What are my options as a Long Islander in the current Carona Crisis.

[M_F]

OP South Shore Sportsman (Merrick and Islip Locations) are still open by appointment only, give them a call and ask what they have available. It will save you precious time. I was at the Islip location last weekend before they closed to the general public and they had a limited selection of bolt action rifles, pump action and semi auto shotguns.

 

[Chevusa]

The attorney has access to the same laws that we do. There isn’t a secret law book for attorneys only.

Half true. You can google something and read a paragraph about it, sure. You don't have access to the case law and you don't have the experience. You don't know what other laws may apply. You don't know the outcomes of similar cases. You also ignored the final and biggest point that bad representation from a lawyer opens other options that bad advice from an internet warrior does not. If you were absolutely right then why would anyone pay a lawyer for advice or representation? You are the one arguing a silly point that you know all things lawyers do. I'm not going to continue arguing something that is so obvious. It's like talking to a wall. Move along.

 

[Mk44]

Hey guys new to the forum. I tried using the search feature here but couldn’t exactly find my scenario. So I’m from Long Island and with the current crisis, the shops here are only selling to LE at the moment. I called some upstate shops that have some good inventory still in stock. Looking at some fully assembled AR platform rifles. They said I could purchase however if I travel through NYC to go home I wouldn’t be able to do that. I could technically go through Connecticut and take the ferry back home but I am unsure of their laws as well. Has anyone ever ran into this before? What are my options besides building one at home. (Not up to that task yet) Sorry for the long winded post just trying to give as much info as possible. Thank you!!

Welcome to the forum. Don't know what gun shop gave you that info? But it doesn't make any sense to me.. Many LGS around here sell both NY compliant AR's and standard AR's (with all the features). The non-safeact/ standard AR15's are available to LE only.
I assume you're a civilian looking for a NY complaint AR15. I don't know why a gun shop would say they're holding their supply of AR15's for LE unless they are LE only AR15's (non-safeact/ has all the features) and maybe the shop is sold out of NY compliant AR15's.
( I would think most LEO wouldn't want a NY compliant AR15 when they can have standard (non-safeact) AR15.)

I'm in Suffolk, if you want to PM me. I know of a couple of LGS that you can call for a NY complaint AR15.

If you do decide to buy it upstate. Just get a guncase and a small lock (suitcase lock.) Lock it up in the trunk separate from any ammo and drive home. Don't make any stops in NYC ( drive straight through. )

 

[Marine Cpl]

Half true. You can google something and read a paragraph about it, sure. You don't have access to the case law and you don't have the experience. You don't know what other laws may apply. You don't know the outcomes of similar cases. You also ignored the final and biggest point that bad representation from a lawyer opens other options that bad advice from an internet warrior does not. If you were absolutely right then why would anyone pay a lawyer for advice or representation? You are the one arguing a silly point that you know all things lawyers do. I'm not going to continue arguing something that is so obvious. It's like talking to a wall. Move along.

Why would anyone pay? Because they don’t know where to look. If we were talking about intricate law regarding different codes, than yes. But transferring a rifle is pretty basic. If you feel you want to pay because you may think that some obscure case law supersedes the actual written law, than go ahead. The rest of don’t need to. To prove my point, go hire an attorney and see if he will tell us different other than FOPA and the NYC Code for transporting a legal rifle. My bet is that you will pay for the same information.

And your point about getting bad advice from an attorney is false. You should know that already. There isn’t an immunity law for those that broke a law given from bad legal advice. If your accountant gives you bad advice you are still subject to tax evasion.

 

[2A All Day]

Good luck with NICS. I heard we broke it.

I’ve heard that too! Haha.

 

[2A All Day]

Welcome to the forum. Don't know what gun shop gave you that info? But it doesn't make any sense to me.. Many LGS around here sell both NY compliant AR's and standard AR's (with all the features). The non-safeact/ standard AR15's are available to LE only.
I assume you're a civilian looking for a NY complaint AR15. I don't know why a gun shop would say they're holding their supply of AR15's unless they are LE only AR15's (non-safeact/ has all the features) and the shop is sold out of NY compliant AR15's.

I'm in Suffolk, if you want to PM me. I know of a couple of LGS that you can call for a NY complaint AR15.

Thank you very much! I’ll message soon.

 

[nortatoga]

@2A All Day have you looked into a ARES/Fight SCR ? There are a couple of threads on here.

