Sig Trash
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Cheap shot.
What little we know at this point that looks like an ammo issue, not a gun issue.
What little we know at this point that looks like an ammo issue, not a gun issue.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He had firing pin drag. I did say I didn't know if it was the gun or the ammo. How is that a cheap shot? Relax.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Every knee jerk reaction has an equal and opposite knee jerk reaction. Wasn't trying to be a dick (and fwiw I agree with you that the Sig plastic is crap).
Jaywmustang
.308 Win
Pics?
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
BR3ND0
9mm
Not a fan of the people on YouTube (especially MAC) bashing this new P365. It will def be my next purchase. Hear way to many good things about on Sigtalk.com and people that do own it here in hudson valley.
Its hard to fault Sig on any mishaps in my opinion. Glock has had 34 years to perfect its striker action since inception. Still hasnt changed. Sig Sauer built a whole pistol around a magazine. Now put it out to the public. I expect a few hiccups till its perfected. And sig always has running changes due to customer input. It took glock since 1995 (gen 3 ) to finally ditch finger groves and listen to customers.
But im not a hater. I own several pistols from various makers but I for one cant wait till i get the X ray sight P365. I will be posting a few of my handguns here to help re coup the funds !
Its hard to fault Sig on any mishaps in my opinion. Glock has had 34 years to perfect its striker action since inception. Still hasnt changed. Sig Sauer built a whole pistol around a magazine. Now put it out to the public. I expect a few hiccups till its perfected. And sig always has running changes due to customer input. It took glock since 1995 (gen 3 ) to finally ditch finger groves and listen to customers.
But im not a hater. I own several pistols from various makers but I for one cant wait till i get the X ray sight P365. I will be posting a few of my handguns here to help re coup the funds !
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Mac gave it a fair review. I guess you didn't watch the whole video.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
For a concealed carry pistol, you want near-perfect dependability. Every gun has 'lemons' and hiccups, especially for first-gen pistols. Like @Willjr75 said, Tim/MAC gave it a fair review, and even admitted he'd been carrying it for weeks because he thought he had put enough rounds through it to prove dependability.
I was extremely interested in the P365 myself, and if I wasn't so invested in the M&P Shield (Gen 1, night sights, Apex trigger internals, several different holsters, ~10 magazines) I probably would have gotten one, because since we're limited to 10 rounds in this effin state, might as well carry 10.
Luckily I spent my annual firearm allowance already this year (M&P 2.0 Compact and the Ruger PC9 Carbine), so I didn't have the money for the P365 yet..
I'm sure SIG will make it right, but between the 320 drop test issues and this, it really spoils people's moods. (The 320 is another one I wanted, with the Rx Red-Dot Sight, but after handling one I decided to wait.)
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Agreed.
I'll beta test software.
Hardware, not so much.
I'll beta test software.
Hardware, not so much.
The one I did a little range report on is over 1200 rounds and no issue yet. I believe the owner did buy a tool steal firing pin not sure if in yet. Anyone who is looking for the ultra reliable carry gun should stay away from new models. IMO after about a 1.5 years enough data is available to make a good decision. If there are any issues at that point the manufacture likely has them worked out. The problem with this pistol is that there is nothing that compares to it so hard to wait. I will stick with my G26 it has over 20 year track record, likely no surprises. It does comes at the expense of size and weight tho.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
The problem I have with these types of issues with ANY manufacturer is knowing if you have a pistol that has been fixed. How many guns can sit in someones inventory that were originals long after the kinks have been ironed out? Until there is an actual model update (2.0) who knows if you have one that was made in the "bad batch" or was made in the "fixed batch". Then you have to go scouring the interwebz researching how to tell if you have the "fixed version". And that's if there is even a way to tell. I wish gun companies would just do more extensive testing before putting stuff out instead of having the latest and coolest things out on the market. I personally feel manufacturers should be making certain parts of guns out of better quality materials like Ti even if the cost goes up some. The p320 and now this. Sig is really making a bad name for themselves.
Wait so you dont like people telling it how it is?
Sorry but MAC is one of the few unbiased "reviewers" out there.
Oh and to say that glock had x number of years to perfect something but sig is doing it from the ground up us just dumb sounding.
That's like saying colt had X number of years to 0erfect the tilting lock barrel, but Sig built a 1911 around a railed dust cover. Doesnt change the mechanics
The downside to their optic ready models is you are only limited to their Romeo 1, which is also not in my opinion up to the task of serious use
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
I don't mind being a beta tester of either (I was a beta tester for PC games back in the day), but you need to 1) TELL ME it is a beta, and 2) GIVE IT TO ME FOR FREE if I'm beta testing.
