spat
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That's the point.
If you're not going in because it's too dangerous, we'll make staying out here more dangerous.
Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school
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If you're not going in because it's too dangerous, we'll make staying out here more dangerous.
This was awesome!
Acer-m14
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speaking of shot guns .. and that locked door .. when did the LEO's take the shotguns out of there cars . ??
shit i remember every car had one standing up off the center console and i think this towns cop cars sill do ..
cant breach a door my ass .. we need a key .
shit i remember every car had one standing up off the center console and i think this towns cop cars sill do ..
cant breach a door my ass .. we need a key .
ECU Pirates
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Reports now saying the police were "waiting for protective gear" and the chief was quoted as saying "People are going to ask why we're taking so long." These guys are an embarrassment.
GOYABEAN
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99cummins
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Uvalde school police chief: Uh, I didn't know I was in charge at the scene
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again: What was the point of the mass shooting drills organized by the district if they failed to iron out basic details like the chain of command once a shoo...
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spat
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They call the 12 ga the master key...
Put a breeching brake on them and carry a couple of the powdered lead breeching loads.
There isn't a department in the country that can't afford that.
Especially one with a SWAT team that isn't on call for emergencies.
Does that mean their SWAT team was *only* for serving warrants in the most ridiculous way possible ?
Acer-m14
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Uvalde school police chief says he didn't know that he was in charge during the child massacre and explains why he didn't know about 911 calls from children inside | Blaze Media
The Uvalde school police chief who has been lambasted for the lack of police response in the child massacre said that he didn't know he was in charge at the time and explained how he didn't know about 911 calls coming from inside the school. Pete Arredondo, the chief of police for the Uvalde...
www.theblaze.com
The chief gives his side of the story:
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www.texastribune.org
Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman
Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.
www.texastribune.org
Stuckinny
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The chief gives his side of the story:
Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman
Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.
And shocker, he is the hero of his own story.
Janitor didn't have keys? Front office didn't have keys? Maglock couldn't be opened by the office? Open door not notified at control panel?
Fire department/ cops didn't have key to the lock box for the master key inset in the brick by the front door?
Fire department/ cops didn't have key to the lock box for the master key inset in the brick by the front door?
Every swat team in American has hooligan tools. Also I bet they have an up armored vehicle. There are plenty of ways to breach that door.
And if swat didn't, I bet the fire department could have.
The police chief let those children die to further a political agenda for his butt buddy.
On a side note when are we going change the title of police chief. Pretty sure that is native American culture appropriation.
spat
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I guarantee every parent there could have gotten in the door in 30 seconds if they were allowed near it.
When you DGAF if it ever closes again, that opens up a lot of options.
99cummins
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So being shot at would certainly change things a bit but I’m sure a couple decent firefighters with a set of irons (flat head axe and a halligan bar) could force that door. Or even go through the lock. Or many depts carry a rabbit tool which is a like a porta power for forcing doors. I’d like to see a good picture of the door. Guessing a heavy wood or metal door in a steel frame in a cinder block wall. Tougher door to force but not impossible. Might be able to pull the lock cylinder or punch it through and manipulate the lock with a screwdriver.
Acer-m14
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don't schools have something like this below in the hallways ??
Acer-m14
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do not just focus on the door knob and lock ... take a look at the damn hinges too . pew pew pew .. 3 hinges disabled
99cummins
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Probably an inward swinging door so you wouldn’t see the hinges but you can attack a door on the hinge side. I think through the lock or forcing with irons would have been the answer assuming you weren’t being shot at.
I would imagine trying to open a steel framed door with a halligan tool while being shot at would be an aweful tough go. Which is also why I still can't grasp why they didn't have teams regroup and go to windows.
More than one door at the school, use a different door/window.
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Uvalde schools police chief says he did not consider himself incident commander
Uvalde schools police chief Pete Arredondo said he never considered himself the incident commander of the scene of last month's school shooting in Texas that killed 19 children and two teachers, and that he did not order police to hold back on breaching the building.
www.reuters.com
So, who was in charge? Hmmm...
spat
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Even if you just stand in the hall and poke the door with a stick to get him to shoot at it.
That means he's not shooting kids.
It means he is burning ammo up.
And eventually he'll shoot through the door for you.
Or, you know, you load some bird shot and blow the lock right out of the door.
spat
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If he wasn't in charge, who did he think he was taking orders from ?Uvalde schools police chief says he did not consider himself incident commander
Uvalde schools police chief Pete Arredondo said he never considered himself the incident commander of the scene of last month's school shooting in Texas that killed 19 children and two teachers, and that he did not order police to hold back on breaching the building.
So, who was in charge? Hmmm...
99cummins
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If he wasn’t in charge who ordered the larping cucks in tac gear not to go in?Uvalde schools police chief says he did not consider himself incident commander
Uvalde schools police chief Pete Arredondo said he never considered himself the incident commander of the scene of last month's school shooting in Texas that killed 19 children and two teachers, and that he did not order police to hold back on breaching the building.
So, who was in charge? Hmmm...
Dr. Evil
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Texas cops waited 77 minutes to attempt entering Uvalde classrooms under attack: report
Footage shows cops at the Uvalde, Texas school massacre waited 77 minutes before even trying to open the doors to two classrooms where the shooter killed 19 children and two teachers last month.
nypost.com
Hmmm...
Acer-m14
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Uvalde police never tried to open doors to classrooms where shooter was, officer passed up shooting gunman before he entered school: Reports | Blaze Media
Uvalde police could have shot shooter, they didn't open doors to classroom
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Uvalde Police Were in School Hallway with Rifles and Ballistic Shield Within Ten Minutes: Report
A report by the Austin American-Statesman shows Uvalde police were in the hallway of Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield within ten minutes of the start of the mass shooting by Salvador Ramos that killed 19 children and two teachers on May 24 in the small Texas town. Ramos was reportedly killed in a gun battle with police after an hour-plus wait by police to storm the classroom he was holed up in.
The story was broken Monday afternoon by reporter Tony Plohetski, “BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2…Investigators believe this is significant because it indicates they had more than enough firepower and protection to enter the classroom before they did. Officers were growing impatient far sooner: “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there,” one said on body camera video.”
Uvalde Police Were in School Hallway with Rifles and Ballistic Shield Within Ten Minutes: Report | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor
A report by the Austin American-Statesman shows Uvalde police were in the hallway of Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield within ten minutes of the start of the mass shooting by Salvador Ramos that killed 19 children and two teachers on May 24 in the small Texas town.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Dr. Evil
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So, who gave the stand down order and why?Uvalde Police Were in School Hallway with Rifles and Ballistic Shield Within Ten Minutes: Report
A report by the Austin American-Statesman shows Uvalde police were in the hallway of Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield within ten minutes of the start of the mass shooting by Salvador Ramos that killed 19 children and two teachers on May 24 in the small Texas town. Ramos was reportedly killed in a gun battle with police after an hour-plus wait by police to storm the classroom he was holed up in.
The story was broken Monday afternoon by reporter Tony Plohetski, “BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2…Investigators believe this is significant because it indicates they had more than enough firepower and protection to enter the classroom before they did. Officers were growing impatient far sooner: “If there’s kids in there we need to go in there,” one said on body camera video.”
Uvalde Police Were in School Hallway with Rifles and Ballistic Shield Within Ten Minutes: Report | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor
A report by the Austin American-Statesman shows Uvalde police were in the hallway of Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield within ten minutes of the start of the mass shooting by Salvador Ramos that killed 19 children and two teachers on May 24 in the small Texas town.