VA-Northum mulls over calling in the national guard to enforce gun laws

[Saltwater60]

What could go wrong. This very well be the test that holds the line or makes the dems go further. If people stand up I think they will know we’re serious. If they cowtow into them they will take things further. Calling in the national guard would or could be a disaster IMO

Bring In the National Guard to Enforce Virginia Gun Control, Says Dem

Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam said while there will not be “retaliation” there will be “consequences” for those who openly flout the law.

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[Deplorable Me]

Violence by proxy.

Democrats lost their minds when Trump sent National Guard to southern border.

 

[Robin]

I'm sure he will call up those units that are mostly urban based. Same thing the commies used to do in the old soviet union, call out the Siberian's to quell riots in the western parts and call out Russians to quell problems in the east.
Can't believe he's seriously considering this as a solution.
Robin

 

[nortatoga]

Can Trump order them to stand down?

 

[Saltwater60]

Can Trump order them to stand down?

I don’t think so. I’m not sure but the national guard is controlled by the state to prevent this from happening from what I understand. Don’t take this as fact I have not researched it but I thought that was the reason for the creation of the national guard.

 

[Robin]

He is the commander in chief, no one out ranks him in the chain of command of our armed forces.
Robin

 

[Criticalt]

Werent the Militias designed to fight tyrannical militaries who looked to violate rights.
Hmmmmmm

 

[spat]

He is the commander in chief, no one out ranks him in the chain of command of our armed forces.
Robin

The national guard is in theory a state organization and he is only in their chain of command when the governor commits them to national service IIRC.


Hundreds of people showed up in a couple hours when some guy said the cops are "red flagging" him on facebook.

Anyone want to guess who shows up if the county sherriff puts out a call for militia to resist a government gun grab coming in a couple days ?

People would be rolling into town in tracked vehicles and coming from hundreds of miles away.

 

[@thewheels]

Anyone want to guess who shows up if the county sherriff puts out a call for militia to resist a government gun grab coming in a couple days ?

I'd bet a few Doc Hollidays

 

[Robin]

The national guard is in theory a state organization and he is only in their chain of command when the governor commits them to national service IIRC.


Hundreds of people showed up in a couple hours when some guy said the cops are "red flagging" him on facebook.

Anyone want to guess who shows up if the county sherriff puts out a call for militia to resist a government gun grab coming in a couple days ?

People would be rolling into town in tracked vehicles and coming from hundreds of miles away.

No, he is always the commander in chief, only he has the authority to commit them to national service.
I don't quite understand the rest of you statements.
Robin

 

[spat]

No, he is always the commander in chief, only he has the authority to commit them to national service.
I don't quite understand the rest of you statements.
Robin

Looks like they got "federalized" in 2006. Before that the president couldn't order them to be mobilized without the consent of the governor.

As for the rest of the post, it was a reference to the recent issue we discussed at length on this forum about the guy who went on Facebook claiming he was being "red flagged" and hundreds of strangers showed up out of nowhere.

 

[tirwin1]

Has the governor lost his fucking mind? I can't believe they don't see the downside to this.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

President Trump just has to call them up to federal service and order them to stand down. That would end it.

 

[Bigfoot]

Can Trump order them to stand down?

President Trump can nationalize them so at that point they are under his direct command. IIRC.
Think,,, NG units being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan type of thing.

 

[Bigfoot]

Governor Nothram (Red Ralph) aka (Blackface) has threatened to send VaNG to the 2A Sanctuary counties to possibly arrest local LE and any other local government officials that refuse to enforce the up and coming unconstitutional gun control laws coming out of Richmond... At this point approx 76 out of 95 VA counties have declared themselves 2A sanctuary counties. Most of them counties voted for it unaminously. Some county sheriff's have said that they will deputize any county resident that can pass a background check. Local militias will be sponsored by the local government. County residents have vowed to protect their local government officials.

From the info that I have been reading (from the Virginians) they are not fucking around.
If the Democrats in Richmond do not back off. This could very well get ugly.

You have to remember. As far as gun control laws, us NY'ers were already desensitized to an extent before Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act was signed into law.. For an example we went from 70 mph to 100 mph overnight.
In contrast, the Virginians went from 5 mph to 100 mph overnight.

Over the decades us NY'ers have been poked in the eye, punched in the face, knocked to the ground, and hair pulled.
Then on top of that in 2013 we got kicked in the nuts... (NY UNSAFE Act) but we were desensitized over time.

Not so much with the Virginians. They just got kicked in the nuts right off the bat. And they are fighting mad about it.
IMO the Democrats in Richmond turned the pot of boiling water up way to high and way to fast and the frog now realizes what is going on and is jumping out of the pot.

I do not think that the VaNG will be very effective in a situation like this... Think about it...
From what I have been reading. There are a lot of LE in the VaNG. Now what group of people stick together
almost no matter what? .. What group of people have each others back almost no matter what?
What group of people have a very strong brotherhood? .. Yep, Law Enforcement.
With that being said. I do not see the VaNG arresting county sheriff's, sheriff's deputies, DA's and other local LE.
For upholding their oath to not only to the US constitution but the VA constitution also.

