US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

"Maximum Pressure" Campaign and the odd comment from Trump about obliterating Iran if they attempt assassination.

National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE THE ATTORNEY

www.whitehouse.gov

If Iran attempts assassination, 'they get obliterated': President Trump

President Donald Trump sent a strong message to Iran on Tuesday, noting the country would be "obliterated" if he is killed in retribution.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Cooolone]

Iran should have been a glass parking lot a long long time ago!

So heating up? Nah... Just putting them back in place where they belong!

Not like the previous administration that loosened the noose and gave them billions back that no other previous administration would do, and with good reason!

So... Because I remember Beirut and more!

FUCK Iran!!!

 

[tirwin1]

I don't know if they are currently but it's a very safe bet they will be at some point in the future.

I think there are enough people there that want to overthrow the mullahs. If we could support that in some way that would be fine. Imagine the consequences if Iran ceased being the source of so much trouble and what it would mean for not just the middle east but the rest of the world.

 

[spat]

I don't know if they are currently but it's a very safe bet they will be at some point in the future.

I think there are enough people there that want to overthrow the mullahs. If we could support that in some way that would be fine. Imagine the consequences if Iran ceased being the source of so much trouble and what it would mean for not just the middle east but the rest of the world.

You're not wrong, but it's very rare for regime change in the middle east to actually improve anything.

You've got about 80% odds that the new guys will be even worse.

 

[tirwin1]

You're not wrong, but it's very rare for regime change in the middle east to actually improve anything.

You've got about 80% odds that the new guys will be even worse.

Actually I think it couldn't get worse. A typical greedy dictator would be better than the gang of religious zealots they have now. The west would throw him all kinds of money if he simply stopped funding terror and focused on banging hot chicks and assembling fleets of expensive cars. I think the west is dying to have a predictably greedy power mad dictator in place of the mullah nutjobs.

 

[spat]

Actually I think it couldn't get worse. A typical greedy dictator would be better than the gang of religious zealots they have now. The west would throw him all kinds of money if he simply stopped funding terror and focused on banging hot chicks and assembling fleets of expensive cars. I think the west is dying to have a predictably greedy power mad dictator in place of the mullah nutjobs.

I doubt the people in charge are especially religious.

It's just that religious zealotry is the most effective way to rule a totalitarian state.

I think it's just like the left here when they trot out "those poor children" or "those evil rich guys". They pay lip service to all sorts of things, but the only religion they actually observe is power.

 

[stokes]

I don't know if they are currently but it's a very safe bet they will be at some point in the future.

I think there are enough people there that want to overthrow the mullahs. If we could support that in some way that would be fine. Imagine the consequences if Iran ceased being the source of so much trouble and what it would mean for not just the middle east but the rest of the world.

Exactly how we got where we are today with Iran. Remember the Shah?

 

[tirwin1]

Exactly how we got where we are today with Iran. Remember the Shah?

Of course. He was light years better than the mullah nutjobs.

I'm not saying it's ideal in any way. Ideally there would be a representative democracy that came to power. I don't consider that a realistic option. The current regime in iran is a cruel overlord of its citizens and one of (if not THE) most destabilizing force in the world (certainly in the mideast). A regime that simply stopped funding terrorism would be 10x better than what is in place now, even if it was a cruel and petty dictatorship like Romania under Ceausescu. Sad but true.

 

[stokes]

Of course. He was light years better than the mullah nutjobs.

Not saying he wasnt, just that it didnt work out well the last time we installed someone in that hell hole. It'll just be a vicious cycle starting all over

 

[stokes]

We need to burn them to the ground and then let them rebuild, but this time around dont arm these goat fucking neanderthals. Let them go back to warring with each other with swords and camels.

 

[Saltwater60]

Iran should have been a glass parking lot a long long time ago!

So heating up? Nah... Just putting them back in place where they belong!

Not like the previous administration that loosened the noose and gave them billions back that no other previous administration would do, and with good reason!

So... Because I remember Beirut and more!

FUCK Iran!!!

I say ice skating rink because it sounds nicer and I came to say the same thing. I hope it’s heating up to nuclear temperatures

 

[spat]

We need to burn them to the ground and then let them rebuild, but this time around dont arm these goat fucking neanderthals. Let them go back to warring with each other with swords and camels.

The difference between Germany and Japan after WWII compared to all the "nation building" we've done since is that we didn't skip the demolition phase of the rebuild for Germany and Japan.

If you want to turn a tyrannical despotism into a free modern nation, you have to utterly destroy the despots before you start doing anything else.

And you absolutely have to be willing to accept some pretty horrific levels of civilian casualties.

 

[GOPerfect]

Are Things Heating Up In Iran? NOPE!​

 

[96coal449]

Curious. If the US dollar was back on the gold standard, would Iran's relations with the US be different?

