Troops Sent to Help Evacuate US Embassy in Afghanistan; Joe Biden's Words Come Back to Haunt Him

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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Even still we could have had a much more orderly withdrawal.

We could have ordered all US citizens out weeks and months ago while the country was still somewhat stable and we had assets to facilitate and ensure a smooth and orderly exit.

Same goes for the Afghanis we were going to save.

It's completely inexcusable the shit show that was created by following a joke of plan to orderly leave. It's just so outrageous.
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Trump probably *could* have gotten us out by May 1st and still not had this shit show.


It's not the timeline that matters. I'm convinced Biden could have waited till 2023 and it still would have turned into a disaster.
 
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Intelligence Warned of Afghan Military Collapse, Despite Biden's Assurances

WASHINGTON — Classified assessments by American spy agencies over the summer painted an increasingly grim picture of the prospect of a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and warned of the rapid collapse of the Afghan military, even as President Joe Biden and his advisers said publicly that was...
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When americans are left behind because they couldn't get to the airports fast enough I hope people remember this.


When people visualize refugees dropping to their deaths because they thought holding onto the exterior of a cargo jet was a better idea than living under the Taliban, I hope they remember this.
 
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So, the 60k taliban living in caves were more prepared than the 300k Afghan soldiers ?

Bullshit.

Sure, the Afghan soldiers had it worse than the American soldiers. But they had it far better than their Taliban opponents.


The difference is that the Taliban were not hamstrung by PC bullshit.

If you wanted to win, the the people needed to be terrified of being caught supporting the Taliban. Not terrified of being caught *not* supporting them.

That is the difference. The only difference that matters.
 
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spat said:
Trump probably *could* have gotten us out by May 1st and still not had this shit show.


It's not the timeline that matters. I'm convinced Biden could have waited till 2023 and it still would have turned into a disaster.
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I'm convinced it would have been a disaster no matter who did it. What we could have done a LOT better was getting out diplomats and civis before the military. The country itself? The only think keeping the Taliban from not taking control of the country was the American military presence.
 
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I'm convinced it would have been a disaster no matter who did it. What we could have done a LOT better was getting out diplomats and civis before the military. The country itself? The only think keeping the Taliban from not taking control of the country was the American military presence.
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You're correct.

My point was that Trump would have had all the support personnel out earlier, and the last to leave would have been military flown out from Baghram.

The Taliban would also have been on notice than any attempt to hinder the process would have been met with wrath and fury. They would have believed that from Trump, but they know the only thing they need to worry about from Biden is a strongly worded address read a week later from a teleprompter.
 
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So, the 60k taliban living in caves were more prepared than the 300k Afghan soldiers ?

Bullshit.

Sure, the Afghan soldiers had it worse than the American soldiers. But they had it far better than their Taliban opponents.


The difference is that the Taliban were not hamstrung by PC bullshit.

If you wanted to win, the the people needed to be terrified of being caught supporting the Taliban. Not terrified of being caught *not* supporting them.

That is the difference. The only difference that matters.
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regardless, we supported the taliban for how many years? Provided them training, weapons, and money.
 
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SonOfSun said:
I'm convinced it would have been a disaster no matter who did it. What we could have done a LOT better was getting out diplomats and civis before the military. The country itself? The only think keeping the Taliban from not taking control of the country was the American military presence.
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Pentagon Press Secretary, 5,000 to 10,000 Americans Trapped in Afghanistan Cannot Reach Kabul Airport


The number of Americans trapped in Afghanistan is actually unknown. According to Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby, somewhere around 5,000 to 10,000 are known, but the number could be 20,000. Those U.S. citizens are not at the airport in Kabul, and need to reach the airport in order to be evacuated.


