Trump on mass shootings

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Airborneguy said:
What’s to stop anything at any time? We try though when there is solid information which points to a possible crime being committed. Or any number of things, not related to guns or even crime necessarily.

If someone is about to commit suicide, we don’t ignore it because well, what’s to stop them from doing it again tomorrow?
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That is why we all need to unplug a little bit and get more involved with our fellow man. Civic outreach.

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I don’t think you’d be happy with what constitutes a speedy trial in real life.
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Can you explain what you mean? If you are implying that it's an unpleasant process then so be it. Or are you saying that such constitutes a rush to judgment situation? Impared competency of the court due to abbreviated circumstances?
 
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gun_slinger_boy said:
And to think not too long ago we had it all! We could have gotten so many gun related issues taken care of. We could have gotten silencers out of the NFA! And now we're on the cusp of losing even more.
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That’s the point of these encouraged mass shootings. I actually admire the left. They’ll do anything and everything to accomplish their goals. We on the other hand...
 
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Celt said:
As long as due process takes place prior to any confiscation then the courts can take as long as they want with the speedy trial.
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Well that's basically what I am saying. I'm ok with a firearm removal being approved by a judge after a hearing (notice I wrote that in my last post). A hearing meaning information was presented and discussed and properly weighed against the citizen's rights. Judges just signing off on these things willy-nilly is not what I was talking about.
 
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Podmonkey said:
Can you explain what you mean? If you are implying that it's an unpleasant process then so be it. Or are you saying that such constitutes a rush to judgment situation? Impared competency of the court due to abbreviated circumstances?
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While the trial itself in reality is rarely lengthy, the process of getting to an actual trial is governed by numerous factors. What the unknowing person considers "speedy" is definitely no the reality of what the law considers a reasonable amount of time. It's too much to go into right now but let's just say that at each step in the process, the judge decides whether the prosecution is doing anything wrong in lengthening the amount of time it is taking to move along.
 
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Airborneguy said:
Well that's basically what I am saying. I'm ok with a firearm removal being approved by a judge after a hearing (notice I wrote that in my last post). A hearing meaning information was presented and discussed and properly weighed against the citizen's rights. Judges just signing off on these things willy-nilly is not what I was talking about.
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Where I guess I differ on that. The citizen should get to sit before a judge and face his accuser prior to his Firearms being taken. A group of people sitting in a room deciding whether someone's gun should be taken because some person made a complaint against them is something I have a problem with
 
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Airborneguy said:
While the trial itself in reality is rarely lengthy, the process of getting to an actual trial is governed by numerous factors. What the unknowing person considers "speedy" is definitely no the reality of what the law considers a reasonable amount of time. It's too much to go into right now but let's just say that at each step in the process, the judge decides whether the prosecution is doing anything wrong in lengthening the amount of time it is taking to move along.
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If the litigators want to drag their feet then so be it. Because the guns should not be going anywhere until the ruling has been made. Therefore it is in the court's best interest to move things along expediently.
 
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Willjr75 said:
That’s the point of these encouraged mass shootings. I actually admire the left. They’ll do anything and everything to accomplish their goals. We on the other hand...
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I don't know that I would use the word admire, but I certainly agree with your point. The lefties are relentless and they will do anything to reach their goals. The right are just a bunch of pussies without the will to fight. Trump actually seems like the first person that has any that has any fight in him, let's just hope he doesn't fold under the pressure and give in to gun control
 
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togmaster said:
You're implying that he has a dick. I don't believe that is correct.
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Yeah I know, your'e probably right.

What sucks for me, is the fact that unlike everyone else, I can't call him monkeyface.
That's like the pot calling the kettle black.

I didn't realize that until another member pointed that out.
So I can only call him FUAC.

Or, Andy or Asshole or The Princess or The Fuhrer or Cumhole or Douchebag or Shit for Brains or Dipstick or
Damn, I am off my game this morning, that's all I can come up with at this point.

I probably shouldn't be fucking around in a thread like this... My apologies.
 
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Maybe we should just stop voting. Let's the Dems control everything, I am tired of waiting. Just want to get this over with.
 
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Duke said:
It's a mental health problem.....
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Agreed. But, what is causing it? What is it that is so destabilizing the brains of the populace? It is probably not just one thing, but many. I do know that most people are feeling much more “pressure” these days than they ever did before, and it puts them closer to the edge to begin with. Some can handle the pressure, and some, obviously, can’t.
 
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Willjr75 said:
Most people who serve in the military tend to lean towards freedom and to the right. They also come out respecting themselves and others. They aren’t afraid of guns. Most never collect welfare afterwards. They work. If this country and had a draft, we wouldn’t have that many pansies in our midst.

When I was in Boot Camp, there was a guy that was in there instead of jail time. I can’t remember where he was from but he was one of the most ghetto motherfuckers I ever met. I ran into him oversees. I was a Corporal and he was a Sergeant and had re-enlisted. His ghetto, hood talk was gone.

I’m in favor of mandatory service.
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Most people who serve do so voluntarily due to a feeling of pride, love of country, sense of duty etc etc etc. Im assuming much like yourself (thank you by the way). Those types seem to lean right naturally not because of their service but more so because of their upbringing, moral compass, or genetic make up. Those types will always be found. I feel if you have forced service you will find alot of people just mailing it in for their time. They wont care because it doesn't mean something to them. To those types its just a requirement they need to do, and they'll do minimum until that box is checked
 
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Pres said " We vow to act with urgent effort now..." as well as calling for national red flag laws. He will cave. Nothing good will come from this.
 
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speedkills27 said:
Most people who serve do so voluntarily due to a feeling of pride, love of country, sense of duty etc etc etc. Im assuming much like yourself (thank you by the way). Those types seem to lean right naturally not because of their service but more so because of their upbringing, moral compass, or genetic make up. Those types will always be found. I feel if you have forced service you will find alot of people just mailing it in for their time. They wont care because it doesn't mean something to them. To those types its just a requirement they need to do, and they'll do minimum until that box is checked
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Right. But many times the opposite happens. People that were afraid of guns no longer are. People with closed minds open them to fit in. Ever see a black urban youth get into country music? I have. I have even seen kids who thought they were once racist and never seen a black person in person become really good friends with the black kid.

Look at Vietnam. How many liberal hippies that went in turned out to be good soldiers? Sure some are total shit but they were shit to begin with. Many that were shit changed.
 
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Willjr75 said:
Right. But many times the opposite happens. People that were afraid of guns no longer are. People with closed minds open them to fit in. Ever see a black urban youth get into country music? I have. I have even seen kids who thought they were once racist and never seen a black person in person become really good friends with the black kid.

Look at Vietnam. How many liberal hippies that went in turned out to be good soldiers? Sure some are total shit but they were shit to begin with. Many that were shit changed.
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So you're going to mandate enlistment to change some peoples attitude? Seems like the has a huge potential for blow back. Also the military industrial complex would love a never ending supply of soldiers for our never ending wars
 
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speedkills27 said:
So you're going to mandate enlistment to change some peoples attitude? Seems like the has a huge potential for blow back. Also the military industrial complex would love a never ending supply of soldiers for our never ending wars
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I’m not going to mandate anything. I’m not congress and the president. But if I was, I sure as hell would. Look at other democracies that have mandated service. They are better for it.
 
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