Oh, it's not, just a response to Will.
Trump's "listening session" on guns, not what the grabbers expected
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Oh BTW, I would be happy to see the current war on drugs to end. It's been done wrong for many years. Needs much improvement.
Improvement = elimination.
In a matter of words, yeah. See what is happening in the Philippines in regards to drugs? That's what I'm talking about.
I would like to see all money that we throw away on the junkies to be spent elsewhere. No more Narcan given. No free medical and no rehab clinics paid for by the taxpayers. No drugs to help with detox. No SSI for addicts. No tax funded emergency room visits. Nothing.
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It's working perfectly right?
I couldn't care less about the gangs. They will always exist.
The burden will simply shift. As opposed to combatting drug sales, we’ll be combatting drug user crime to maintain their habit. Unless of course Darth has some idea of how heroin will suddenly become even cheaper than the $5 or so a hit it already is.
And let’s not get into medical costs.
You are reasonable enough to know that we won’t suddenly turn into a society that ignores ALL of these things and just let’s the people figure it out. So unless you truly believe that legal drugs means users will suddenly become normal, working, law-abiding people, explain how society will respond to ease of use and resulting crime and medical needs?
It’s even less likely that we will accept police being judge, jury and executioner for the dealers than ever seeing wide scale legal drugs.
Real shame, I would be awesome at that job
Modern day Judge Dredd!
Marine Cpl
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If you could cut off hands for stealing like they do in Arab countries you wouldn't have to worry about the drug problem in regards to supporting it.
libertysnake
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It’s not our place to say what people might do. This isn’t minority report. If they want to become addicted to drugs, that’s on them.
You can’t judge the actions of a person before they’ve taken them.
You make it seem like the legal drugs will make the world like 28 days later or something.
Well being that I deal in reality and already have plenty of drug-related crimes to deal with (not sales or whatever but actual crimes comitted y users against law-abiding citizens), I know that easier access to drugs will only exacerbate that problem.
I don’t deal in pie-in-the-sky theories. I operate based on actual data, observations, and circumstances which exist in the real world.
I don’t deal in pie-in-the-sky theories. I operate based on actual data, observations, and circumstances which exist in the real world.
In a world where drugs are illegal.
History has shown time and time again that prohibition increases crime, not decreases.
Even here in the US.
And on "medical costs", bad point, as I don't think we should be paying those.
GuyMontag
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I deal in reality as well, and prohibition NEVER works.
I understand your position, but you're far from unbiased when it comes to this particular topic.
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The countries we are always compared to in these articles are far different than the US. There’s too many factors at play to make a valid comparison. No different than when people try to equate Australia’s (or other’s) laws to ours.
Homogeneity of population has been shown to greatly effect crime rates, regardless of classification.
It’s simply a wild guess to compare two countries with near zero similarities.
Homogeneity of population has been shown to greatly effect crime rates, regardless of classification.
It’s simply a wild guess to compare two countries with near zero similarities.
GuyMontag
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Sorry Airborne, you're talking complete smack with that nonsense.
Addicts and addiction operate independently of borders.
Addiction therapies work regardless of national origin or language spoken, this is empirical, not my opinion.
dwa12479
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I'd rather not emulate anything done by savages that are still stuck in the 7th century.
Pretty sure we tried it here in the US with alcohol.
Ok, so show something empirical.
There’s those analogies again.
Instead of defining it, how about stating how it is different?
GuyMontag
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There's plenty of accredited addiction science programs I can refer you to if a career change is on the horizon, but I got a feeling you're not exactly well suited for the job. Do you need a faculty advisor?
libertysnake
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How about this. Let's keep it real simple:
From a personal liberty perspective, it's not the government’s job to tell you what you put in your body. That's not pie int the sky. That's patriotism.
Even if it does increase crime by allowing people to choose what they put into their bodies, you don't strip everyone of the choice to do so.
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spat
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You seem to think that legalizing drugs will make them easier to get ?
Realistically, how much easier can it get than it is now ?
It will just eliminate the organized crime. I don't think it will get much easier tog get drugs. You wont see more (or less) junkies, but the dealers will all be put out of business.
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If drugs and guns were legalized, policing and overtime would go downhill. The prison system would be minimal. Almost all crimes and prison lock ups are drug related. Very few people are actually in prison for murder and rape.
Robberies would be about the only major crime left but those would be minimal if people could defend themselves.
Robberies would be about the only major crime left but those would be minimal if people could defend themselves.
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Neither would I. My comment was directed in response to those who said they'd like to go on murdering sprees on those who sell drugs.