I would happily accept any free firearm for "beta testing"; heck I'll even supply the ammo (well, depending on caliber.. don't send me a .50 cal Desert Eagle and expect a 1,000 round test in a week)..
C3D
.338 Win Mag
If Woody had gone straight to a Glock all this could have been avoided.
Didn't Glock have a serious issues with faulty triggers and other components that caused a rash of genuine unintentional discharges? Issues and defects that were only partly corrected even into its second iteration?
Didn't the vaunted Colt 1911 have a protracted iterative cycle conceivably begining with the Colt Model 1908? Mr. Stoner's AR series certainly had growing pains. All Manufacturers have issues with new models. SIG's problem is that they too often allow marketing concerns drive design decisions while overlooking basic things. Nonetheless the P365 is a promising pistol, when SIG exits its denial and fixes the problems I am still interested in acquiring one.
Didn't the vaunted Colt 1911 have a protracted iterative cycle conceivably begining with the Colt Model 1908? Mr. Stoner's AR series certainly had growing pains. All Manufacturers have issues with new models. SIG's problem is that they too often allow marketing concerns drive design decisions while overlooking basic things. Nonetheless the P365 is a promising pistol, when SIG exits its denial and fixes the problems I am still interested in acquiring one.
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Yes
Yes
Yes
Agreed
Sure did
Fair enough (I guess)
Agreed
Different strokes for different folks. SIG to me is metal, hammer fired guns. Ymmv and I'm cool with that.
Yes
Yes
Agreed
Sure did
Fair enough (I guess)
Agreed
Different strokes for different folks. SIG to me is metal, hammer fired guns. Ymmv and I'm cool with that.
Its extracting the cartridge case too soon in the cycle. Dwell time is probably too short. Perhaps a stronger recoil spring could solve the issue, and using a stronger material reinforce the tip of the firing pin would serve as an expedient bandaid to the problem, though would be a lame solution. I suspect that SIGs marketing zeal once again comprised the design by pressuring the designers to make the pistol smaller than it really had to be. It didn't need to be smaller than guns like the G43 or Shield and maybe if it were just a little larger that could have allowed a slightly longer strike for the slide, a litte extra engagement play for the locking surfaces?
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Certainly. SIGs stubborn and arrogant attitude only severs to delay progress on a solution while creating ill will at the same time. SIG needs to accept the fact that it has long since riden the reputation of the P210 and early German built P220/226s into the ground. SIG has good design ideas but as a company it needs to rediscover the nuerotic obession with QC of its roots.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Sometimes too small is too small for the cartridge it's built around. The Diamonback DB9 suffers from the same issues.
If you look at the Glock 43, Kahr PM9, XDS 9mm, and M&P Shield, they all have beefier slides and have no issues.
Sig could have just went small on the magwell and kept everything else normal sized like the other subcompacts.
If you look at the Glock 43, Kahr PM9, XDS 9mm, and M&P Shield, they all have beefier slides and have no issues.
Sig could have just went small on the magwell and kept everything else normal sized like the other subcompacts.
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This
More sig p365 awesomeness er wait a min.
Let me guess Sig, user error?
Prudii
.357 mag
With production of any product no amount of in house testing ever catches all the problems. These days it just seems like there are alot of guns with problems coming out of Sigs New Hampshire plant
The problem, as stated before, is Sig's attitude.
"Your fault mate" doesn't cut it.
Companies should make their products, for the most part, idiot proof. To an extent. I mean there are always super idiots, but even when it IS user error, it should be a GROSS error on the part of the user.
^this
Hell the CZ P10c had a couple of issues right out of the gate, what did CZ do, instantly tell people we are working on a fix to send you and new production will ship fixed...
Sig ...." no our stuff is perfect, the broken striker must be user error, guns going off when dropped nope that's not real (well other than the lawsuits and videos of it happening so those must be user error) pretty much our stuff is perfect so just be happy we let you lesser people buy our products"
why would you dismiss bad reviews and accept good reviews?
MAC is a Great and impartial reviewer.
New Guns OFTEN have issues, i believe they have already made changes!
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Whenever I shop around for something, anything, I don't even bother with the good reviews. Those are usually full of people that haven't even used the item and give good reviews based on looks. Then there are the ones that use it once and have nothing to compare it to. The first thing I do is look to see what the good to bad review ratio is. If there are more bad than good that is a red flag. And usually the problem(s) with the item will repeat. Then I know what to look out for. I decide if it's an issue I can live with/work with. But you gotta be careful with bad reviews too. There are some people that have absolutely no ingenuity in fixing minor problems, some that have unreal expectations and some outright stupid people. I remember seeing a bad review once from a moron of a woman that claimed a small paper shredder filled up too fast. The solution there is very simple. Get a bigger shredder. I guess she felt the shredder should be able to defy the laws of physics.