Our "national interest" is to rule the world. Good luck making the world comply.
Taiwanese Foreign Minister warns his country is preparing for war with China, asks Australia for help
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Our "national interest" is to rule the world. Good luck making the world comply.
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there is no help from Australia .. there to busy beating up there citizens over Covid ..
spat
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We kind of do.
It's our interest to keep it that way.
All the people who complain about the US influence are living in total denial about the alternative.
It's like the people who complain about the flaws of capitalism and think communism will solve them all.
Or people who complain about poverty in the US, and ignore the fact that the poor in the US would be rich in most of the rest of the world.
spat
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Because we have globalist shitweasels in the uppermost reaches of our government who are actively working against the interests of their constituents.
A large part of our "kool-aid" was using our navy to guarantee freedom of navigation across all major sea lanes. For 75 years ships from all nations have been able to cross the oceans without need of a naval escort. As we withdraw from the world we are going to take our navy and it's protection of the sea lanes. Any nation whose economic well being is dependent on trade (cough, china, cough) is going to realize all their ships are now vulnerable. Guess which nation has practically no ability to safeguard their ships beyond 1,000 miles from the home country?
Our propaganda was based on lies, exaggerations and mud slinging. Similar to our internal politics. It stopped working, because it is effectively discredited by documented facts. Internet changed everything.
In the last 75 years there were 4 blockades staged by the U.S. Navy. The world is getting tired of our shit. The latest attempt in the Black Sea had an embarrassing ending.
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Celt
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Better our rule than the Chinese. There will always be a big kid on the Block, and I'd rather be the big kid then have to live by the other big kids rules.
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Because the multi-billionaires that are pulling the strings behind all of these radical leftists believe it is in their financial interest to have one world government. That will only increase their power, money, and influence.
I am searching for an example of Chinese invasion in our hemisphere. They did have a border dispute with Russia (now resolved), reacted to our invasion of N. Korea, other minor disputes on their boarder, but that's about it. Modest record compared to most European countries that flaunt their values and us. The problem with arrogance demonstrated by your mentality, sooner or later the world gangs up against the bully. Historically it never ended well.
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So Karl Marx was right about that after all. Though his economic plan was a total failure, he did have point here and there.
The Mongolians and vietnamese would take issue with your use of the phrase 'modest record.'
That falls within minor disputes on their border.
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spat
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So, because of the Pax Americana, they have been prevented from being so adventurous.
It is not a lack of will on their part.
That's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer hasn't eaten anyone in decades so he's reformed, when it's decades he spent in prison.
There is much to criticize about American foreign policy, but make no mistake, the world is a vastly better place than it would be without us.
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And while I am glad we have been the big kid on the block I do not see us as a bully. Sure we have done some crappy things, but we have done countless great things and do more for 3rd world countries than any other nation.
As I've said many times I am not in anyway an expert on foreign policy. But things do break down pretty simply, and that if we were not leading the world with our freedom minded way of life, the power vacuum would likely leave China and their communist, tyrannical authoritarian way of life as the leading nation.
To your point about the rest of the world ganging up on the bully, it seems to me that if you believe that to be the case, then the rest of the world has been brainwashed and is satisfied with being a subject and not a citizen. Thanks, Ill pass.
We're not just talking about an Invasion with Armed Forces, although Im sure India would disagree. Its likely easier to "take over" economically.
And while I am glad we have been the big kid on the block I do not see us as a bully. Sure we have done some crappy things, but we have done countless great things and do more for 3rd world countries than any other nation.
As I've said many times I am not in anyway an expert on foreign policy. But things do break down pretty simply, and that if we were not leading the world with our freedom minded way of life, the power vacuum would likely leave China and their communist, tyrannical authoritarian way of life as the leading nation.
To your point about the rest of the world ganging up on the bully, it seems to me that if you believe that to be the case, then the rest of the world has been brainwashed and is satisfied with being a subject and not a citizen. Thanks, Ill pass.
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Celt
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A multi-billionaire would clearly benefit from a single economic system that covered the globe. And there is no doubt it would only put them in a stronger position to make even more money and have more power, especially in a system that was more oppressive with less freedom. I dont know much about Marx or what he said about one world govt, but a classless society cannot exist as human nature wont allow for it. Utopias cannot exist.
In a word, NO.
Enjoy your values, but let the rest of the world have their own. The world isn't ready to embrace break down of morals, predatory corporate practices, third rate education and political system that divides people into two camps and pits them against each other.
Forcing your values on people who don't want to have anything to do with them is bullying.
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spat
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What do you think a world without the US would look like ?
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If I was Taiwan and about to lose, I’d destroy every chip factory rather than give them to China.
More Indians would live on their native land and so would more Africans.
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Good luck with that 
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Bingo!
When I took a course in international relations in college, the takeaway message seemed to be "Might makes right." Strength, by a country that desires peace, promotes peace. Weakness by a country that desires peace results in strength exerted by opposing nations that want peace on their hostile terms.
Our current administration is squandering all deterrence that the U.S. military has maintained since the end of World War II.
Hostility between major military powers will be the fault of the blundering, feckless, politicians and their military puppets who foster internal strife and discord while showing weakness to our enemies.
Humans are inherently violent. Show an enemy that you are weak, and they will eat you. Prove to an enemy that you are strong, and they will leave you alone. They may never like you or agree with you, but they will respect you out of fear for their own safety.
Are we soon going to see the end of M.A.D., too?
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Celt
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I hear all your points and I agree at large that we should let countries have their own way of life. Problem is, many of the coutries we are helping is because THEY ASK FOR IT. They want our money and our alliance.
The sad reality is that if we deny these countries they will look to other major countries for help and they will be allies with our enemies. Its like the game of Risk. All major powers of the world do the same thing to an extent.
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spat
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I highly doubt that.
So, you think all the colonial powers would have just let them be if it weren't for the US ?
Pretty sure the spanish, french, british, hell, even the belgians would have done all the same stuff.
No US also means the soviets would have won the cold war by default. Assuming the defeated the germans anyway.
It's likely the groups you mention would be speaking German and Japanese now. Well, the ones were weren't exterminated anyway.
One good thing, drug testing and medical experiments on animals would probably be a lot less frequent. They would just use the "lesser races" for that instead.
I bet slavery would be rampant and industrialized now.
I don't follow the logic. The countries we invaded to impose our values were looking for someone to invade them?
Hitlers rise to power was supported by American industrialists and bankers. This is well documented. Start with that.
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