SCOTUS Case Right to Carry Firearm for Self Defense

[Edwardteach72]

Theyrr more interested in how much available credit you're using these days. So don't close accounts with 0 balance. Keep them open, it adds to your total available credit and makes you look better. This is how my tax preparer CPA explained it to us a few years back.

And also how long your accounts have been active..

Closing a 10 year revolving account with 100% on time payments is stupid and will kill your credit score.

You lose that "available credit" lose that on time good standings, and lose that 10 years of credit average from your overall history

 

[Defilade]

Major Second Amendment Win in Illinois; Could a Major Win in the Supreme Court be Next?

Chicago, IL — “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be

thelibertyloft.com

 

[BerettaGuy]

Major Second Amendment Win in Illinois; Could a Major Win in the Supreme Court be Next?

Chicago, IL — “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be

thelibertyloft.com

Read this Judge's findings carefully and then apply what he is saying to us in New York.

“If the right to bear arms and self-defense are truly core rights, there should be no burden on the citizenry to enjoy those rights, especially within the confines and privacy of their own homes,” Webb wrote in his opinion. “A citizen’s Second Amendment rights should not be treated in the same manner as a driver’s license.” Webb added: “Unfortunately, the State of Illinois, through the FOID Card Act, doesn’t recognize a citizen’s Second Amendment Right to armed self-defense within the privacy of their home, unless and until they can pay the $10 fee, provide a photograph, and demonstrate that they don’t meet any of the litany of disqualifying criteria. In the eyes of this Court, the entire process is inverted. The burden should be on the state.” Webb added: “This (FOID) act makes criminals out of law-abiding citizens who are attempting to protect their lives within their homes.” Beyond the requirement to obtain a FOID card, the Illinois State Police (ISP) has been unable to process applications in a timely manner which led to a lawsuit last year by the Illinois State Rifle Association. The FOID Act requires applications be approved or denied within 30 days, but last year the ISP admitted wait times of nearly 100 days.

For NY Application
“If the right to bear arms and self-defense are truly core rights, there should be no burden on the citizenry to enjoy those rights, especially within the confines and privacy of their own homes,” “A citizen’s Second Amendment rights should not be treated in the same manner as a driver’s license.” “Unfortunately, the State of New York, through the Sullivan Ace (Pistol Concealed Carry License), doesn’t recognize a citizen’s Second Amendment Right to armed self-defense within the privacy of their home, unless and until they can pay the $300 in fees/classes/travel for references/fingerprints, provide a photograph, and demonstrate that they don’t meet any of the litany of disqualifying criteria. In the eyes of this Court, the entire process is inverted. The burden should be on the state.” “This (Carry Concealsed License/ Sullivan) act makes criminals out of law-abiding citizens who are attempting to protect their lives within their homes.” Beyond the requirement to obtain a Licence to Carry Concealed, the NY State Police has been unable to process applications in a timely manner. The Sullivan Act requires applications be approved or denied within 90 days, but last year the NY State admitted wait times of nearly 100 days. to 400 days

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Read this Judge's findings carefully and then apply what he is saying to us in New York.

“If the right to bear arms and self-defense are truly core rights, there should be no burden on the citizenry to enjoy those rights, especially within the confines and privacy of their own homes,” Webb wrote in his opinion. “A citizen’s Second Amendment rights should not be treated in the same manner as a driver’s license.” Webb added: “Unfortunately, the State of Illinois, through the FOID Card Act, doesn’t recognize a citizen’s Second Amendment Right to armed self-defense within the privacy of their home, unless and until they can pay the $10 fee, provide a photograph, and demonstrate that they don’t meet any of the litany of disqualifying criteria. In the eyes of this Court, the entire process is inverted. The burden should be on the state.” Webb added: “This (FOID) act makes criminals out of law-abiding citizens who are attempting to protect their lives within their homes.” Beyond the requirement to obtain a FOID card, the Illinois State Police (ISP) has been unable to process applications in a timely manner which led to a lawsuit last year by the Illinois State Rifle Association. The FOID Act requires applications be approved or denied within 30 days, but last year the ISP admitted wait times of nearly 100 days.

For NY Application
“If the right to bear arms and self-defense are truly core rights, there should be no burden on the citizenry to enjoy those rights, especially within the confines and privacy of their own homes,” “A citizen’s Second Amendment rights should not be treated in the same manner as a driver’s license.” “Unfortunately, the State of New York, through the Sullivan Ace (Pistol Concealed Carry License), doesn’t recognize a citizen’s Second Amendment Right to armed self-defense within the privacy of their home, unless and until they can pay the $300 in fees/classes/travel for references/fingerprints, provide a photograph, and demonstrate that they don’t meet any of the litany of disqualifying criteria. In the eyes of this Court, the entire process is inverted. The burden should be on the state.” “This (Carry Concealsed License/ Sullivan) act makes criminals out of law-abiding citizens who are attempting to protect their lives within their homes.” Beyond the requirement to obtain a Licence to Carry Concealed, the NY State Police has been unable to process applications in a timely manner. The Sullivan Act requires applications be approved or denied within 90 days, but last year the NY State admitted wait times of nearly 100 days. to 400 days

Except the Illinios case is talking about "in the home" not outside the home.

