Gun Shop Sued by NY AG

[FP1201]

NYS Legislation requires gun shops to have cameras that capture the entire transaction process; passed on May 24, 2023.

I have never been to a gunshop, small or large that does not have cameras and locks on the doors.

They are likely looking for evidence of exactly when the guns were loaded and shipped out..likely days before the report was made.

Yes, New York State passed these spiteful Laws as a State requirement, not a Federal one. There are 31questioning points given without guidance to selected Troopers to use when visiting Shops for inspections.
What factual basis are you suggesting that the Dealer loaded and sent out guns illegally?
Have you any evidence or even inside intel?
I won't say it's impossible, only that it's highly improbable.

 

[urjustamemory]

I have been into Bowman's a few times, I can tell everyone here that he has always had cameras in his shop. Heck when the 1st break in accrued they used camera footage of the thieves on the news from his cameras, the thieves also broke into 3 or 4 other FFL's in Jefferson and St.lawrence counties
I am not sure about the 2nd break in but the window they went into, was in clear view of a camera in the ceiling.

 

[Zerex]

IT WAS LIKELY AN INSIDE JOB

He will end up doing time; think that ATF and BCI are not on him, like a cheap suit?

 

[JunkBoxFull]

dont care

 

[Brawny71]

I have been into Bowman's a few times, I can tell everyone here that he has always had cameras in his shop. Heck when the 1st break in accrued they used camera footage of the thieves on the news from his cameras, the thieves also broke into 3 or 4 other FFL's in Jefferson and St.lawrence counties
I am not sure about the 2nd break in but the window they went into, was in clear view of a camera in the ceiling.

Before he was required to have them.

The smash and grab that ended up closing a second shop in Jefferson, the crew had been caught and released two times before. The small business folks have requirements, the government does not apparently. The Soldiers caught in this case (both times) most likely had ties to city gangs and saw no reason NOT to try. Afterall, there is no enforcement, why not roll the dice. But someone trying to keep up and keep a business? Damn the torpedos .

 

[FP1201]

Before he was required to have them.

The smash and grab that ended up closing a second shop in Jefferson, the crew had been caught and released two times before. The small business folks have requirements, the government does not apparently. The Soldiers caught in this case (both times) most likely had ties to city gangs and saw no reason NOT to try. After all, there is no enforcement, why not roll the dice. But someone trying to keep up and keep a business? Damn the torpedoes .

The ones that did the smash & grab at Denver's were juveniles from the darker part of Syracuse, in a stolen car...one of which is accused of murder with a stolen gun...NYS will do exactly jack shit to them.

 

[Brawny71]

The ones that did the smash & grab at Denver's were juveniles from the darker part of Syracuse, in a stolen car...one of which is accused of murder with a stolen gun...NYS will do exactly jack shit to them.

…..and did previously. They had done it before

 

[FP1201]

…..and did previously. They had done it before

YEP!

 

[Bigfoot]

The ones that did the smash & grab at Denver's were juveniles from the darker part of Syracuse, in a stolen car...one of which is accused of murder with a stolen gun...NYS will do exactly jack shit to them.

Criminals are the NYS Democrats people.
They're NY AG Jumbo James's people.

 

[Acer-m14]

so much for locked doors and bar covered windows ..

WATCH: Car drives into gun store

Police tell 11 News the same suspects drove a car into two different stores, though they were only successful at breaking into one.

www.kktv.com

 

[Zerex]

The gunshop is located in NYS, not Florida...................he purposely violated the State camera rule, to cover his tracks.

Cash talks, BS walks in the gun business. Premium prices were likely obtained.

 

[Defilade]

Mortgage Fraud must be a thing of the past, right Tish?

 

[Bigfoot]

Mortgage Fraud must be a thing of the past, right Tish?

Yeah, so far that is turning out to be a big fat nothing burger.

Jumbo's very own fucking signature is on multiple fraudulent documents.
C'mon, man, I'm not a law scholar, but that has to be low-hanging fruit right there.
Apparently Jumbo is aBoVe tHe LaW.

I have strayed off topic again, my apologies. I was just saying.

 

[Zerex]

There is a pervasive thread thru many gun forums, that the ATF, NICS, NFA, and any FFL laws are unconstitutional............... and that guns might be sold at the corner store.

 

[FP1201]

The gunshop is located in NYS, not Florida...................he purposely violated the State camera rule, to cover his tracks.

Cash talks, BS walks in the gun business. Premium prices were likely obtained.

BULLSHIT!
Zerex: Are you actually IN Law Enforcement?
Are you somehow "inside" on the Case?
Have you interviewed the Accused?
There are and always have been those that walked outside the lines, but don't you dare accuse FFL Dealers of that, especially without actual proof.
I think you've watched too many movie where the Shop is run by Criminals that'll do anything for a Buck, sure as Hell is what the Democrat Legislators thing, gee thanks for supporting their position.

 

[Grimscale]

Guns USED to be sold at the corner store, hardware stores, even the Sears catalog.
Inch by inch our rights have been infringed on.

