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US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I agree with you .gov lies to us everyday and that’s 100% the truth. But if Trump sees something we don’t see what makes him better or more qualified than our intelligence experts? Maybe Trump is right and maybe the intelligence experts are wrong but I’d think we’d have our best intelligence people on this and I’m sorry but Trump isn’t better than them at that aspect. So then we go to are the intelligence experts telling the truth or is Trump wrong or saving face. History of politicians would say Trump is saving face. Insure people will tell me I’m wrong and how great and truthful Trump is but it’s worth looking into and exploring what happens if the intelligence experts are right. If it’s not destroyed and we brokered peace scolding both Iran and Israel for continuing to fight then what can we do without losing credibility and risking further escalations or complications all I’m saying. I have no clue who’s right and none of us on here do. We can speculate.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
From what I heard is they had a cease fire time set up and it was say 12-hours later than the handshake deal but Hezbollah sent in rockets to Israel so Israel was going to bomb Iran before the cease fire took effect after agreeing to it. Trump told Israel to stop and they did.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
What I'd like to know is, if the photos we've been shown of the convoy of trucks at the nuke site are real. If they are and they did move the stockpile, it seems to me we know where they went.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
NATO chief refers to Trump as 'daddy' as he praises US president over Israel-Iran ceasefire
Mark Rutte also thanked the president for pushing allies to agree to increase their spending contributions, saying it "wouldn't have happened" without him.
Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize over Israel-Iran cease-fire
President Trump was formally nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize on Tuesday for his efforts in securing the Israel-Iran cease-fire.
nypost.com
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
You hit it in the bullseye.....we`re ALL just speculating. Its all we can do. So many lies that we can`t tell the difference anymore because of most everything is a lie. As for Trump, they`re playing games with the guy. They all hate him. Lets be realistic, he`s a bullsh!t artist, but he`s far better than the cackler and the tampon sucking boy we could have ended up with running the country.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Absolutely I’m glad Trump won. He’s better than most and is doing great things. He’s a bs’er for sure. He wants and needs those sites to be destroyed because it would be bad politically for him if not. Does that mean he’s wrong or lying? I surely don’t know and never will.
Well said!
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Israel says they do. If they moved it why didn’t we destroy that too. I’m sure some will tell you not to question Trump because he knows more than we do and he does, but don’t kid yourself he doesn’t like to be wrong and it bothers him when people question him. Guys like that aren’t always up front but it’s kind of a character trait for presidents these days. Am I glad it’s Trump over Biden or Harris absolutely.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
You said it earlier, that there are better experts out there than Trump knowing what truths are, on what got hit. If i were to bet, they know exactly where every ounce of that shit is, and i`m betting not all of it got takin out, either. Remember, we have a dirty govt. There are secret deals being made that we`ll never be able to prove. Its dirty govt`s involved here, its what they do. And business is booming, pun intended.
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
Supposedly their uranium was enriched to 60% (natural uranium is 0.7%). That's far more than reactor grade, but far less than weapons grade.
They Supposedly had 330lbs of the 60%. If enriched further to 90% that's enough to make a few bombs.
You can go from 60% to 90% far faster than you can go from 0.7% to 60%. 60% to 90% is only a 1.5x concentration, 0.7% to 60% is an 86x concentration.
But you can't do it at all without centrifuge, or a gaseous diffusion plant or a calutron.
They may have gotten some stuff out, but it's a pretty safe bet that most of the equipment they need is now scrap.
So maybe they only got set back a few years, maybe more. This isn't the first time they've gotten close and we (or Isreal) had to push them back.
Isreal bombed an Iraqi reactor they were maing plutonium in way back in 81. We hit them with what is probably the most impressive cyber attack in history back in 2010. We destroyed most of their centrifuges bypassing an air gapped security system by infecting 70% of the USB flash drives in the whole country of Iran and waiting for one to get plugged into the right computer.
An Unprecedented Look at Stuxnet, the World's First Digital Weapon
In an excerpt from her new book, "Countdown to Zero Day," WIRED's Kim Zetter describes the dark path the world's first digital weapon took to reach its target in Iran.
We will probably have do something again in another 5 or 10 years.
The only permanent fix would be regime change in Iran to someone who doesn't want to nuke their neighbors.
Until we have the stomach for that, we'll have to settle for knocking them back down whenever they get close.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Even if you wiped out 100% of their program and scattered all their uranium to the wind, it's still just a delay.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
AGREED!
And as we go through the years of faster technologies, things are being built at the speed of light compared to just 10yrs ago.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
I also believe they know where it went, if it went. Agree wholeheartedly with Spats assessment that if we didnt get the material we destroyed all the apparatus. I think Trump saying we destroyed it all is just more 3d chess, let the Iranians think we dont know they have it and get sloppy. Its not below ground now so the Israelis dont need MOP's to get it
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Knowing Mossad, they probably have a plan to steal it and replace it with natural uranium.
The more Iran has to shuffle it around to keep it from getting bombed, the less secure it will be from good old fashioned espionage.
It's much easier for Iranians to feed us misinformation through double agents, than for Israel and US to recruit spies with access to secret information. They are not as backwards as many Westerners want to believe. They are smart and sophisticated people.