Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Show me the post where I said printing is illegal?
Virginia man arrested for Criminal Possession of a Weapon
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't own a safe.
So I'm guessing that when you go to take your gun off your belt you make sure to keep it wrapped up in a shirt (in a way that it also doesnt look like anything but a piled up shirt) so that it stays concealed
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Dude. Why are you being an asshole? I never once said printing was illegal.
If you read from the first post on to the last, you will see that the only thing I've said is that printing matters. And it obviously did to this guy.
If you read from the first post on to the last, you will see that the only thing I've said is that printing matters. And it obviously did to this guy.
So you are now sayin that open carry is legal?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Nope.
repete
.338 Win Mag
After finishing his shopping! I try not to print but it happens and it's only a big deal to anti gun assholes that think guns kill people all by themselves.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
When I lived in Monticello one summer I was waiting in my truck at small shopping mall this pickup parked in the fire zone area guy gets out and right away I could tell he was strapped I think it was a 45cal which to me wasn't an issue but not only was he printing big time his attitude and actions of being load and obnoxious I really think he was trying be confrontational with someone 
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It depends on the location. Deep upstate chances are no one will bother you or even care. Downstate is a totally different issue.
Try walking around printing deliberately badly in Westchester or Rockland and the liberals will call the cops on you. Even in Orange I was questioned once by an off duty NYPD cop who assumed I was a cop.
Some guys have no idea what it's like living within 100 miles of NYC. These counties are flooded with transplants.
Try walking around printing deliberately badly in Westchester or Rockland and the liberals will call the cops on you. Even in Orange I was questioned once by an off duty NYPD cop who assumed I was a cop.
Some guys have no idea what it's like living within 100 miles of NYC. These counties are flooded with transplants.
Never once has anyone said anything to me or called the cops on me and I mostly wear regular t-shirts with zero regard for fully covering my firearm.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Hell, even in Texas I've seen Moms Demand Action nazis set up gauntlets at store entrances/parking lots with cellphones in their hands for calling the police and creating a scene at customer service. If they see printing at a 30.07 business (no open carry, licensed concealled carry only) they scream open carry, if they see printing of a concealed carrier violating a 30.06 business (no open or licensed concealed carry) they scream gun, gun, they have a gun.
The message from this post is the world is not safe from looney liberal activists.
Note: In Texas it is a Class C misdemeanor to ignore a 30.06 sign by bringing a gun in that estsblisment, however, refusing to leave when directed to can lead to arrest and charges of criminal trespass by a License to Carry holder faces a Class A misdemeanor, which carries with it a potential sentence of one year in jail, and/or a fine of up to $4,000.
In Texas it Class C misdemeanor to open carry at a 30.07 establishment punishable by a fine not to exceed $200, except that the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if it is shown on the trial of the offense that, after entering the property, a license holder or gun holder was personally given the notice by oral communication described by Subsection (b) and subsequently failed to depart.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It doesn't happen to everyone. But when it does, it does. It happened to the Virginian.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
That is expected. In NY, most of the public assume everyone is not carrying. The normal public is oblivious and usually only carriers looking for firearms would notice lazy concealment and they don't care if you print. If you had that same attitude in Gun Friendly Texas (where it is assumed eveyone is carrying) you would get called out at a 30.06 establishment. Seen it way too often and it's the way our brain processes cognitive information. The individual human brain very readily recognizes what "that individual" is aware of, or what that individual is looking for.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's funny how people think because it never happened to them that it doesn't happen. I've never had to use a pistol in self defense so I guess I shouldn't even carry one because it doesn't happen.
But the point is there is no such thing as “printing”. All else being legal, “printing” means nothing according to the law.
My first post covered it succinctly: unless you’re doing something illegal or consider the possibility of a brief stop equivalent to Nazi Germany, then “printing” in NY will never affect you.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Right but no one here ever said that printing was illegal. What was said was that printing isn't a thing. It clearly is a thing depending on who you are and who sees you printing.
If I print going into Time Square Subway for example in front of the illegal bag check they have there without a license, it's a real thing. If I print at Walmart on my way home from work and am detained because of it, it's also a thing because I lose time and gain aggravation explaining that I'm legal or I could end up on the ground one second away from being shot if I move wrong but according to Edward, it isn't.
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
You are not wrong.
One point I was making is - no one saying anything when you print, does not mean they endorse concealed or open carry, it only means that they did not notice.
A second point is that - because much of the public assumes few people carry in NY, weak concealing practices are likely to be unnoticed in NY but don't assume those practices would go unnoticed elsewhere.