 

[tirwin1]

The difference between Germany and Japan after WWII compared to all the "nation building" we've done since is that we didn't skip the demolition phase of the rebuild for Germany and Japan.

If you want to turn a tyrannical despotism into a free modern nation, you have to utterly destroy the despots before you start doing anything else.

And you absolutely have to be willing to accept some pretty horrific levels of civilian casualties.

A key difference in World War 2 was the media was solidly behind the government. I'm not sure if they were aware of the civilian casualties the allies inflicted on germany and japan. If they were there was very little outrage, probably none in the case of Japan because of pearl harbor.

The israelis unfortunately can't do what is required in terms of civilian casualties because the worldwide media is solidly against them and almost gleeful when a civilian is killed in gaza.

 

[stokes]

If they were there was very little outrage, probably none in the case of Japan because of pearl harbor.

It was a different era. Civilian casualties and collateral damage were accepted results of war. If killing the enemy was the objective they had no problem killing any people that supported that enemy and happened to be in the way.

 

[spat]

A key difference in World War 2 was the media was solidly behind the government. I'm not sure if they were aware of the civilian casualties the allies inflicted on germany and japan. If they were there was very little outrage, probably none in the case of Japan because of pearl harbor.

The israelis unfortunately can't do what is required in terms of civilian casualties because the worldwide media is solidly against them and almost gleeful when a civilian is killed in gaza.

Well, they can, they just need to decide they don't give a fuck what the media says.

 

[spat]

It was a different era. Civilian casualties and collateral damage were accepted results of war. If killing the enemy was the objective they had no problem killing any people that supported that enemy and happened to be in the way.

It was also total war.

Basically civilians were as much a part of the war effort as anyone else.

Nobody questions the right to bomb a munitions factory during a war, even though it's all civilians who work there.

Once you are in a total war situation, then *everyone* is serving a war industry like that.

 

[C3D]

After the US-Houthi strikes of yesterday and concurrently with Israel's airstrikes in Gaza, the Saudi news is reporting that this morning local time the US Navy sank Iran's most advanced naval vessel.

If so that marks a significant escalation and the targeting of this spy ship is likely a prelude to further action.

Iranian spy vessel believed to be sunk by US

Iranian reconnaissance ship Zagros was targeted and sunk by United States forces in the Red Sea, according to Saudi media outlet Al-Hadath.The Iranian naval intelligence ship specializes in signals in...

breakingthenews.net

Stay tuned . . .

 

[Jmac00]

sounds like the world is about to go to shit in a hand basket....

 

[spat]

Someone needs to send this video to the current leaders of Iran to remind them what FAFO looks like with a strong American president in office.

 

[holdover]

The Iranian ship was sunk in the red sea, My guess is that it was supplying targeting information to the Hooties under an Iranian flag

Col Doug McGreggor tweeted 3 carriers on route




Iran-backed Houthi terrorists launch a massive retaliation strike on the USS Harry S. Truman.

Just hours after President Trump authorized powerful military action to restore American deterrence in the region, the emboldened Houthis fired 18 ballistic and cruise missiles along with a drone attack, vowing to escalate against all U.S. warships in the Red Sea and Arabian Sea.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth made an appearance on “Sunday Morning Futures” with Maria Bartiromo, hammering home the clear message to America’s adversaries: the era of appeasement is over.

“An era of peace through strength is back,” Hegseth said.

“We are sitting on four years of deferred maintenance from Joe Biden, where in particular when you talk about the Houthis, they were allowed for over a hundred times to shoot at US ships, to shoot at commercial shipping,” Hegseth continued.

“This campaign is about freedom of navigation and restoring deterrence. The minute the Houthis say, we will stop shooting at your ships, we will stop shooting at your drones, this campaign will end, but until then, it will be unrelenting,” Hegseth warned.

Yemen’s Houthis Retaliate with Massive Attack on US Aircraft Carrier USS Harry Truman with 18 Ballistic Missiles and Drone — Vow to Target All U.S. Warships in Red Sea and Arabian Sea | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

In a bold escalation, Yemen’s Houthis launched a significant attack on the USS Harry S. Truman, threatening U.S. warships in the region. President Trump’s military response marks a pivotal moment in ongoing tensions.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[holdover]

If an attack on Iran is being considered, then the straights of Yeman and the Red sea must be secured for freedom of movement . I wouldnt be shocked to see an attack on Iranian assets in Syria by US or Israel shortly .

 

[spat]

The Iranian ship was sunk in the red sea, My guess is that it was supplying targeting information to the Hooties under an Iranian flag

Col Doug McGreggor tweeted 3 carriers on route




Iran-backed Houthi terrorists launch a massive retaliation strike on the USS Harry S. Truman.

