They eventually lose consciousness

[freddy]

Again - NOT making an excuse.

Merely observing that all religions have done nasty things - now and before and in the future. Claiming any particular religion is the culprit is a mistake as I see it. The true cause, as demonstrated by history repeatedly, is the human condition. We cause suffering to others because we fear death in the most fundamental way. Death is 'the worm at the core' of man's pretensions to happiness. We do to others what we so desperately wish to avoid ourselves.

 

[Defilade]

What is weird is that their equipment looks like it just came off the Shelves brand new from Walmart. No wear on it at all! Looks at their plastic gloves...lol.

 

[islandman]

Again - NOT making an excuse.

Merely observing that all religions have done nasty things - now and before and in the future. Claiming any particular religion is the culprit is a mistake as I see it. The true cause, as demonstrated by history repeatedly, is the human condition. We cause suffering to others because we fear death in the most fundamental way. Death is 'the worm at the core' of man's pretensions to happiness. We do to others what we so desperately wish to avoid ourselves.

When one tries to state the true history of the world, they will get blowback. History no matter how long ago it was, is very important to know. What we are seeing right now is nothing new, the players have just changed. We all remember the saying, "History repeats itself" by Twain

Here is the true quote from “The Christian Remembrancer” in 1845

"The vision recurs; the eastern sun has a second rise; history repeats her tale unconsciously, and goes off into a mystic rhyme; ages are prototypes of other ages, and the winding course of time brings us round to the same spot again."

 

[GOPerfect]

They like goats

They really do....

 

[islandman]

What is weird is that their equipment looks like it just came off the Shelves brand new from Walmart. No wear on it at all! Looks at their plastic gloves...lol.

Just like this picture

 

[Defilade]

Look hard enough and you will see their bumper stickers too.

 

[Deplorable Me]

What the hell, at least they didn't water board anyone.

 

[Phazer]

What the hell, at least they didn't water board anyone.

They do. But, their version involves a cage, a pool, and total immersion.

 

[Darth]

Again - NOT making an excuse.

Merely observing that all religions have done nasty things - now and before and in the future. Claiming any particular religion is the culprit is a mistake as I see it. The true cause, as demonstrated by history repeatedly, is the human condition. We cause suffering to others because we fear death in the most fundamental way. Death is 'the worm at the core' of man's pretensions to happiness. We do to others what we so desperately wish to avoid ourselves.

It's a lost cause. They will make up excuses all day long.

It's so funny, they have this graphic they post about all the terrible things laid out in the quran, genital mutilation, rape, killing in the name of god etc. not knowing that the joke is the passages were taken from the bible. xD

But now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Kill the goat fuckers!

 

[freddy]

It's a lost cause. They will make up excuses all day long.

It's so funny, they have this graphic they post about all the terrible things laid out in the quran, genital mutilation, rape, killing in the name of god etc. not knowing that the joke is the passages were taken from the bible. xD

But now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Kill the goat fuckers!

Perfect!

I can't stop laughing!

 

[Phazer]

Merely observing that all religions have done nasty things - now and before and in the future.

In the past, yes. But, most religions have undergone a period of enlightenment over the past five centuries. Those that have done so no longer torture non-believers into submission.

Now, in modernity, those who engage in barbarism are called out for it immediately by the civilized world.

There is no place for moral relativism here. These actions by these "people" are evil and wrong. Now, is that a value judgement? Damn straight it is.

Claiming any particular religion is the culprit is a mistake as I see it. The true cause, as demonstrated by history repeatedly, is the human condition.

Sorry. I call BS. When an individual acts and claims their evil actions are due to an organized religion that disavows them, the individual is at fault. When a group of individuals all proclaim that they are acting on a religious basis, and leaders of the professed religion agree, then those individuals...and that religion...are culpable for those actions. At that point, it is incumbent upon the supposedly peaceful majority of that religion's practitioners to disavow the bad actors. On the whole, that has not happened.

