Judge Tosses Trump Document Case

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Heads are going to explode.

I'm going to pick his birthday numbers for the lottery.

What an amazing weekend. ( Trump's luck, not the events of weekend, or loss of life.)
 
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JaguarJaguarGolf said:
Judge asked who gave Jack $12 million to spend. Congress did not.
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Counsel Smith’s Statement of Expenditures reflects $12,807,668 in direct expenses drawn from the Indefinite Appropriation, plus an additional $11,096,601 in “component” expenses “attributable to this investigation,” also drawn from the Indefinite Appropriation. 5
 
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The prosecutors should be writing fat checks for all legal fees, time, and personal damages.
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My apologies but I can't agree with this. Everyone that was involved in this travesty of so-called "Justice" ought to be fired, arrested, charged, found guilty and be hung as traitors.

It is obvious that the fascist trash entered into multiple conspiracies to destroy Trump before he even got the nomination, and its been dozens of unlawful attacks on him since then. What is going on is utter bullshit, and I say that as a guy who doesn't put much stock in Trump at all.

The whole "Documents" case was lies from the start topped off with evidence tampering.

I absolutely know that he's been maliciously (not just "unfairly") collaborated against purposely by our "government" for more than 8 years now, that all of it is NOT true American Justice AT ALL but complete bullshit, and I stand by him in the sense that NO ONE ought to be trod upon by the fucking jackboots that call themselves government "servants." My dislike for the man at this point (after voting for him twice) does not cloud my judgment that he is being persecuted.

They just tried to kill the man by shooting him in the head for God's sake!

Heads need to roll, all according to due process and actual American Justice.
 
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Well yeah after the SCOTUS ruling. 1) Per the ruling nothing obtained under executive privileged could be used. 2) Justice Thomas made it clear that the appointment of Jack Smith as special prosecutor was not within the power of the executive branch. The DOJ appointed a civilian into a position that was created for a U.S. attorney appointment and approval by Congress. Jack Smith doesn't qualify nor was he approved by Congress.

Yes heads will explode out of complete ignorance of the constitution.
 
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John Stark said:
My apologies but I can't agree with this. Everyone that was involved in this travesty of so-called "Justice" ought to be fired, arrested, charged, found guilty and be hung as traitors.

It is obvious that the fascist trash entered into multiple conspiracies to destroy Trump before he even got the nomination, and its been dozens of unlawful attacks on him since then. What is going on is utter bullshit, and I say that as a guy who doesn't put much stock in Trump at all.

The whole "Documents" case was lies from the start topped off with evidence tampering.

I absolutely know that he's been maliciously (not just "unfairly") collaborated against purposely by our "government" for more than 8 years now, that all of it is NOT true American Justice AT ALL but complete bullshit, and I stand by him in the sense that NO ONE ought to be trod upon by the fucking jackboots that call themselves government "servants." My dislike for the man at this point (after voting for him twice) does not cloud my judgment that he is being persecuted.

They just tried to kill the man by shooting him in the head for God's sake!

Heads need to roll, all according to due process and actual American Justice.
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Trump may have a fair number of odious personality traits, but so did Churchill.

At this point we're looking for someone to lead us to victory against an existential threat to our way of life, not someone to teach our kids at Sunday school.
 
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Well, specifically if they aren't current US attorneys.

You *can* appoint a special prosecutor, you just can't choose any rando you feel like.
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Right. I read the decision. Which is why I then posted about it and a gave a link to an article that detailed that particular part of her ruling so others had some context without having to slog through the entire ruling or watch a 3 hour video.

Specifically its always been possible since the Constitution was ratified for the Attorney General to appoint someone as a prosecutor to any given cases where there a conflict of interest exists or potentially exists. Given the plenary executive power of the President, I would argue that its also always been possible for the POTUS to appoint such a prosecutor as well. This is obvious given fact that the President has the power to appoint the Attorney General, which also means he has the power to fire him for any reason and then appoint someone else more to his tastes (who would then be required to follow a presidential order to appoint the prosecutor the president demands). Even if Congress refused to confirm an appointment, the President can simply hand the duties of the fired AG over to the next in line or whoever he wants and then simply wait to make a recess appoint of his chosen AG when Congress is out of session. He can also allow an underling to temporarily handle a cabinet level positions that opens up unfilled for some reason (death, illness, resignation, etc. and yes, also if the appointed & confirmed official is fired. Trump did exactly that on more than one occasion just as most or at least many presidents have).

Frankly, its a matter of common knowledge that this is how cabinet positions have always been handled, at least among those who give a shit about how and why our government is supposed to work.