A third point is that nonconsequential impacts for common concealed carry practices in anti gun New York, can actually be illegal and carry criminal consequences in a gun friendly state if printing is noticed. One crazy anti gun mom can spoil the day of a permitted civilian carrier if they print in some places.
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Weird that it is actually worse in a pro-gun state but that does makes sense the way you explain it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just curious here. Statements were made that if you live in New York it wouldn't affect you.
So if you get out of your Jeep at the Walmart parking lot and some crazy, loon liberal see your gun and gets on the horn and calls that a crazy looking, bearded guy just left his car with a gun and it's going into the Walmart, how will that not affect you?
Sure the cops could be level headed and pull you to the side (that would affect me sinces I don't want to be bothered) or what if they are going by the information they got, you were a threat? Would that affect you? You could be one second from being shot if you inadvertently disobey a command or if unbeknownst to you a move is made on your part that can be construed and justified by the cop that you do not see yet that shows him that you going for your gun.
Do you know how many times I've adjusted myself or reached in a pocket for my phone while turning around?
Yes. It can truly affect a card-carrying law abiding citizen.
So if you get out of your Jeep at the Walmart parking lot and some crazy, loon liberal see your gun and gets on the horn and calls that a crazy looking, bearded guy just left his car with a gun and it's going into the Walmart, how will that not affect you?
Sure the cops could be level headed and pull you to the side (that would affect me sinces I don't want to be bothered) or what if they are going by the information they got, you were a threat? Would that affect you? You could be one second from being shot if you inadvertently disobey a command or if unbeknownst to you a move is made on your part that can be construed and justified by the cop that you do not see yet that shows him that you going for your gun.
Do you know how many times I've adjusted myself or reached in a pocket for my phone while turning around?
Yes. It can truly affect a card-carrying law abiding citizen.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
WOW!!! i'm surprised this thread is still on the tracks not derailed of other things seen printing at walmart that really shouldn't be seen LOL ..
So if we can ONLY carry CONCEALED in NY, but according to your "logic" if you print you are no longer concealing according to the law (still havent proven that, you just used a Google definition) than printing would then be Open carrying.... which you have mentioned in many threads is illegal (I still have yet to actually find that in the law but sure)
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Where do you open carry except for hunting ? I think he would of been on the road to losing his permit for an open carry in public if he had a carry permit for NY. Hell, they were taking cardboard AR-15's away illegally in Albany during the crap act assembly. I wouldn't test the attitude of any LEO by carrying open in public, especially in a shopping area.
If all he was doing ws printing than that wouldn't be open carry. Unless you believe wills fear and definition
I’m not arguing on this forum anymore and since you’ve already set the bar incredibly low for your annoyance level, there’s not much more to say without possibly arguing. You shouldn’t print, I agree with you based on your posts. I don’t care about it and consider it a non-issue.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
At approximately 9:30pm on January 24, 2019 Troopers responded to the Walmart on Hoosick Road in the town of Brunswick for a report of a subject in possession of a holstered side arm. Upon interviewing Holbrook, Troopers found that he was traveling from Virginia to Maine with a side arm, however, he did not have a valid New York State pistol permit.
So how did they observe the holstered gun...in plain sight..or did they remove his clothing before observing it ?
So how did they observe the holstered gun...in plain sight..or did they remove his clothing before observing it ?
M_F
.45 acp
Did the NYPD officer ask to see your "papers" since you were not a cop?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. What happened was that I was in the checkout line at the supermarket last summer in my hometown in Orange County. I was wearing an almost tight t-shirt that I threw on real quick just to go and was printing.
The lady behind me kept watching me as I was loading groceries onto the belt. When I finished loading the groceries on the belt she asked me where did I work? I looked at her dumbfoundead and said, "in the city." She said, " What precinct? I said, "I don't work in a precinct." She said, "It shows." I was still confused so I said, "What that I work in the city?" She said, "No. Your sidearm."I said. Ok. I waited to get rung up and left.
She thought that I must have been a cop or some federal officer or something. I believe she was too by the lingo she was using.
I hated that. Some think it's funny and cool like a badge of honor. I look at it as sloppiness. It's being piss-poor at your your craft. She made me out. A criminal could make me out too. No one needs to know that I'm carrying but myself and the guy who means me harm.
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GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Lesson learned you didn't blend into your surroundings
Uzi
.308 Win
You're missing out homes. After I got my permit, I picked up my gold plated desert eagle with those matte tiger stripes, ya know? I leave that shit hanging out mexican carry style with my beater underneath. Matches my gold chain and belt buckle ese. So now when I'm walking down the burbs, I'm the chulo.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
the real problem is the 911 dispatch ..
911 .. whats your emergency ?
caller .. i see a guy with a gun in a holster ..
911 .. that's how you carry a gun ..
click ..