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Pentagon Press Secretary, 5,000 to 10,000 Americans Trapped in Afghanistan Cannot Reach Kabul Airport - The Last Refuge

The number of Americans trapped in Afghanistan is actually unknown. According to Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby, somewhere around 5,000 to 10,000 are known, but the number could be 20,000. Those U.S. citizens are not at the airport in Kabul, and need to reach the airport in order to be...
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Biden yet to speak with world leaders after fall of Kabul


President Biden has yet to speak with his foreign counterparts since the Taliban took the Afghanistan capital of Kabul, national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Tuesday, as the White House faces questions from some allies about the repercussions of its withdrawal from the country.


White House press secretary Jen Psaki was asked later in the same briefing about Biden's lack of contact with world leaders and suggested the administration's focus was elsewhere for the time being.

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Biden yet to speak with world leaders after fall of Kabul

President Biden has yet to speak with his foreign counterparts since the Taliban took the Afghanistan capital of Kabul, national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Tuesday, as the White House face…
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Number of Americans Trapped in Afghanistan May Be Even Worse Than the Biden Team Is Telling Us

As we reported earlier, the Biden team is saying that there may be up to 10,000 Americans who still need to be rescued from Afghanistan. I wrote previously about how they were begging people like Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) for help because our government wasn’t responding and had just told them to shelter in place and fill out a form.



But it may be even worse than that, according to Bush Assistant Secretary of State Robert Charles. According to Charles, he said there was a tally and it was between 15,000 and 40,000 people still waiting to be told when they’ll be saved.


‘There’s a document in the embassy called the F-77. I am told the F-77 of Afghanistan indicates there are 15,000 potentially, upwards of 40,000 Americans scattered around Afghanistan right now.


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Number of Americans Trapped in Afghanistan May Be Even Worse Than the Biden Team Is Telling Us

As we reported earlier, the Biden team is saying that there may be up to 10,000 Americans who still
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So the taliban have surrounded the airport. There are still 5,000-15,000 Americans that need to be evacuated. The taliban state all Americans have to be out by September 11th. The American government has told its citizens it can't guarantee safe travel to the airport. Yes, this shit show can easily get worse. The afghan civilians that worked as interpreters have no chance of getting out and it's not a given all the Americans will get out.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
It's a colossal shitshow and Americans are going to die as a result of political incompetence
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Always have, and always will, as long as ANY member of the Uniparty remains in government.

When this scum "rules" the fUSA, it's for their own benefit, not to provide a stable environment foe the average Joe and Jane to have a "normal" life.

It's been this way for years, and although I'd like to believe the "average" person might realize this and do something about it, I know that's delusional.

This is why EVERY American flag in this house has been respectfully retired to the VFW and my magnetic Vietnam Veteran and USAF car stickers are in the local land fill.

And, NO, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks bout it.
 
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Always have, and always will, as long as ANY member of the Uniparty remains in government.

When this scum "rules" the fUSA, it's for their own benefit, not to provide a stable environment foe the average Joe and Jane to have a "normal" life.

It's been this way for years, and although I'd like to believe the "average" person might realize this and do something about it, I know that's delusional.

This is why EVERY American flag in this house has been respectfully retired to the VFW and my magnetic Vietnam Veteran and USAF car stickers are in the local land fill.

And, NO, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks bout it.
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I know how much you love America so that hurts to hear but based on your posts I Know you've come to your logical conclusion to reach this point. It truly sucks. It shouldn't be this way.

I'm sorry to hear but honestly I get it. It's like loving a wife so much but she keeps cheating on you.

Every day I get closer to going strictly Gadsden flag.

I hope I don't ever get to the point of the Edward teach flag @edwardteach
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I know how much you love America so that hurts to hear but based on your posts I Know you've come to your logical conclusion to reach this point. It truly sucks. It shouldn't be this way.

I'm sorry to hear but honestly I get it. It's like loving a wife so much but she keeps cheating on you.

Every day I get closer to going strictly Gadsden flag.

I hope I don't ever get to the point of the Edward teach flag @edwardteach
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Umm did Edward teach get banned or something? Apparently I tried to tag him and it came back with nothing?
 
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