We cause suffering to others because we fear death in the most fundamental way. Death is 'the worm at the core' of man's pretensions to happiness. We do to others what we so desperately wish to avoid ourselves.

Seriously? That's just well-worded pedantic sophistry. I may "fear death" (more accurately fear dying, since being dead is easy), but I do not cause suffering to anybody because of that feeling. Similarly, I "wish to avoid" being: Hit by a car, falling off a building, and getting shot. As an expression of that desire, I look both ways before crossing the street, don't stand too close to the edges of roof tops, and never get into situations where I am looking at the wrong end of a gun. I do not, instead: run down pedestrians on sidewalks, push people out of windows, and fire my pistols into crowds. I'm sure nobody here does any of those things. So, the logic of that last statement, although a nice deep thought for a wall poster or bumper sticker, is faulty.

 

[BerettaGuy]

That's a nice M4 that one guy had. Wonder how he got that?

I was wondering the same thing. Obama left millions of dollars in equipment in Iraq - Benghazi was about arming the so called rebels.
Where are all the AK-47's? Now they are driving M1-1 Tanks and carrying M4's. WTF.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Brothers of the sword relax. When the liberals allow these murdering Rapefugees into our country, it's the libtards that are going to get killed first. So that brings hope to my heart. As for the religion of "peace", the world is waking up. You will meet your god and will see that the virgins are goats no women.

Here is the plan:
Even if Trump stops refugees from the middle east. It won't change anything. Europe is bulging at the seam with them.
So you would have seen Hillary and Uma increase the immigration quotas from European Countries and the browning of America continues. But alas the plan has been stopped.

Trump is right to stop all immigration until we figure out what is going on.

What I am saying is, future Syrian Islamo Terrorists will (or would have been ) immigrants from Germany. This way NBC could say the facts are that middle eastern migrants are not committing terror, because the came from Germany and other European Countries.

Do the math 1,000,000 today = how many in 5 years, or 10? It is now the Ottomans and ISIS that openly want world domination just like they did in the year 600.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Obviously nothing even remotely this despicable was ever ever done in the name of Christianity.

YOu sound like you should be working at NBC. The point is it is happening now and ignoring it will just bring it to your doorstep in the future. We also ignored the Germans in the 30's and the Japs in indochina and China. Our news media won't talk about this stuff, they are more concerned about Princes Leah's heart attack. .

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

People need to see ISIS exposed for the evil it is. Absolutely barbaric and disgusting.

Kill them all. They are incompatible with civilization.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Not an excuse. Nearly all religions are used as justification to cause terrible suffering.

Comparing Christianity's mis steps and mistakes CENTURIES ago, to a modern contemporary "religion" that is Absolutely barbaric is a ridiculous straw man argument.

Not much has changed since the Moor invasions.

 

[spat]

I really think you guys have it backward. It's not Muslims being inhuman, it's in humans hiding behind Islam.

Do you really think that the people doing this stuff would have been choir boys if only they were Christian?

Religion is an excuse, not a cause. These are the same people being manipulated in the same way that the Spanish inquisition was hundreds of years ago. The leaders aren't any more religious than ours, but they sure know how to use it to get their followers to do the unspeakable.

The Japanese did this stuff for their God emperor, the Nazis for their Furher. When you have people who will do things they know are wrong, but tell themselves that "it's not their call", that's how this happens.

Make no mistake, if the leadership in our government decided to go this route, they would find people willing to do it. The vast majority of people who know its wrong would tell themselves that they shouldn't get involved, and they would let them go ahead.

Don't believe me ? How many of you would take up arms to stop an execution of a "terrorist" using these methods ?

 

[freddy]

Let's consider the very real possibilty that the US firebombing of Tokyo, among many others Japanese cities, was a terrrorist action. Not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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[Drinkthekoolaid]

Let's consider the very real possibilty that the US firebombing of !Tokyo, among many others Japanese cities, was a terrrorist action. Not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

That was total warfare. We were not the aggressors. Tokyo attacked us first. They refused to surrender. War is ugly.