Just hours after President Trump authorized powerful military action to restore American deterrence in the region, the emboldened Houthis fired 18 ballistic and cruise missiles along with a drone attack, vowing to escalate against all U.S. warships in the Red Sea and Arabian Sea.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth made an appearance on “Sunday Morning Futures” with Maria Bartiromo, hammering home the clear message to America’s adversaries: the era of appeasement is over.

“An era of peace through strength is back,” Hegseth said.

“We are sitting on four years of deferred maintenance from Joe Biden, where in particular when you talk about the Houthis, they were allowed for over a hundred times to shoot at US ships, to shoot at commercial shipping,” Hegseth continued.

“This campaign is about freedom of navigation and restoring deterrence. The minute the Houthis say, we will stop shooting at your ships, we will stop shooting at your drones, this campaign will end, but until then, it will be unrelenting,” Hegseth warned.

Yemen’s Houthis Retaliate with Massive Attack on US Aircraft Carrier USS Harry Truman with 18 Ballistic Missiles and Drone — Vow to Target All U.S. Warships in Red Sea and Arabian Sea | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

In a bold escalation, Yemen’s Houthis launched a significant attack on the USS Harry S. Truman, threatening U.S. warships in the region. President Trump’s military response marks a pivotal moment in ongoing tensions.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Yes, because firing ballistic missiles at US capital ships is always a good idea.

Imagine the shit storm if they actually hit one and killed some sailors.

 

[holdover]

Not sure what your saying there.

The shit storm is still coming , it just didnt get there yet.

 

[Criticalt]

Orrrrrr, we could just leave the area and let them all kill each other.
Sorry, this just comes from someone who spent a lot of time in the Middle East and talked to countless citizens who were just as clueless about their government's actions as most Americans are about our government's actions. They just want to live in peace and take care of their families. But, the absolutely are not allowed to voice those opinions....so most Americans believe the citizens agree with their leaders.
Perfect example.........
This moron on youtube "The Yankee Marshall" says he will not buy a firearm made in Turkey, because they are terrorists. I met many Turkish soldiers and civilians in the Middle East, and THEY were not terrorists. They were dudes with families who worried about their families while they were away, just like we did.
But it's the same thing over there. The citizens in the ME judge all of us for the actions of our government. To them, WE are terrorists.
The only militaries where everyone truly agrees on killing and hating their enemies and completely agree with their leaders are ISIS and the Taliban as far as I could tell.

 

[holdover]

Orrrrrr, we could just leave the area and let them all kill each other.
Sorry, this just comes from someone who spent a lot of time in the Middle East and talked to countless citizens who were just as clueless about their government's actions as most Americans are about our government's actions. They just want to live in peace and take care of their families. But, the absolutely are not allowed to voice those opinions....so most Americans believe the citizens agree with their leaders.
Perfect example.........
This moron on youtube "The Yankee Marshall" says he will not buy a firearm made in Turkey, because they are terrorists. I met many Turkish soldiers and civilians in the Middle East, and THEY were not terrorists. They were dudes with families who worried about their families while they were away, just like we did.
But it's the same thing over there. The citizens in the ME judge all of us for the actions of our government. To them, WE are terrorists.
The only militaries where everyone truly agrees on killing and hating their enemies and completely agree with their leaders are ISIS and the Taliban as far as I could tell.

Well I agree with you mostly, But the Hooties cant just stop international trade and threaten who they want , fire on our ships at will. Its like some 13 year old street thug that just got a Glock , and is waving it around and shooting it at people . That shit has to stop.

 

[spat]

Orrrrrr, we could just leave the area and let them all kill each other.
Sorry, this just comes from someone who spent a lot of time in the Middle East and talked to countless citizens who were just as clueless about their government's actions as most Americans are about our government's actions. They just want to live in peace and take care of their families. But, the absolutely are not allowed to voice those opinions....so most Americans believe the citizens agree with their leaders.
Perfect example.........
This moron on youtube "The Yankee Marshall" says he will not buy a firearm made in Turkey, because they are terrorists. I met many Turkish soldiers and civilians in the Middle East, and THEY were not terrorists. They were dudes with families who worried about their families while they were away, just like we did.
But it's the same thing over there. The citizens in the ME judge all of us for the actions of our government. To them, WE are terrorists.
The only militaries where everyone truly agrees on killing and hating their enemies and completely agree with their leaders are ISIS and the Taliban as far as I could tell.

Estimates are that the houthies shenanigans are responsible for about 0.3% global inflation because they are increasing the cost of so much shipping.

That's averaged over all products anywhere, not just what sails by them.

So, it *does* affect you.

 

[C3D]

Very interesting that a half day later there are numerous unconfirmed reports of the sinking yet no official US or Iranian communication on the subject.

 

[CNYJohn]

Every worthless P.O.S president since Carter has had the chance to turn Iran into glass.
None of the jackoffs have done it
How many lives have been lost because of spineless jackoffs more worried about the international community instead of the American community.

Do it, do it right once, be done