U.S. House of Reps. votes 226-194 to criminalize disassembling, cleaning, and re-assembling your gun without a firearm manufacturer’s license!

[kzin]

Garbage based on an incorrect understanding of what firearm means.
That section of the bill bans unserialized guns. Period.
With a whole lot of extra language to try to preemptively block any attempt to get around it.

A complete AR is a firearm because it includes the serialized receiver.
Separate the two and you have a firearm and an upper.
Re-attach the two and you're adding an upper to your firearm.
You're not illegally assembling a firearm.

He talks about having to serialize multiple parts and totally ignores the part where it doesn't apply to any gun already being legally manufactured , serialized on one part and sold.

 

[Steal2B]

Garbage based on an incorrect understanding of what firearm means.
That section of the bill bans unserialized guns. Period.
With a whole lot of extra language to try to preemptively block any attempt to get around it.

A complete AR is a firearm because it includes the serialized receiver.
Separate the two and you have a firearm and an upper.
Re-attach the two and you're adding an upper to your firearm.
You're not illegally assembling a firearm.

He talks about having to serialize multiple parts and totally ignores the part where it doesn't apply to any gun already being legally manufactured , serialized on one part and sold.

This may be a result of Biden's gun control press conference (and ATF comments) calling for upper receivers as well as semi auto slides to be serialized.

Post in thread 'AFT Enforcing A Rule That Doesn't Exist' AFT Enforcing A Rule That Doesn't Exist

Post in thread 'Ghost Gun Regulations For Today' Ghost Gun Regulations For Today

 

[ArmedCorgi]

This may be a result of Biden's gun control press conference (and ATF comments) calling for upper receivers as well as semi auto slides to be serialized.

Post in thread 'AFT Enforcing A Rule That Doesn't Exist' AFT Enforcing A Rule That Doesn't Exist

Post in thread 'Ghost Gun Regulations For Today' Ghost Gun Regulations For Today

Atf needs to either lose it's discretionary rule making power or be disbanded completely . They are just another government loop hole for making law outside of it's Constitutional powers.

 

[cgrutt]

IDGAF come and take it.

 

[Cooolone]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Acer-m14]

Garbage based on an incorrect understanding of what firearm means.
That section of the bill bans unserialized guns. Period.
With a whole lot of extra language to try to preemptively block any attempt to get around it.

A complete AR is a firearm because it includes the serialized receiver.
Separate the two and you have a firearm and an upper.
Re-attach the two and you're adding an upper to your firearm.
You're not illegally assembling a firearm.

He talks about having to serialize multiple parts and totally ignores the part where it doesn't apply to any gun already being legally manufactured , serialized on one part and sold.

so what do we do about all the old guns we have that had no serial numbers to start with .. ?

 

[Dunedain Ranger]

US house of representatives votes to criminalize taking out your dick and cleaning it, without help from a licensed and verified sex worker. Male or female worker not specified.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[GOPerfect]

The bill is a bad bill, but....

Holy shit, it does not make it unlawful to clean a fucking gun.

 

[spat]

That seems a lot paranoid to view it that way. If the author(s) wanted to say that cleaning and reassembling an existing handgun or rifle was unlawful, it would say that. Yeah, a lot of “gun” legislation is whacked out, but interpreting it the way you’re dang it is just nuckin’ futs. It makes 2A supporters look like loons when people go waaaaaay overboard on this stuff. Just sit back, relax, and wait for the first person to be arrested for cleaning a gun, then my attention will be focused. But this is just silliness at this point.

First time dealing with gun laws written to be maliciously ambiguous ?

 

[Beerman]

First time dealing with gun laws written to be maliciously ambiguous ?

No, but I did read the actual bill. Have a nice day.

 

[Phazer]

Freaking evil assholes in DC, they did it

So, any after-market pistol slide is a "ghost gun" if it isn't serialized because it houses the striker (which is part of the "fire control group"). Similarly, rifle uppers will require serialization because they house the bolt and firing pin.

They're essentially repealing the section of the 1968 Gun Control Act that allows unlicensed individual citizens to build their own legal firearms.

 

[Steal2B]

So, any after-market pistol slide is a "ghost gun" if it isn't serialized because it houses the striker (which is part of the "fire control group"). Similarly, rifle uppers will require serialization because they house the bolt and firing pin.

They're essentially repealing the section of the 1968 Gun Control Act that allows unlicensed individual citizens to build their own legal firearms.

Yup

Looks like this is Biden's early April common sense gun control / ghost gun speech, concerning the serialization and control of uppers and slides through legislation and regulation, coming to fruition.

They said they were going to do it, we shouldn't be suprised or in denial claiming they don't mean what they sleazily put in the bill.

The well funded professional lobbyists who help staff draft legislation are not as dumb / clumsy as we think and are more evil / cunning than we could assume. The swamp is real.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

The well funded professional lobbyists who help staff draft legislation are not as dumb / clumsy as we think and are more evil / cunning than we could assume. The swamp is real.