Interesting times we live in... TO HELL WITH THE TYRANTS!
The Virginians just might show the rest of us how that is done.

 

[Robin]

Okay Spat, got it. Yeah that was a, a, a, hoot, probably still some hard feelings over that one.

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Robin

 

[dubleuhb]

Well just who is the VaNG?
I'll bet mostly the same people who oppose this crap they are trying to impose, so yeah, go for it.

 

[Bigfoot]

Virginia has a right to "bear arms" embedded in their own constitution.

"That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; …"




Just like the U.S. 2nd Amendment...
At the end It reads... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. "period."

There is no, "except for," at the end... After "INFRINGED" it ends with a PERIOD... period.

Man, the Democrats are obsessed with disarming the law abiding citizenry... Constitutional rights be damned.
Even going so far as to put military and LE in a situation to where they may have to fight each other.
Why would that be? .. Why is this so important to them?

Hint, It has nothing to do with public safety or the cheeeelrin... But you all know that.

Never Ever, voluntarily disarm yourself... The radical Democrats are not after President Trump.
But they are after you... It's so obvious that Ray Charles's bunghole can see it.

FUAC!!!

 

[Bigfoot]

Well just who is the VaNG?
I'll bet mostly the same people who oppose this crap they are trying to impose, so yeah, go for it.

Yeah really... A bunch of good ole' boys being ordered to illegally disarm all of the other good ole' boys.
Family and friends of theirs, people in the community that they live among... Using violence if necessary.
I do not see that as being a very effective game plan for Governor Red Ralph Nothram.

If this goes down... Robin mentioned that they may use units that are from the urban areas.

 

[E the massive]

Time to call his bluff.

 

[Bigfoot]

The Democrats are all for sanctuary cities for the illegal invaders.
( Violating Federal immigration laws. )

But the Democrats cry foul when counties declare themselves 2A sanctuary counties.
( Protecting the citizens constitutional rights. )

The Democrats cry bloody murder when the NG was sent to the border to help the Border Patrol.
But the Democrats are just fine using the NG to illegally disarm law abiding tax paying citizens.
And arresting local LE for honoring their oath to the U.S. constitution.

You can't make this frickin' stuff up... Who's side are the Democrats on?

 

[Bigfoot]

Time to call his bluff.

A "armed" march (Rally) on Richmond is set for Jan. 20, 2020.
From what I have read there are people coming from other states to support the Virginians in this endeavor.

 

[Bigfoot]

After the Democrats stole all of the power in the Virginia state government.
The Democrats took (less than 3 weeks) to submit these gun control bills.

The reason that I say "stole" is the fact that this has Bloomberg's fingerprints all over it.

This a test case IMO... If the Democrats succeed in VA. They will use the same model across the rest of the country.
I do not think that the Democrats will be successful though... IMO the Virginians mean what they say.
This is not NY... This is not California...

 

[Deplorable Me]

After the Democrats stole all of the power in the Virginia state government.
The Democrats took (less than 3 weeks) to submit these gun control bills.

The reason that I say "stole" is the fact that this has Bloomberg's fingerprints all over it.

This a test case IMO... If the Democrats succeed in VA. They will use the same model across the rest of the country.
I do not think that the Democrats will be successful though... IMO the Virginians mean what they say.
This is not NY... This is not California...

It's only election interference when the money comes from overseas.

 

[Bigfoot]

It's even on the Virginia state flag... "Thus Always to Tyrants"

 

[speedkills27]

This a test case for gun control in Texas IMO... If the Democrats succeed in VA. They will use the same model across the rest of the country.
I do not think that the Democrats will be successful though... IMO the Virginians mean what they say.
This is not NY... This is not California...

Fixed it

 

[Marine Cpl]

Just like the U.S. 2nd Amendment...
At the end It reads... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. "period."

There is no, "except for," at the end... After "INFRINGED" it ends with a PERIOD... period.

Except for felons, someone who got into an argument with wife, and someone deemed a threat by a doctor or school official of course.

You know. What most (not you) on this forum support.

 

[Jmac00]

“And ultimately, I’m not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” he continued. “That’s his call, because I don’t know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that’s obviously an option he has.”

I thought the constitution forbid any military from police action. Essentially, this would be a policing action brought on by the governor, would it not? so that would be illegal for the governor to do.

 

[E the massive]

I thought the constitution forbid any military from police action. Essentially, this would be a policing action brought on by the governor, would it not? so that would be illegal for the governor to do.

Think that is federal military not state NG. But, is this putz really going to send troops to arrest duly elected officials and other citizens? I doubt it. The shit storm would be epic and it should.

 

[spat]

Okay Spat, got it. Yeah that was a, a, a, hoot, probably still some hard feelings over that one.

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The day did not start out well for Andrew Oliver. The recently appointed Stamp Act Distributor for colonial Massachusetts awoke on the morning of August 14, 1765, to learn that his effigy was hanging on an elm tree in Boston by a road that everyone who traveled into town had to pass by. The...

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Robin

My how things have changed in Massachusetts.

Imagine what those folks would do if they saw today's laws.