The FBI Agent Who Can’t Stop Thinking About Waco

[Catskillkid]

The FBI Agent Who Can’t Stop Thinking About Waco - Texas Monthly - Pocket

I remember this happening when I was a little kid and not really understanding what was going on. While David Koresh was a madman and most likely a child molester it can't detract from the fact that our government burned alive 82 of its own citizens.

Let this be a warning to anyone who thinks that the government will always protect its citizens.

 

[@thewheels]

Even if they set the fire themselves, that end wasn't unavoidable.

 

[dsdmmat]

I was a SSG in the Army at the time. Me and a few of my peers war gamed it to see how we could have defeated the government’s illegal raid on the compound.

The government murdered those people because they were on the fringes of society. Waco was a test case to see what they could get away with.

Like ruby ridge, the Bundy ranch and the Park in Oregon, the government tests the waters to see how far they can go without the people rising crushing it.

 

[spat]

The FBI Agent Who Can’t Stop Thinking About Waco - Texas Monthly - Pocket

I remember this happening when I was a little kid and not really understanding what was going on. While David Koresh was a madman and most likely a child molester it can't detract from the fact that our government burned alive 82 of its own citizens.

Let this be a warning to anyone who thinks that the government will always protect its citizens.

I'm not convinced Koresh was anything but a target.

We know the davidians were targeted because the ATF wanted a big win before the budget hearings.

Then everything went south for them, and all they really had on them was some back taxes (All NFA is is taxes right).

It would have been very embarrassing for them to have killed all those people over a few thousand dollars of taxes and a serious case of "respect my authoriteee".

So, no, I don't trust any of the unproven accusations against people who aren't around to defend themselves.

 

[Robin]

A travesty, and no one brought to justice.
Robin

 

[GOYABEAN]

God forbid they tried arresting him while he was out buying supplies or something lesson learned for future generations don't fear the government has your best interest in mind

 

[dsdmmat]

Not to mention the illegal use of military forces on US soil.

 

[holdover]

 

[Acer-m14]

i remember this going down .. always wondered why not just wait them out .. turn off the elect and water if they could and sit back .. why be in such a hurry .. your getting paid just sitting there waiting ..

ahh post #3

 

[Mosinitis]

This was the first eye opening documentary about Waco.

 

[dsdmmat]

i remember this going down .. always wondered why not just wait them out .. turn off the elect and water if they could and sit back .. why be in such a hurry .. your getting paid just sitting there waiting ..

ahh post #3

They were getting embarrassed on national TV by a “bunch of cult crazies” that is why the Whitehouse had them go in. Also the longer it went on the more likely the truth would have come out.

 

[Mosinitis]

What I find very annoying is how incidents like Waco and Bundy stand off are milked for political benefit and quickly swept under the rug when republican is elected. As if everything in this world is about R's v. D's pissing match. No one ever gets punished, just lots of hot air by grandstanding politicians and pundits.

 

[dsdmmat]

Funny thing is, after Waco the FBI were going after the Freemen (real criminals) in Montana but, they were met by the Michigan Militia at the property line and were out numbered and out gunned. They had to negotiate every move they made against the Freemen with the MM.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

i remember this going down .. always wondered why not just wait them out .. turn off the elect and water if they could and sit back .. why be in such a hurry .. your getting paid just sitting there waiting ..

ahh post #3

Koresch routinely went on errands into town. All that was needed were a few undercover agents to pick him up on one of these trips without incident.

Think how easy and routine that would have ended up. Never would have been any sort of incident or massacre.

But no, tanks and grenades on civilians....

 

[holdover]

The FBI is dirty. It kills me to make that statement.

 

[dsdmmat]

The FBI, ATF, DEA and all other federal alphabet law enforcement agencies should be disbanded and reorganized as investigative departments under the US Marshals office. Take their guns and arrest powers away and let them be the analyst they should have been all along the way.

 

[GOPerfect]

I was stationed in Kansas at the time. My mindset and outlooks on life were much different back then. At the time of the incident, I did not care one way or another. My awaking began towards the end of 92, Waco occurred and my eyes began to open wider.