 

[Cooolone]

i heard that was still considered loaded in NY .. i hate NY lol

Hahaha, a pretty hard point to prove, or assume, if the firearm is disassembled... What's the occupant going to do, jamb a slug in the pipe and hit the primer with a rock? And I mean disassembled! I'd love to see if someone can post case history of successful prosecution of such an example of so heinous a crime! Lol

Want to make it even simpler, ship the firing pin/bolt, etc., or any part that would render it inoperable separately without the part (as a whole). Parts is parts... It isn't a firearm until assembled. Example, would it be a firearm if there was no barrel but all the other pertinent parts were present in the vehicle, separated/disassembled?

Curious on opinions

 

[Chevusa]

It isn't a firearm until assembled.

Wrong. The serialized lower is the firearm. Nothing else matters. If a person is caught with a firearm that has it's firing pin removed and they aren't allowed to be in possession of it they can and will still be charged with criminal possession of a weapon.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This is what I would do.

Thoroughly inspect my car to make sure all lights worked, inspection and registration good, tires good, all belts are good, fluids are good....

Bring a locking case and lock with you.

Go and buy said gun.

Separate the upper and lower. Take the BCG out of the upper. Lock one of those stupid mag well cable locks in the mag well and through ejection port.

lock the upper in one case.

lovk the lower and the BCG in another case.

"If" you have ammo keep it locked in a separate case.

keep them all in the locked trunk.

DO NOT STOP in NYC. Proceed directly thru the city without stopping.

drive home carefully following all laws and not worry about it.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

This is what I would do.

Thoroughly inspect my car to make sure all lights worked, inspection and registration good, tires good, all belts are good, fluids are good....

Bring a locking case and lock with you.

Go and buy said gun.

Separate the upper and lower. Take the BCG out of the upper. Lock one of those stupid mag well cable locks in the mag well and through ejection port.

lock the upper in one case.

lovk the lower and the BCG in another case.

"If" you have ammo keep it locked in a separate case.

keep them all in the locked trunk.

DO NOT STOP in NYC. Proceed directly thru the city without stopping.

drive home carefully following all laws and not worry about it.

No hookers then?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

No hookers then?

No blow either

 

[ArmedCorgi]

No blow either

No blow neither

 

[cgrutt]

Wrong. The serialized lower is the firearm. Nothing else matters. If a person is caught with a firearm that has it's firing pin removed and they aren't allowed to be in possession of it they can and will still be charged with criminal possession of a weapon.

Agree but note under NY law a stripped lower receiver (or a fully assembled and functioning NY compliant MSR) is not a "firearm" and certainly not semi-automatic (stripped lower). So a person who is not otherwise prohibited would not be charged with possession of a so-called "assault weapon" in that case. Now if all the parts were there but it was disassembled your guess is as good as mine...

 

[BDinPutnam]

Good luck with NICS. I heard we broke it.

I fucking well hope so.

On topic, thank god I'm not a mod cause I'm kind of a dick. Question was asked and answered.

 

[Cooolone]

Wrong. The serialized lower is the firearm. Nothing else matters. If a person is caught with a firearm that has it's firing pin removed and they aren't allowed to be in possession of it they can and will still be charged with criminal possession of a weapon.

You're taking liberties with my post...

The assumptions made from the OP is he has a legal firearm and is transporting it. The discussion evolved to traveling "through" NYC. And then a response was made that it was considered loaded regardless if in vehicle with ammunition present but still separate. Follow along please

Also, earlier I said if you wanted to "break their balls". I did not say or imply disassembly and carrying parts by "unlawful persons or for unlawful purposes would", then be legal if in pieces!

Maybe I need to be more clear then and should have posted a more precise discription, lol, or you could also say having the lower while selling illegal drugs is a crime too, and as such would be just as obtuse to the discussion. But yes, the lower, serialized part, is what the ATF considers a "Firearm", thank you for the reminder

Any comment on Constructive Possession then while passing thru NYC as I put it out there? Or it doesn't matter whether the firearm is as a whole functional or not? Kinda like the D.C. case of the guy with the spent Shotgun Shell comes to mind...

 

[Chevusa]

Any comment on Constructive Possession then while passing thru NYC as I put it out there

Pretty simple. Any firearm he buys at NY FFL is good to go. They don't sell them loaded, so put it in the trunk or non-passenger area of the vehicle and drive home. Not sure why this is still an ongoing discussion.

 

[REF]

This thread is so fucking unnecessary anywhere else in the free world with a few exceptions and occasionally really brings things into perspective in the current atmosphere/state we reside in. Just saying, carry on

 

[Chevusa]

This thread is so fucking unnecessary anywhere else in the free world with a few exceptions and occasionally really brings things into perspective in the current atmosphere/state we reside in. Just saying, carry on

Substitute "anywhere else in the free world" with "anywhere else in the United States" and yes, you are correct.