Thanks for reminding me why I posted the article that specifically addressed the reason Jack Smith was illegaly "appointed!"
 
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spat said:
Trump may have a fair number of odious personality traits, but so did Churchill.

At this point we're looking for someone to lead us to victory against an existential threat to our way of life, not someone to teach our kids at Sunday school.
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True. It's often Trumps attitude and or big mouth that turns people/voters off. Some treat the elections as a personality contest, instead of a get the country back on the right track contest. I know a few people who think that way and their heels are dug in. Sometimes medicine doesn't taste good but you gotta take it.
 
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Garland that stooge of stooges, IS that stupid................he can now try to hand the case over to a REAL US Atty in Fla.


However the authority to even investigate the case is now in question.
Congress did not authorize such an investigation at all.

All the so called evidence, has to be tested vs the fruit of the tainted tree...............and a new investigation begun........


The Biden documents case was similarly handled and maybe Robert Hur was aware that he was also not properly given that authority........

Thank God, that back in the day McConnell realized just what a piece of shit Garland was, and refused to allow his nomination to SCOTUS, to be voted upon.
 
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Trump may have a fair number of odious personality traits, but so did Churchill.

At this point we're looking for someone "to lead us to victory against an existential threat to our way of life..."
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I could care less about Trump's mean tweets or whatever. Personality does not change my views on principle.

Now its interesting how you worded that. You're looking for someone "to victory against an existential threat to our way of life..."

Who was it who initially handed off the covid scam to Pence, not initially taking it seriously and then jumping in once he realized that covid was going to be a political liability?

Was covid bullshit an existential threat to our way of life? Who got in front of the podium to address the nation that we were going to shut down the entire country for a few weeks, and said that "hopefully we can open back up by Easter?" Who then handed the podium and authority to Birx and Fauci for the rest of his term as president? I mean, he could have fired their asses and refused to go along with their advice, correct?

Who was it who put the nation on a wart time footing so we could pump out ventilators? Who was that parked naval mercy ships in NY harbor?

Who was it who authorized Operation Warp Speed so the facist pharma companies could start collecting their tax payer funded billions at our expence?

Who was it who was singing his own praises for Operation Warp Speed and the "millions and millons of peooke" he "saved" with his jabs that he made sure to come to fruition, and then suddenly clammed up about it recently when he saw that it was hurting him politically?

Who was it who "presided" over cabinet officials and the permanent beauacracy that was in a shambles and hamstring for all 4 years of his tenure with very little pushback against their ruthless and unlawful refusal to administer the government according to his Constitutional authority? Who was it who left tons of Clinton, Bush Sr. and JR, and Obama appointees and hires who spent all four years of his term backstabbing him and never getting fired or prosecuted for the unlawful bullshit they were pulling?

Who was it who sat on his ass while Burn Loot Murder and Antifa were burning cities and communites down and murding people in the streets and their businesses, including police precincts; and never once mobilized a federal response via the National Guard and other Fed agencies other than a few federal agents sent here and there to protect a few Fedgov court houses.

Who was it that allowed those very same rampaging insurections to invest the White House and practically hold the capital of our nation hostatge, again without doing hardly a goddamned thing about it?

Who was in the Oval Office when the election was obviously being stolen, and at least DOZENS of states were not following their own election laws and were allowing millions and millions of illegal ballots to be mailed in or stuffed into illegal drop boxes so that Xiden could win in a couple of the tight states that Trump would have won if that had not been allowed to go on?

Who was it who made the ATF ban bump stocks and stoked the gun control fires with his, "take the guns first, then Due Process after"bullshit comments almost immediately in the aftermarth of the worst terrorist mass shooting (Vegas) in our nation's history while our People were trying to understand what the hell happened there? Who was it and stood by while the FIBs, his subordinates, covered that fucking mess up and still do to this day?

Who spent his entire election campaign chanting "lock her up" at every packed rally, promising to go after the Deep State and "Drain the Swamp?" The swamp was not drained even a quarter incn. We got Christopher Ray in 2017, and he's still there throwing eldety grandmothers and fathers in prison for long streches for protestings at abortion clinics and sending swat teems to arrest catholics and other religious people at the crack of dawn with rifles poined and doors kicked in via illegal "no knock" warrants.

Every gain Trump made with some of his good policies were completely wiped out because he couldn't or wouldn't do his job. He is not a principled man, at least where it counts the most: politically. He failed or refused to properly and purposefully use his authority as President to do anything to even dent the onset of one of the worse periods of Tyranny we've seen in our nation, and that is something to think about given some other very dark periods in our nation's history.

