Things are heating up in the Donbass

[spat]

This! You see this shit!!?? You do understand why this wont work right?

Yeah Im getting that from the fact that Ukraine citys are being bombed by missiles , Im getting that from the fact that patriots are not capeable of hitting hyper sonic missiles. You can see those facts on any news station chief,


It means nothing to you because you know nothing of How military's work . They have to ""what if ""everything, they have to wargame , they have to have contingency plans and doctrines , they dont fly by the seat of thier pants and guess, they dont go 100% balls to wall if they dont have to , its far to dangerous , they have to have reserves in case Poland decides to go it alone and move forces into Ukraine , they have reserves set aside for that purpose. thats just standard procedure for any modern military.

Yeah, I think Goperfect was right.


Can you specify what personal feelings ? because I have no idea what your talking about.

Yes, militaries have contingencies and plan out everything.

But that doesn't mean they can make *working* plans for everything. Sometimes the plan is just "we're fucked, but we'll do what we can", like the Pols sending guys on horseback to fight tanks.

But my point was that they have no way to counter something and you're just "they'll make a plan" as if that means they can pull some magic wand out of their ass to make it work.

The Iraqis had the 4th largest military on earth, and they had battle hardened troops and commanders from a decade long war against Iran.

They had detailed plans to defend their conquest in Kuwait. Fuck all good any of that did for them.

It would look like that if NATO decided to kick Russia out of Ukraine.


As for personal feelings, you seem to have some personal investment in the Russians being able to put up a fight against NATO. You have no idea how, but you're sure they can do it.

All you offer are vague "they have plans" or "their attitudes are different" or things like that. But you have no specifics about how any of that could translate into anything but mass casualties for them.

 

[holdover]

But that doesn't mean they can make *working* plans for everything. Sometimes the plan is just "we're fucked, but we'll do what we can",

that would be correct. But certainly the most likely and probable possibilities are going to be addressed. NATO or Poland entering the war would be a primary threat and contingency plans to deal with it have already been drawn up, and those plans require reserve forces . IM sure the Ukrainians have reserve forces posted in and around Kiev in the event of a Russian break through , and this demonstrates the point why you shouldn't go 100% , its to dangerous .

The Iraqis had the 4th largest military on earth, and they had battle hardened troops and commanders from a decade long war against Iran.

They had detailed plans to defend their conquest in Kuwait. Fuck all good any of that did for them.

Apples and oranges, Shitty air defense, and no air force , wide open terrain , and the Iraqis were not exactly a high end military, they had some tough units from the republican guard and a lot of conscripts.

Im not sure how you equate the 2 military's as being equal , the US were useing new weapons systems that were unknown or not understood by Iraqi military. Russia has been dealing with a lot of advanced weapon systems that NATO has sent , and still moving forward .

But my point was that they have no way to counter something and you're just "they'll make a plan" as if that means they can pull some magic wand out of their ass to make it work.

Thats not what I said at all.

 

[spat]

that would be correct. But certainly the most likely and probable possibilities are going to be addressed. NATO or Poland entering the war would be a primary threat and contingency plans to deal with it have already been drawn up, and those plans require reserve forces . IM sure the Ukrainians have reserve forces posted in and around Kiev in the event of a Russian break through , and this demonstrates the point why you shouldn't go 100% , its to dangerous .

Apples and oranges, Shitty air defense, and no air force , wide open terrain , and the Iraqis were not exactly a high end military, they had some tough units from the republican guard and a lot of conscripts.

Im not sure how you equate the 2 military's as being equal , the US were useing new weapons systems that were unknown or not understood by Iraqi military. Russia has been dealing with a lot of advanced weapon systems that NATO has sent , and still moving forward .


Thats not what I said at all.

Baghdad was considered to have the most sophisticated air defense on the planet at the time.

We systematically dismantled that in hours.

Yep, they had lots of conscription, just like Russia.

And you keep talking about "they have plans" as if that *means* anything. Unless you have a suggestion about what is *in* those plans it's just hot air.

"The need to hold something in reserve for contingencies" only makes sense up to a point. If you have troops you will *never* deploy because you "need to keep them in reserve" then you might as well not have them.

Imagine France in early WWII being overrun by the Germans, but keeping a large reserve force in case Spain decided to get involved.

 

[livingston]

Volodymyr Zelensky Demands $40 Billion in Annual Budget Support for Ukraine​

This is madness. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sends a twitter message as if he’s ordering coffee from the guy down the street, telling NATO members not to forget to send him his $40 billion in “budgetary support.”
Budgetary support means we pay for the operational cost of Ukraine government, including govt payrolls, pensions, healthcare services, welfare and social services for the people in Ukraine.
The crazy thing is, unless Trump stops it, our congress will give it to him. And even if Trump tries to stop it, congress will demand the payment as part of their appropriations process.

Volodymyr Zelensky Demands $40 Billion in Annual Budget Support for Ukraine - The Last Refuge

This is madness. Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy sends a twitter message as if he’s ordering coffee from the guy down the street, telling NATO members not to forget to send him his $40 billion in “budgetary support.” [SOURCE] Budgetary support means we pay for the operational cost of...

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[Drinkthekoolaid]

Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

Unless the goal was a forever war.

 

[Mosinitis]

Watching Israel dismantle Irans anti air capabilities is a glaring contrast to the Ukraine Russia war. That doctrine oversight in Russias strategy may go down as a huge blunder to not overwhelmingly obtain air superiority. If Russia had done so, the war would have been over. This probably wouldn't have devolved into a modern trench war hellscape if Russia was able to keep the initiative.

Apples and Oranges. Iranians borders will not move. There is no territorial dispute and shift.

 

[spat]

Apples and Oranges. Iranians borders will not move. There is no territorial dispute and shift.

How does that matter ?

Isreal established air superiority in a week over a country they don't even neighbor.

Russia can't even do that over Ukraine in 3 years.

 

[Mosinitis]

How does that matter ?

Isreal established air superiority in a week over a country they don't even neighbor.

Russia can't even do that over Ukraine in 3 years.

Russia has air superiority and can attack any target they want, but control of the territory can only be seized by a ground war.

Neither Israel nor U.S. control one square foot of Iranian territory. Apples and oranges.

 

[spat]

They have air superiority and can attack any target they want, but control of the territory can only be seized by a ground war.

Neither Israel nor U.S. control one square foot of Iranian territory. Apples and oranges.

You either don't understand the situation in Ukraine, or you don't know what air superiority means.