And yes I'm aware firebombing killed more civilians than the atomic bombs did.

That you are even making that comparison is disturbing.

 

[Phazer]

Let's consider the very real possibilty that the US firebombing of !Tokyo, among many others Japanese cities, was a terrrorist action. Not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Ugh.

Check, please! I'm outta here....

 

[freddy]

That was total warfare. We were not the aggressors. Tokyo attacked us first. They refused to surrender. War is ugly.

And yes I'm aware firebombing killed more civilians than the atomic bombs did.

That you are even making that comparison is disturbing.

Allow me to play devils advocate please. Perhaps we are viewed as the aggressor by some other people in the world. Perhaps in our quest for domination of the world (and especially for control of the most important of all resources - oil) perhaps some people don't like us sticking our ideas, and our armies, on their land. Wasn't that afterall a primary reason for 911?

 

[prambo]

Obviously nothing even remotely this despicable was ever ever done in the name of Christianity.

And that's relevant and exculpatory to the present case how?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Allow me to play devils advocate please. Perhaps we are viewed as the aggressor by some other people in the world. Perhaps in our quest for domination of the world (and especially for control of the most important of all resources - oil) perhaps some people don't like us sticking our ideas, and our armies, on their land. Wasn't that afterall a primary reason for 911?

So in your mind ISISis justified to be barbaric and sadistic?

 

[prambo]

Allow me to play devils advocate please. Perhaps we are viewed as the aggressor by some other people in the world. Perhaps in our quest for domination of the world (and especially for control of the most important of all resources - oil) perhaps some people don't like us sticking our ideas, and our armies, on their land. Wasn't that afterall a primary reason for 911?

Don't want to get into a shit-throwing contest about religion, so I'll state the following and then I'm out of this thread:

1) neither your, nor Darth's, examples are relevant and exculpatory to the present case

2) feeling you have to overemphasize your 1st post with multiple illustrations and verbiage is insulting to the intelligence of the NYGF membership - you will find that this is a very well informed and educated group - simply put, we know this shit about Christianity, probably better than you do.

I'm out.

 

[Gunner57]

 

[spat]

Let's consider the very real possibilty that the US firebombing of Tokyo, among many others Japanese cities, was a terrrorist action. Not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Not even close.

Act of war during a declared war between two sovereign nations. No comparison, sorry.

 

[1911guy]

Do unto others before they do unto you.

 

[holdover]

That is the fakest video Ive seen in a while. Not that I don't think those goat people wouldn't do it. Not at all. But everything you see in that video is staged "everything"!The leader has new 511 gloves at the 12:47 mark The other guard s hat that says Thermo form , the new sling . ISIS has a new black hat, new black Uniform , new boots, new LBE new pouches new Pmags. The Turks also have brand new Uniforms with no insignia or name tags nor sewing spots where they were removed. brand new chains brand new hair cuts and Nobody in that video has been living under field conditions , everybody is clean enough for inspections even the POWs Nobody panics at the sight of the fire , nobody douses them with gas before the fire as if that's enough to light them up , you can see their uniforms are bone dry ,then the fire rages , as if the uniform wouldn't burn up in seconds , the number of cuts in the videos from different angles . then the ISIS leader who has an ACOG and something mounted on the bottom of his M4 with no sling in the beginning of the video no longer has it mounted at the end of the video , which means that at some point during the execution and filming he would have had to have taken his weapon off laid it down next to somebody else's weapon then picked up the wrong weapon to continue filming. or decide to take that thing he has mounted off during the execution, and put a sling on either way he had to remove his weapon during the filming of this. the neck collars has the spikes on the wrong side like a bulldogs collar, the spikes are meant to go on the inside of the collar to control a person with the slightest tug This a propaganda video .

Im not defending those guys , but Im not buying what their selling.

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