 

[repete]

"
"Anyone who comes to the internet to get binding legal advice from a stranger is a fool and will probably find themselves locked at some point regardless. Retain a lawyer if you have serious legal concerns.

Back to my reply, as quoted in federal law, if you are legal at the start and finish, NY has no say in it. In this case he wouldn't be able to purchase anything in NY to start with so it wouldn't put anyone in jeopardy."

So after calling the OP a fool for asking advice you then give the following advice. Kind of makes you look like a fool.


QUOTE="Chevusa, post: 691072, member: 3119"]
Pretty simple. Any firearm he buys at NY FFL is good to go. They don't sell them loaded, so put it in the trunk or non-passenger area of the vehicle and drive home. Not sure why this is still an ongoing discussion.
[/QUOTE]

 

[Chevusa]

"
"Anyone who comes to the internet to get binding legal advice from a stranger is a fool and will probably find themselves locked at some point regardless. Retain a lawyer if you have serious legal concerns.

Back to my reply, as quoted in federal law, if you are legal at the start and finish, NY has no say in it. In this case he wouldn't be able to purchase anything in NY to start with so it wouldn't put anyone in jeopardy."

So after calling the OP a fool for asking advice you then give the following advice. Kind of makes you look like a fool.


QUOTE="Chevusa, post: 691072, member: 3119"]
Pretty simple. Any firearm he buys at NY FFL is good to go. They don't sell them loaded, so put it in the trunk or non-passenger area of the vehicle and drive home. Not sure why this is still an ongoing discussion.

[/QUOTE]
A swing and a miss! He wouldn't need advice if he goes to a FFL like I said. Do you get legal advice before you go to a FFL? Nope. They aren't selling you anything that would require it. Nice try.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don’t know Chevy. I thought Repete’s post was spot on. You gave him legal advice then called him a fool for asking for legal advice. It’s all there in the first page.

And not all FFL’s sell legal items. Like I said in a previous post, there was one respected FFL here on this very forum who sold 14.5 inch barrels to many with a muzzle brake just glued on. There was another in Rockland that did the same. Another in Albion had to recall rifles that had bullet buttons on them and make them fixed. And on the flip side there were many FFL’s who refused to sell legal firearms like SKSs and KSGs because according to them they were illegal when they weren’t.

 

[Acer-m14]

@Marine Cpl .. Jackson's i think is the name off the FFL in Rochester area .. that fiasco .. and was it DS in the NYC area ?

 

[Acer-m14]

also i see some post on fed law .. King of NYS doesn't give 2 shits about FED Law ..

 

[spat]

Wrong. The serialized lower is the firearm. Nothing else matters. If a person is caught with a firearm that has it's firing pin removed and they aren't allowed to be in possession of it they can and will still be charged with criminal possession of a weapon.

Wrong.

In NYS law all firearms must be registered on a pistol permit. Anything you can legally possess without a pistol permit is not classified as a firearm.

Also, we are talking about the AW definitions. In order to qualify there it needs to be semiautomatic.

A rifle without a firing pin is just as "not semiautomatic" as one without a gas tube.

As for getting expert advice from a lawyer, that's just like getting advice from any other professional.

It is certainly a good idea, they tend to be correct more often than "the internet", but doesn't really get you any more protection.

Basically bad advice from a doctor or lawyer is just as wrong as the same answer from one of us. It's just less likely is all.

Also, lawyers specialize. You can ask for firearm law advice from your divorce attorney, but there is no guarantee it's going to be any better than what you get here.

 

[BDinPutnam]

No hookers then?

G2G if locked in a separate box in the trunk.

 

[Cooolone]

G2G if locked in a separate box in the trunk.

Hahahaha... Don't forget to throw in a bottle of water and a few apples before you lock the box. Airholes are usually a good idea!

I'm no lawyer, but I think that's pretty good advice!!!

 

[Jmac00]

I think you-all worry to much. My general 'rule-of-thumb' when transporting firearms is simple ~~~

Keep all firearm cases out of site and locked, don't violate any traffic laws, and don't crash, go where ever you want.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Another thing, were in the middle of a pandemic with NYC being the current worst area. Do you really think police are looking to make minor traffic stops and have more public interaction? Not likely.

I still wouldn't stop in NYC. I would proceed directly through and go home.

You're a United States citizen. You're buying something that is legal where you purchase it, and legal where you live and it's all in the same state.

You're not smuggling 10kg of heroin or something.

Just keep the guns unloaded and locked up in a case in the trunk, drive safe, follow laws, don't stop in NYC.

 

[cgrutt]

@spat I'd be willing to bet the average NYGF member knows much more about NYS gun laws than the average NYS lawyer (and even more than that for the average NYS FUDD)...