s true - I watched every version of the movie
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Pretty sure that is Gorbachev on the left and Putin on the right ready to take over
All the 100% facts were also in the Dan Brown books (or fortune tellers)……..I need to read the Da Vinci code again to get ready for its coming………or is it already here
Dan Brown Quote: “New World Order,” Langdon repeated, “based on scientific enlightenment. They called it their Luciferian Doctrine.”
“New World Order,” Langdon repeated, “based on scientific enlightenment. They called it their Luciferian Doctrine.” — Quote by Dan Brown
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
There are liability issues to show illegally pirated copyright theatrical material. Much of this video is clearly taken from Lord of the Rings scenes of Orcs marching to battle while chanting "Death to Man"
Jcp123
.357 mag
FWIW, I was too young to know what was going on during Gulf 1, but we were requested to intervene, so while I don’t support foreign interventionism a la John Quicy Adams’ warning not to seek foreign monsters to slay, it was at least not a clusterf**k of questionable decisions. Gulf II was not a good move. Although I think there was at least some good-faith reasoning that Saddam had some bad weapons, it was overall a lie and one of the reasons why Putin can look at the West and say, why can’t I have mine? And as stated earlier, I don’t think it takes much imagination to look at the Russian and Soviet empires of the past and reason that if the West had colonies and they were OK with that for so long, Putin might as well again join the party, albeit belatedly.
Something here feels off though. Putin is usually more interested in Sabre-rattling and bluster than pulling the trigger on something like this. And making nuclear threats after this, while I’d normally say is a part of his brinkmanship, has to give us pause now that he’s shown a total willingness to follow through on threats. I don’t know what’s going through his mind, but he’s gone from merely being an asshole to being both a threat and a madman.
spat
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Cultivating an image of being a madman can be a useful tactic, even if you are not one.
As evidence I present how much more seriously people are taking Putin's nuclear threats now that they think he is a bit unhinged.
The whole "madman" thing could be a carefully orchestrated act.
That is supposedly how trump got the north korean dictator to the negotiating table. A story I heard was the north koreans asked around in the nations they have friendly relations with - does trump really mean what he says? The answer was they didn't know if that crazy fucker would actually do something. So he agreed to sit down with trump. Not sure it's true but I think it's plausible.
I do not believe in the NWO………..like I don’t believe Elvis is still alive either or that the X-Files was a true TV show
I would like to see the evidence of this over the decades it has supposedly been in place/happening,,,,,,,every “documentary” is just some conspiracy theory for TV, worse than SNL
And have never watched a full episode of SNL - hate the show
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I think Kim has been begging for an audience with every POTUS since Clinton, Trump was the first one who agreed to talk to him.
And low and behold it worked. You don't need yo airdrop pallets of cash like Kerry does with Iran. You just need to sit down and talk with them head of state to head of state.
Trump's business negotiation skills shined there. he is very used to negotiating from that exact position, as peer to peer, but he’s a far more powerful peer.
Clinton, Kerry, all the rest negotiate from this diplomatic mindset of "let me see with I can get them to say without saying anything myself".
Trump is more like "I want them to do this, and here's my limits of what I'm willing to do to accomplish it".
Authoritarian leaders will respect the more straightforward approach of Trump, and they will see the typical Washington DC approach as a sign of weakness to be exploited.
And exploit us they have. I think odds are very good we'll see Iran conduct a nuclear test before we get the Biden/Harris administration out of the white house.
Came right out of George Bush1 mouth and a host of others.
Try using a search engine. There is plenty of evidence out there if you want to look for it.
Evidence
yeah okThink I captured most of the EVIDENCE here
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Evil.fandom.com. got it! LolUh huh
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spat
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You can reasonably discuss what it means, but to deny it exists in the face of the mountain of evidence that it does is foolish.
Here is the video of Bush announcing it.
Or did he just announce it on National TV as a joke ?
Don't feed the troll.
livingston
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The Man Who Sold Ukraine
Volodymyr Zelensky is the current President of Ukraine. He was elected in a landslide victory in 2019 on the promise of easing tensions with Russia and resolving the crisis in the breakaway republics in east Ukraine. He has made no attempt to keep his word on either issue. Instead, he has greatly exacerbated Ukraine’s internal crisis while relentlessly provoking Russia. Zelensky has had numerous opportunities to smooth things over with Moscow and prevent the outbreak of hostilities. Instead, he has consistently made matters worse by blindly following Washington’s directives.
Zelensky has been lionized in the west and praised for his personal bravery. But—as a practical matter—he has failed to restore national unity or implement the crucial peace accord that is the only path to reconciliation. The Ukrainian president doesn’t like the so-called Minsk Protocol and has refused to meet its basic requirements. As a result, the ethnically-charged, fratricidal war that has engulfed Ukraine for the last 8 years, continues to this day with no end in sight. President Vladimir Putin referred to Zelensky’s obstinance in a recent speech delivered at the Kremlin. He said:
Interesting read folks. Thoughts ?
Scroll through the comments section. What is plain to me .... Folks we really don't have a clue what started this conflict .. It seems this country has been very good for many families of our politician's (money wise ) far beyond hunter .. And we will talk about both parties .... I believe Joe wants to send in another Billion to this country..(Is it still 10% for the big guy ? )
Volodymyr Zelensky is the current President of Ukraine. He was elected in a landslide victory in 2019 on the promise of easing tensions with Russia and resolving the crisis in the breakaway republics in east Ukraine. He has made no attempt to keep his word on either issue. Instead, he has greatly exacerbated Ukraine’s internal crisis while relentlessly provoking Russia. Zelensky has had numerous opportunities to smooth things over with Moscow and prevent the outbreak of hostilities. Instead, he has consistently made matters worse by blindly following Washington’s directives.
Zelensky has been lionized in the west and praised for his personal bravery. But—as a practical matter—he has failed to restore national unity or implement the crucial peace accord that is the only path to reconciliation. The Ukrainian president doesn’t like the so-called Minsk Protocol and has refused to meet its basic requirements. As a result, the ethnically-charged, fratricidal war that has engulfed Ukraine for the last 8 years, continues to this day with no end in sight. President Vladimir Putin referred to Zelensky’s obstinance in a recent speech delivered at the Kremlin. He said:
Most Americans fail to realize that Zelensky’s rejection of Minsk was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Russian officials had worked for 8 years on Minsk hammering out terms that would be agreeable to all parties. Then—at the eleventh hour—Zelensky put the kibosh on the deal with a wave of the hand. Why? Who told Zelensky to scrap the agreement? Washington?
The Man Who Sold Ukraine
Volodymyr Zelensky is the current President of Ukraine. He was elected in a landslide victory in 2019 on the promise of easing tensions with Russia and resolving the crisis in the breakaway republics in east Ukraine. He has made no attempt to keep his word on either issue. Instead, he has...
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Interesting read folks. Thoughts ?
Scroll through the comments section. What is plain to me .... Folks we really don't have a clue what started this conflict .. It seems this country has been very good for many families of our politician's (money wise ) far beyond hunter .. And we will talk about both parties .... I believe Joe wants to send in another Billion to this country..(Is it still 10% for the big guy ? )
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Saltwater60
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We will be in this war by the end of the week to some degree. Now NATO planes can keep Russian planes out of Ukrainian air space and I bet you one shoots down one or the other and then it’s all over.