I can go on with facts of why he is not that man to to "lead us to victory against an existential threat to our way of life." You're welcome in advance for my brief summary!

But that is NOT the point that I was making in my few brief remarks about my dislike for the man, and it had nothing at all to do with his personality. It was a point of order to show that even though I don't like the man, which all revolves around his execution of his constitutional authority and NOT his personality, I STILL want all of you to be able to vote for him, and I would never advocate that be treated as he has by the facists who are running this shit show, and to puncuate that attempt at full disclosure with my disgust that they tried to kill the man that most on this forum are supporting for President and the millions and millons of others who were already cheated of their chance for his second term in 2020.

Its my way of being honest in my political opions and choices, hoping maybe I can have mine given that I support the Rights of others to have their own as well.

You think its practical that he's the man to take another swing at leading "us to victory against an existential threat to our way of life...", and I think think his track record on that idea is clear and sustained. And yet that wasn't the point of my post at all.

But since you want to turn this thread into the 10,791,367th post about "why we're supporting Trump," I've have given you my abbreviated reasons why I am not.

So you can feel free to lecture me about how we gotta give a proven failure who mishandled his Constitutional authority (at best), or broke it (at worst /cough gun ban /cough) another chance and derail this theard if you feel like, but maybe keep in mind that you are addressing something that was not the focus of my post, and your explanatary commetary on the matter falls on deaf ears striclty on the basis of what are laws are, or are supposed to be, and how the man departed from that.
 
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Zerex said:
Garland that stooge of stooges, IS that stupid................he can now try to hand the case over to a REAL US Atty in Fla.


However the authority to even investigate the case is now in question.
Congress did not authorize such an investigation at all.

All the so called evidence, has to be tested vs the fruit of the tainted tree...............and a new investigation begun........


The Biden documents case was similarly handled and maybe Robert Hur was aware that he was also not properly given that authority........

Thank God, that back in the day McConnell realized just what a piece of shit Garland was, and refused to allow his nomination to SCOTUS, to be voted upon.
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Hur was US Attorney for Maryland.

United States Attorney[edit]​

Hur rejoined the Department of Justice as Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General, a top aide to Rod Rosenstein after Rosenstein became Deputy Attorney General. He was a liaison to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.[9]

On November 1, 2017, Hur was nominated by President Donald Trump to be the next United States Attorney for the District of Maryland.[10] On March 22, 2018, his nomination was reported out of committee by voice vote.[11] He was unanimously confirmed in the US Senate by voice vote later the same day.[12] He was sworn in on April 9, 2018.[13]

On February 3, 2021, Hur announced his resignation, effective February 15.[14] Following his departure from the U.S. Attorney position, Hur became a partner in the Washington, D.C., office of Gibson Dunn, a national law firm.[15]
 
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His authority to investigate the Biden documents case........... is the same as Jack Smiths...............non existent.................a PRIVATE CITIZEN.

Garland is apparently so stupid that he believed that he could write his own law.....LIKE THE FRAME AND RECEIVER RULE...... ARROGANCE, STUPIDITY and the appointment of Special Prosecutors when actual the law on them, expired long ago..........

He reflects the Biden/Obama /CCP view of life.............it is short and you must die.

I support Trump.............................not Biden....the only choices.
 
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Zerex said:
Garland that stooge of stooges, IS that stupid................he can now try to hand the case over to a REAL US Atty in Fla.


However the authority to even investigate the case is now in question.
Congress did not authorize such an investigation at all.

All the so called evidence, has to be tested vs the fruit of the tainted tree...............and a new investigation begun........


The Biden documents case was similarly handled and maybe Robert Hur was aware that he was also not properly given that authority........

Thank God, that back in the day McConnell realized just what a piece of shit Garland was, and refused to allow his nomination to SCOTUS, to be voted upon.
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McConnell should have allowed the vote.

Could have stalled for a little bit, then held a vote that was just said "No" that was too close to the election for *another* replacement to be brought forward.

End result is the same, but it would have gutted the left wing "obstruction" talking point.
 
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John Stark said:
I could care less about Trump's mean tweets or whatever. Personality does not change my views on principle.

Now its interesting how you worded that. You're looking for someone "to victory against an existential threat to our way of life..."

Who was it who initially handed off the covid scam to Pence, not initially taking it seriously and then jumping in once he realized that covid was going to be a political liability?