I started drafting a clever, likely bipartisan, proposition for UBI that could secretly eliminate welfare/SS programs through (reverse) means testing.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Whether it passes or not or is interpreted as not being able to clean your gun or not... I'm sitting here laughing at the fact that there are some out there so cucked that they would actually follow this law. They would go without cleaning their gun to follow the letter of the law lol. They would find creative ways to clean their guns without disassembling them. Inevitably a market would emerge for this. Ultra-sonic cleaner sales would probably skyrocket.

 

[spat]

Whether it passes or not or is interpreted as not being able to clean your gun or not... I'm sitting here laughing at the fact that there are some out there so cucked that they would actually follow this law. They would go without cleaning their gun to follow the letter of the law lol. They would find creative ways to clean their guns without disassembling them. Inevitably a market would emerge for this. Ultra-sonic cleaner sales would probably skyrocket.

A market for bargain basement gunsmiths who have all the licensing, but just do cleanings.

"Got a 4 pointer this morning. Need to dress it out then head to the gunsmith for a good cleaning".

 

[spat]

This may be a result of Biden's gun control press conference (and ATF comments) calling for upper receivers as well as semi auto slides to be serialized.

Post in thread 'AFT Enforcing A Rule That Doesn't Exist' AFT Enforcing A Rule That Doesn't Exist

Post in thread 'Ghost Gun Regulations For Today' Ghost Gun Regulations For Today

If the upper and lower are both firearms and serialized, does that mean separating them constitutes manufacturing a firearm ?

You bought one, but now you've got 2 right ?

So you must have manufactured one.

 

[spat]

I'd like to see the text of this anti-cleaning/assembling bill. I can't find it.

"(1) in paragraph (10), by adding at the end the following: “The term ‘manufacturing firearms’ shall include assembling a functional firearm"


So, remove the bolt to clean, reassemble the gun after, and you have now illegally manufactured a gun.

Unless you are a licensed manufacturer of course.

 

[spat]

Ctrl+F. The words “clean” and “assemble” are not in there.

The word assembling is.

Nobody is saying you can't clean your gun.

Just that you're not allowed to put it back together afterwards.

 

[spat]

Banning finishing of 80%ers is clearly the primary goal.
Then they try to add language general enough to keep us troublemakers from finding a loophole to do wtf we want

That is the pitch this is being sold under.

The desired goal is for nobody to be allowed to have a gun at all except for the government.

The reality for this bill is somewhere in the middle.

 

[spat]

It's a deliberately ridiculous way to interpret the word assemble in the context of the law.
Harassing the writers of the law, I'm fine with.
Misinforming gun owners, not so much.

More ridiculous than calling a shoelace a machine-gun ?

On the list of ridiculous overzealous interpretations of gun laws by the feds, that doesn't even make it into volume 1.

 

[kzin]

So, any after-market pistol slide is a "ghost gun" if it isn't serialized because it houses the striker (which is part of the "fire control group"). Similarly, rifle uppers will require serialization because they house the bolt and firing pin.

They're essentially repealing the section of the 1968 Gun Control Act that allows unlicensed individual citizens to build their own legal firearms.

Does not apply to any gun that has already been declared to have one serialized receiver.
IOW, does not apply to any gun currently on the market.

In the future we and the manufacturers may have decisions to make if a gun would have 2 or 3 serialized parts.
Is it worth it?

 

[spat]

Does not apply to any gun that has already been declared to have one serialized receiver.
IOW, does not apply to any gun currently on the market.

I must have missed that part of the bill, which line was it on ?

 

[spat]

No, but I did read the actual bill. Have a nice day.

Have you read many other ones, and compared the text to what's actually being enforced ?

'Cause it sounds like you are naively believing that this will be enforced in good faith.

History shows that any ambiguity will be abused in the worse possible ways.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Figured it might be time for some memories lol. Yup, you know the thing. Tired of the minutia and paying attention to it.

 

[Beerman]

Have you read many other ones, and compared the text to what's actually being enforced ?

'Cause it sounds like you are naively believing that this will be enforced in good faith.

History shows that any ambiguity will be abused in the worse possible ways.

Believe what you want, and enjoy Arizona. Don’t lose any sleep over what I believe. Have a nice day.

 

[kzin]

I must have missed that part of the bill, which line was it on ?

“(B) For purposes of subparagraph (A)(i), if a weapon with more than 1 part that provides the housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate 1 or more fire control or essential components, each such part shall be considered a frame or receiver, unless the Attorney General has provided otherwise by regulation or other formal determination with respect to the specific make and model of weapon on or before January 1, 2023.”.

It's also in the atf statement(s) with regard to receivers.
What has already been ruled 1 serialized piece stays that way.

 

[kzin]

"(1) in paragraph (10), by adding at the end the following: “The term ‘manufacturing firearms’ shall include assembling a functional firearm"


So, remove the bolt to clean, reassemble the gun after, and you have now illegally manufactured a gun.

Unless you are a licensed manufacturer of course.

Nothing in this law applies to guns that already have a legally accepted serial.

 

[Acer-m14]

Nothing in this law applies to guns that already have a legally accepted serial.

how will the jack boot brown shirts know if legal or not ..1 ser # or 3 or 5 or a gun made before there serial numbers on them ..

.. lock him up .. let the court figure it out ..

 

[spat]

Nothing in this law applies to guns that already have a legally accepted serial.

Where does it say that ?