 

[Acer-m14]

the NY State Police has been unable to process applications in a timely manner. The Sullivan Act requires applications be approved or denied within 90 days, but last year the NY State admitted wait times of nearly 100 days. to 400 days

isn't the NYSP just doing the safe act PP renewals that's there part ?? not issuing first time PP .. that's still thru your county and it can still that long ... violating the 90 days of the Sullivan Act

 

[BerettaGuy]

isn't the NYSP just doing the safe act PP renewals that's there part ?? not issuing first time PP .. that's still thru your county and it can still that long ... violating the 90 days of the Sullivan Act

The law says: Types of licenses.  A license for gunsmith or dealer in firearms shall be issued to engage in such business.  A license for a pistol or revolver, other than an assault weapon or a disguised gun, shall be issued to (a) have and possess in his dwelling by a householder;  (b) have and possess in his place of business by a merchant or storekeeper;  (c) have and carry concealed while so employed by a messenger employed by a banking institution or express company;  (d) have and carry concealed by a justice of the supreme court in the first or second judicial departments, or by a judge of the New York city civil court or the New York city criminal court;  (e) have and carry concealed while so employed by a regular employee of an institution of the state, or of any county, city, town or village, under control of a commissioner of correction of the city or any warden, superintendent or head keeper of any state prison, penitentiary, workhouse, county jail or other institution for the detention of persons convicted or accused of crime or held as witnesses in criminal cases, provided that application is made therefor by such commissioner, warden, superintendent or head keeper;  (f) have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof;  and (g) have, possess, collect and carry antique pistols which are defined as follows:  (i) any single shot, muzzle loading pistol with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system manufactured in or before l898, which is not designed for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition;  and (ii) any replica of any pistol described in clause (i) hereof if such replica--

The licensing officer shall no later than ten business days after the receipt of such investigation, determine if the applicant has been previously denied a license, been convicted of a felony, or been convicted of a serious offense, and either approve or disapprove the applicant for exemption purposes based upon such determinations.

Upon completion of the investigation, the police authority shall report the results to the licensing officer without unnecessary delay.
Yeahhhhh how is that working out for us?

 

[Acer-m14]

The licensing officer shall no later than ten business days after the receipt of such investigation, determine if the applicant has been previously denied a license, been convicted of a felony, or been convicted of a serious offense, and either approve or disapprove the applicant for exemption purposes based upon such determinations.

so .. the PP application form it self is in violation .. i see from above not one word on having to list references for them to contact ..

all they need is name , dob, ssn maybe but that has a law about it that has been broken for yrs .. drivers license .. just the basic info needed
to pull up a persons criminal record. .. and basically most of this is done at a 10 to 15 min traffic stop

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Baby steps people, baby steps.
For those of you that think there is no hope- why are you sitting back comfortably in your home in that case? If you think there is no hope you should be out burning and shooting everything down. Unless you are content to live as slaves in which case you don't deserve to have any rights.

I believe that the night is darkest before dawn, that eventually, with struggle, hard work and patience we will see a restoration of our rights. It will take small steps, small victories to achieve, over a longer period than any of us would like but we will get there. Anyone that thinks otherwise better start revolting. Or putting on your most comfortable knee pads, have some tissue ready to go.

Amen brother. A lot of hard work has been done already, i.e. Constitutional carry, and it didn't happen overnight.

 

[BerettaGuy]

This upcoming SCOTUS gun case is about the state of NY totally ignoring the Consitution and placing infringements on its citizens by passing laws that are at the very least arbitrary and capricious.

In NY the only way to legally own a handgun is to apply for and be granted a CCW permit. So, I don't see it as a Second Amendment Case. It is a case to set the lower courts on the correct path! Either follow the Constitution or stand down.

Should States and Cities be allowed to not follow Miranda, as long as they pass a law?
Should states and cities be allowed to pass laws dictating who sits where on a bus?
Can Cities and States be allowed to arrest and detain people for speaking against a corrupt Mayor or Governor?
Can Cities and States be allowed to stop and frisk without cause?
Can Cities and States be allowed to enter your home without cause or a warrant?
Can Cities and States pass a law that allows torture and beatings during an interrogation?
Hey, all of the above is for the public good right?

If any Supreme Court Justice votes against this case, they are in effect saying.
Forget about it! The Constitution does not apply to the states and they can do whatever the hell they want.