Was covid bullshit an existential threat to our way of life? Who got in front of the podium to address the nation that we were going to shut down the entire country for a few weeks, and said that "hopefully we can open back up by Easter?" Who then handed the podium and authority to Birx and Fauci for the rest of his term as president? I mean, he could have fired their asses and refused to go along with their advice, correct?

Who was it who put the nation on a wart time footing so we could pump out ventilators? Who was that parked naval mercy ships in NY harbor?

Who was it who authorized Operation Warp Speed so the facist pharma companies could start collecting their tax payer funded billions at our expence?

Who was it who was singing his own praises for Operation Warp Speed and the "millions and millons of peooke" he "saved" with his jabs that he made sure to come to fruition, and then suddenly clammed up about it recently when he saw that it was hurting him politically?

Who was it who "presided" over cabinet officials and the permanent beauacracy that was in a shambles and hamstring for all 4 years of his tenure with very little pushback against their ruthless and unlawful refusal to administer the government according to his Constitutional authority? Who was it who left tons of Clinton, Bush Sr. and JR, and Obama appointees and hires who spent all four years of his term backstabbing him and never getting fired or prosecuted for the unlawful bullshit they were pulling?

Who was it who sat on his ass while Burn Loot Murder and Antifa were burning cities and communites down and murding people in the streets and their businesses, including police precincts; and never once mobilized a federal response via the National Guard and other Fed agencies other than a few federal agents sent here and there to protect a few Fedgov court houses.

Who was it that allowed those very same rampaging insurections to invest the White House and practically hold the capital of our nation hostatge, again without doing hardly a goddamned thing about it?

Who was in the Oval Office when the election was obviously being stolen, and at least DOZENS of states were not following their own election laws and were allowing millions and millions of illegal ballots to be mailed in or stuffed into illegal drop boxes so that Xiden could win in a couple of the tight states that Trump would have won if that had not been allowed to go on?

Who was it who made the ATF ban bump stocks and stoked the gun control fires with his, "take the guns first, then Due Process after"bullshit comments almost immediately in the aftermarth of the worst terrorist mass shooting (Vegas) in our nation's history while our People were trying to understand what the hell happened there? Who was it and stood by while the FIBs, his subordinates, covered that fucking mess up and still do to this day?

Who spent his entire election campaign chanting "lock her up" at every packed rally, promising to go after the Deep State and "Drain the Swamp?" The swamp was not drained even a quarter incn. We got Christopher Ray in 2017, and he's still there throwing eldety grandmothers and fathers in prison for long streches for protestings at abortion clinics and sending swat teems to arrest catholics and other religious people at the crack of dawn with rifles poined and doors kicked in via illegal "no knock" warrants.

Every gain Trump made with some of his good policies were completely wiped out because he couldn't or wouldn't do his job. He is not a principled man, at least where it counts the most: politically. He failed or refused to properly and purposefully use his authority as President to do anything to even dent the onset of one of the worse periods of Tyranny we've seen in our nation, and that is something to think about given some other very dark periods in our nation's history.

I can go on with facts of why he is not that man to to "lead us to victory against an existential threat to our way of life." You're welcome in advance for my brief summary!

But that is NOT the point that I was making in my few brief remarks about my dislike for the man, and it had nothing at all to do with his personality. It was a point of order to show that even though I don't like the man, which all revolves around his execution of his constitutional authority and NOT his personality, I STILL want all of you to be able to vote for him, and I would never advocate that be treated as he has by the facists who are running this shit show, and to puncuate that attempt at full disclosure with my disgust that they tried to kill the man that most on this forum are supporting for President and the millions and millons of others who were already cheated of their chance for his second term in 2020.

Its my way of being honest in my political opions and choices, hoping maybe I can have mine given that I support the Rights of others to have their own as well.

You think its practical that he's the man to take another swing at leading "us to victory against an existential threat to our way of life...", and I think think his track record on that idea is clear and sustained. And yet that wasn't the point of my post at all.

But since you want to turn this thread into the 10,791,367th post about "why we're supporting Trump," I've have given you my abbreviated reasons why I am not.

So you can feel free to lecture me about how we gotta give a proven failure who mishandled his Constitutional authority (at best), or broke it (at worst /cough gun ban /cough) another chance and derail this theard if you feel like, but maybe keep in mind that you are addressing something that was not the focus of my post, and your explanatary commetary on the matter falls on deaf ears striclty on the basis of what are laws are, or are supposed to be, and how the man departed from that.
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So, you think Clinton or Biden would have done better ?

I doubt Churchhill was the best guy in Britian to lead them either, but he was the best they could actually get in office.
 
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