Russian Coup?
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holdover
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You dont really believe that happened do Ya? Snicker snicker
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Bigfoot
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The thread title should be updated to...
"Kind of sort of a Russian coup but not really"
"Kind of sort of a Russian coup but not really"
What doesn't compute with me is it's 1200 kms from Ukraine to Moscow.
Moving an armored column essentially in 18-24 hours "allegedly" almost that full distance, in a hostile environment where the host country doesn't want you to do so and has air superiority and will destroy your unbelievable logistics supply lines and support, yea that's not adding up.
Something is so off here but I will never know what the real truth was.
One thing Ive learned is that since the integration of the internet and social media the only truth is we will never know the truth. We can guess, we can analyze, we can predict, we can review and make educated guesses but we will never know the honest to God unmitigated truth anymore. I'm not sure if we ever have known it but it's for certain now.
Something is really not adding up. The best I can come up with is always asking myself "who stand to benefit the most?". Well Putin now essentially has an excuse to mobilize all of Russia, has determined who is loyal to him and who is not, has kept NATO off balance, had a valid excuse to reposition troops for an unknown reason and I would say has consolidated his power. I think Russia is preparing for full out war with NATO. It makes sense, look back to what douchenozzle Graham and Blumenthal were espousing last week. Read between the lines and predict where this is leading.
holdover
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One thing I was thinking , but have no proof, is that Prigozhin double crossed the CIA and played them for the 6.2 billion dollars that is missing .
to me , it makes a lot of sense. Putin may have even got a piece of it , knew what was going on all along, why his airborne troops werent flown to Moscow. why he just forgave a traitor that was intending on marching on Moscow. and the fact that Biden cant do anything right.
I guess we will never know .
to me , it makes a lot of sense. Putin may have even got a piece of it , knew what was going on all along, why his airborne troops werent flown to Moscow. why he just forgave a traitor that was intending on marching on Moscow. and the fact that Biden cant do anything right.
I guess we will never know .
It's equally plausible we tried to buy off prigozhin and our government procurement/accounting programs are incompetent. Neither cause of missing 6 BILLION dollars would surprise me.
stokes
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Well, I have as much proof that it happened as you do that it didnt. Snicker snicker.
Robin
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Nobody bit Vlad, you been had. Well, some did, but not the ones that mattered.
Robin
Thought this was fitting, thanks Livingston.
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Robin
Thought this was fitting, thanks Livingston.
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DoOver
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DoOver
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Robin
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Well, maybe some did that we don't know about. We will just have to keep an eye on people falling out of tall buildings, and those coming down with sudden mysterious illness'.
Robin
This just in, “the Biden administration is taking credit for brokering a peace agreement with the Taliban and North Koreans Wagnar group and the North Vietnamese Russians.”
press secretary Raggedy Ann
press secretary Raggedy Ann
holdover
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I suppose your right, but I base my opinions on the evidence , I see no evidence about this attack that killed 2000 men. No bodies no burning buildings no places named .But if you want to take this at face value , ok.
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Beerman
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Shit- I know EXACTLY what is going on, every secret detail, but I’m not telling the jackwagons on *THIS* board! We rule, dude!
stokes
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Not taking anything at face value, just commenting on whats being reported. Do you really believe they got to within 200 miles of Moscow? Regardless of the Wagner forces being blown up as they said or not, I just cant see Putin allowing them to get that close unless there was a plan we dont know about. Like the CIA giving this guy billions to stage a coup, he started it and when he got the money he divvied up with Putin and went away. No evidence of that either, just idle commentary. Which is all anybody can do at this point, its all a mystery.
Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say or imply that.
Bizarre claim of 2000 Wagner mercenaries killed by Russian forces came from Prigozhin without any evidence which he could have easily provided. This is why this claim can be discounted.
Prove it happened
Prove it didn't happen
There's so much propaganda, selective reporting and deliberate falsification that we're probably never going to know what really happened.
When someone makes a bizarre or sensational claim, he has the burden of proof, especially when that claim is provable.
stokes
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Didnt mean to imply that I believed it.
holdover
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Well, one is just a theoretical possibility known as a double cross, the other was a report by the press as a fact. which is fine, but because the press lies so much Id like to see some evidence that Russia attacked one the best units they had fighting for them.the attack was the reason given for Wagners march toward Moscow. Russia just attacked them in their barracks killing 2000 of them for what reason? It might have happened , its possible, but not likely.
I cant prove a negative, that they weren't attacked , but if you have any real evidence, Ill concede the point.
The thing is , nothing about this story made any sense from the get go, and the sources , are pathological liars , so I'm pretty skeptical .
where did wagner think it was going to get supplies from? the russian army? wagner had 25000 troops, where is it going to get 25000 meals a day from? wagner has no airforce . the whole story was weak.
holdover
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the information is very limited and slanted
No argument there
I can't figure out why the west media went from treating prigozhin like he's Saddam to thinking he's righteous in the span of 24 hours.
It's not adding up
spat
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The default is "we don't know".
Unless one or the other of the claims is widely improbable, then the default is "we don't know", and any claim otherwise, in *either* direction needs evidence.
In other cases where *both* options are widely improbable, then the default is also "we just don't know".
holdover
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Describing the Congressional briefings, The New York Times reported late Saturday that "U.S. spy agencies had indications days earlier that Mr. Prigozhin was planning something and worked to refine that material into a finished assessment, officials said."
"The information shows that the United States was aware of impending events in Russia, similar to how intelligence agencies had warned in late 2021 that Vladimir V. Putin was planning to invade Ukraine."
But unlike in the case of those prior invasion warnings of February 2022, the US administration stayed silent ahead of the dramatic Wagner events, likely hoping that it would create destabilization in the Russian state, and negatively impact military operations in Ukraine. So far, there's been little evidence to suggest the whole short-lived mutiny by Wagner led to significant Ukrainian gains along the frontlines.
The Times explains the rationale of its intel sources as follows:
holdover
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If the default is We dont know , then the press should say we dont know, not print it as a fact. the only one claiming the Russians bombed Wagner is Prigozhin . what the hell kind of journalism is that?
spat
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Yellow. That is yellow journalism.
In 2023 most journalists have been pedaling propaganda so thick and heavy for so long, that they don't even know how to properly report a story when they *don't* have an associated agenda.
Proper journalism would be to report that Prigozhin alleged that attack, and used it as justification to move into Rostov ( assuming we have independent corroboration that *that* even happened)
They are all about creating a narrative, and not at all about enumerating facts anymore. They don't even know *how* to report a story without fabricating a narrative. Journalism is dead.