 

[Mosinitis]

Ruby Ridge was also a big influence on my opinion about government abuse. Weaver was basically set up by the government informant to cut the shotgun barrel to less then 18" and they also gave him the wrong date to make a court appearance, so they could get a warrant. While the media painted him as a dangerous, armed white supremacist, the government killed his dog, his son and his wife for no reason. He wasn't even white supremacist, he was white separatist and basically believed in the same thing as Malcolm X. This happened during Bush 41. Subsequently he was acquitted of all charges and won wrongful death lawsuit.

 

[Bustedknees]

Waco took place at the beginning of the personal computer and internet world. Back before the days of online guns and ammo sales you searched out mail order companies from the back pages of gun magazines.. Like Koresh most in the south were heavily religious and loved their guns too. Somewhere I may still have flyers from Classic Arms and Matts SKS, gun parts, ammo, and God quotes & prayers shipped to your door. At the same time the economy is fucking booming , stock market exploding coming off eight years of Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton had nothing to run on except an anti gun agenda. The FBI / Clinton /Reno team killed them just like they did at Ruby Ridge, oddly enough this is when Democrats were pointing guns at the heads of children to deport them.

 

[pjzwtl]

Ruby Ridge was also a big influence on my opinion about government abuse. Weaver was basically set up by the government informant to cut the shotgun barrel to less then 18" and they also gave him the wrong date to make a court appearance, so they could get a warrant. While the media painted him as a dangerous, armed white supremacist, the government killed his dog, his son and his wife for no reason. He wasn't even white supremacist, he was white separatist and basically believed in the same thing as Malcolm X. This happened during Bush 41. Subsequently he was acquitted of all charges and won wrongful death lawsuit.

And the piece of shit sniper who shot Weavers wife while she held her child got a shiny medal

 

[Airborneguy]

This incident started when they fired upon agents attempting to serve a search warrant on the compound. They killed 4 agents that day.

My opinion won’t be popular but I don’t care: fuck ‘em. I hope they are all rotting in hell. The deaths of the children involved are on them.

 

[dsdmmat]

This incident started when they fired upon agents attempting to serve a search warrant on the compound. They killed 4 agents that day.

My opinion won’t be popular but I don’t care: fuck ‘em. I hope they are all rotting in hell. The deaths of the children involved are on them.

Ehh your opinion is like all the rest, an opinion. Some are of the opinion too bad it was only 4, still just an opinion.

It was a pretty dark chapter in American history, one of many where the government was involved in the killing of many civilians when there was a better way to go about things. The BATF and FBI should have been disbanded right then and there and the AG of the US should have been thrown under the jail.

 

[GOPerfect]

I believe this incident is going to go down in history as an enigma. We will never know all of the truths that led up to the siege, the fires or anything else.

The truth will never be fully known.

 

[dsdmmat]

Lots of questionable decisions made that day. The Davidian's knew the raid was coming and the Agent in charge of the op knew the operation was blown. So why did he throw his people at a heavily armed outpost? They invited the media to watch, he was going to be famous. The guy should have been charged with negligence and dereliction of duty.

 

[Mosinitis]

And the piece of shit sniper who shot Weavers wife while she held her child got a shiny medal

Although FBI claimed she was shot accidentally, FBI's own memos profiled Vicky Weaver as the leader of the family. They knew if she was dead, the family would give up.

 

[dsdmmat]

I believe this incident is going to go down in history as an enigma. We will never know all of the truths that led up to the siege, the fires or anything else.

The truth will never be fully known.

That whole early 90s timeframe pretty much solidified in my mind what I had been taught since I was very young. All governments are evil, a necessary evil but, evil none the less.

 

[Airborneguy]

Great music though!

 

[GOPerfect]

Great music though!

80's music is better

 

[1911guy]

I was appalled at Pres. Clinton's comment: "Let that be a warning to all Americans." Since then I have been a skeptic about our politicians. I was borderline before that.

 

[dsdmmat]

80's music is better

Great music though!

Ehh I prefer the rock bands from the 60s, 70s and early 80s.