Southwest Pilot busted with loaded gun at Albany Airport
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Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Ummmm...Im not sure how to respond
C3D
.338 Win Mag
How do you protect a plane from its own pilot?
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So an air Marshall can carry but the pilot, who, btw can take out every one on the plane, can't carry to protect himself, the crew and passengers. Interesting distorted logic. I mean let's be real here, wth can the pilot do with a gun that's worse than pushing the yoke forward and leaving it forward?
I thought pilots could carry on the plane. Maybe he wasn't pary of the program. Federal Flight Deck Officer - Wikipedia
Acer-m14
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I thought so too that pilots could carry now , guess not on SW
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Dollars to donuts that this is a NY thing. His pistol is legal everywhere else and he's probably walked right on through security without screening but not so in NY.
Here they screen everyone and since NY doesn't issue non resident permits to average Joe's, he got bagged.
Just a guess.
Here they screen everyone and since NY doesn't issue non resident permits to average Joe's, he got bagged.
Just a guess.
masterswimmer
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That's one bona fide guess right there. I'll 2nd that vote.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Another check in the column for why NY sucks. I bet the pilots on the hijacked planes during 9/11 wished they had guns on them.
His occupation should not have anything to do with this story. He was just a passenger that day. He was not working. Guns are not allowed in secure parts of the airport. Guns are not allowed in carry on luggage, been that way for more than 25 years. This is not a NY thing, it is a thing in all states.
BerettaGuy
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Even if they could. How could a non NY Resident? Hmmmmmmm. Don't forget the Sullivan Law.
Phazer
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... and was just planning to protect himself from contracted security officials.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If I stupidly and mistakingly did that at Albany airport, since I have a carry license, I wouldn't be subject to Criminal Possession. They would probably just confiscate it, call the police, and contact the judge once discovered.
If he is not a NY resident and is just an average person, chances are he had no carry license.
That is why I said it was a NY thing.
You cannot get charged with Penal Law 265 (Criminal Possession of a Firearm) if you are exempted from it via a carry license issued from Penal Law 400.
There are no state or federal laws on the books about secure areas in airports like schools or federal government buildings in regards to firearms unless I'm mistaken.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Security Theater at it's finest, way to go DHS.
Sorry, I was only referring to the sterile areas of the airport. He was trying to enter one of those areas. I just hate when these news stories talk about the persons occupation. Means nothing in regards to the "crime".
BerettaGuy
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So, Last Saturday, I am flying Southwest from Tampa to Buffalo. I plop up by First Bag to declare a firearm and it is overweight. 57lbs. So as I open the thing to not only show my locked gun case, I remove a computer bag that the locked gun case was in, deciding to just carry on the laptop bag.
As I complete filling out the form the lady now asks to see the locked case to affix the declaration. I open the suitcase and Boom! my locked case is not there. WTF I think, then I remembered it is in my laptop bag which is now slung over my shoulder as carry on. Well I said to myself. That is how people get jammed up.
As I complete filling out the form the lady now asks to see the locked case to affix the declaration. I open the suitcase and Boom! my locked case is not there. WTF I think, then I remembered it is in my laptop bag which is now slung over my shoulder as carry on. Well I said to myself. That is how people get jammed up.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well I meant the sterile areas too. What would happen if me as a full Carry licensee had a Glock in my carry on by accident and it was discovered and confiscated by the TSA and the police were called?
What would they charge me with under the NY Penal Laws?
I believe that would fall under Federal law.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I've searched and searched and have come up empty. The only thing I can find is school zones and federal government buildings.
I'll post when I get home. Not sure if what I am thinking about fits. If not, will not be the first time I was wrong here.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I found it. You are correct.
49 U.S. Code § 46505 - Carrying a weapon or explosive on an aircraft
(a)Definition.—
In this section, “loaded firearm” means a starter gun or a weapon designed or converted to expel a projectile through an explosive, that has a cartridge, a detonator, or powder in the chamber, magazine, cylinder, or clip.
(b)General Criminal Penalty.—An individual shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both, if the individual—
(1)
when on, or attempting to get on, an aircraft in, or intended for operation in, air transportation or intrastate air transportation, has on or about the individual or the property of the individual a concealed dangerous weapon that is or would be accessible to the individual in flight;
(2)
has placed, attempted to place, or attempted to have placed a loaded firearm on that aircraft in property not accessible to passengers in flight; or
(3)
has on or about the individual, or has placed, attempted to place, or attempted to have placed on that aircraft, an explosive or incendiary device.
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I have to admit, I knew I was correct. I didn't know how to copy and paste from my phone.
One of these days though Will, you will find me wrong about something, about what? I have no idea!
Marine Cpl
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Lol!I have to admit, I knew I was correct. I didn't know how to copy and paste from my phone.
One of these days though Will, you will find me wrong about something, about what? I have no idea!
Open carry! 
A pilot can kill anyone on the plane or ground that he wants. He doesn't need a gun to do it, just his every day job. (see crazy germanwings guy, or malaysia)
Common sense (not liberal paranoia) should tell anyone he has it because he takes his responsibility seriously and wants to protect his crew and passengers.
But since it happened in NY, did he have 10 bullets or less?
Common sense (not liberal paranoia) should tell anyone he has it because he takes his responsibility seriously and wants to protect his crew and passengers.
But since it happened in NY, did he have 10 bullets or less?