ATF, NICS, NFA, etc., rules ARE un-Constitutional.

Go after the criminal, not the object.

Anyone who thinks that you can somehow PREVENT crime is an idiot who has watched too many dystopian movies and come away missing the whole fucking point.

 

[Bustedknees]

Counter sue that fat bitch for releasing these felons and giving them plea deals.

 

[Brawny71]

The gunshop is located in NYS, not Florida...................he purposely violated the State camera rule, to cover his tracks.

Cash talks, BS walks in the gun business. Premium prices were likely obtained.

False

 

[Zerex]

You have no camera proof of your defense of the FFL holder, and neither does he..............

For example the responsibility to not drive drunk does not rest on the bar tender or the car...only the driver.

Any Ins claims for the shop owner's misaasing guns, has likely been denied as he already likely got paid............ and did not do his due diligence, to secure the shop and cameras..hell my cheap $300, 6 cam Blink camera system can stay on 24/7.

Guns, are not hostess cupcakes for sale, despite many wishes that it was so.

His arrest may be pending.

 

[Acer-m14]

You have no camera proof of your defense of the FFL holder, and neither does he..............

For example the responsibility to not drive drunk does not rest on the bar tender or the car...only the driver.

Any Ins claims for the shop owner's misaasing guns, has likely been denied as he already likely got paid............ and did not do his due diligence, to secure the shop and cameras..hell my cheap $300, 6 cam Blink camera system can stay on 24/7.

Guns, are not hostess cupcakes for sale, despite many wishes that it was so.

His arrest may be pending.

if your insurance doesn't have in WORDS you need security cameras , then they should pay out if any are stolen ..

but anyhoot .. keep licking the NYS boots ..

 

[Acer-m14]

Back later off to steal a car from the neighbor because he has no cameras and then we all can blame him for what i do with his stolen car .

woooop wooop

 

[Acer-m14]

Go after the criminal, not the object.

WHAT !!!!!! that is just to damn simple , that will never work ..

 

[S&W Fan]

The gunshop is located in NYS, not Florida...................he purposely violated the State camera rule, to cover his tracks.

Cash talks, BS walks in the gun business. Premium prices were likely obtained.

There is a pervasive thread thru many gun forums, that the ATF, NICS, NFA, and any FFL laws are unconstitutional............... and that guns might be sold at the corner store.

You have no camera proof of your defense of the FFL holder, and neither does he..............

For example the responsibility to not drive drunk does not rest on the bar tender or the car...only the driver.

Any Ins claims for the shop owner's misaasing guns, has likely been denied as he already likely got paid............ and did not do his due diligence, to secure the shop and cameras..hell my cheap $300, 6 cam Blink camera system can stay on 24/7.

Guns, are not hostess cupcakes for sale, despite many wishes that it was so.

His arrest may be pending.

That’s some purple tie boot licking shit right there !
I’ve always had my suspicions, thanks for confirming them.

 

[Brawny71]

Criminal enforcement goes a long way. Slows the crime and makes it more unusual.

 

[Zerex]

Oh well,...............I am not LE and never was..........

Cops only enforce the laws..........not pretend that they do not exist.


The laws are constitutional....................the GCA of 1968 restricted guns sales by mail, due to Lee Harvey. I used to buy guns thru the mail in 1965 from Kleins, when I was 18. Mausers were like $20.00

The NFA was written in 1934, due to bad guys abusing the system..Mafia, etc. BLM is the new mafia.

No politician today wants silencers, MG's, SBRs in the hands of ANY criminals, who are ghost gun possessors, and the Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself.


The cities would be filled with gg Glocks and silencers RIGHT NOW, TODAY, if the NFA was changed by Congress...............but you do not give a shit about even 1 gun law............ as long as you get yours.

The 2nd is a restriction, not total freedom..............and originally limited gun possession to whites only.......not to slaves, criminals, women ,Spaniards, Englishmen, Tories, Canadians, etc etc.

Today women can own guns, maybe if they pass the NICS...........criminals with records cannot.............NFA items require NICS too.

DOES THAT PISS YOU OFF TOO?

There are no natural rights. Were extinguished long ago,except to eat and defecate.......and to say............... "Yes officer,"

 

[Acer-m14]

Cops only enforce the laws..........not pretend that they do not exist.

they also have a discretion on what laws to enforce

They also make up laws just to show us how powerfully dumb they are .. just following orders ..

ohhhh


Marbury vs Madison 1803 .. ALL LAWS REPUGNANT TO THE CONSTITUTION ARE INVALID ..

AND SCOTUS STILL FUCKS UP .. they are approaching the not needed category really fast

and for your answer ,...

NOPE IM NOT PISSED OFF ANY MORE .. I'M in the I DONT GIVE A FUCK GROUP NOW .. LET IT BURN ...

 

[FP1201]

Oh well,...............I am not LE and never was..........

Cops only enforce the laws..........not pretend that they do not exist.

There are Cops that pretend Laws exist that do not, but that's really not the issue here.

The laws are constitutional....................the GCA of 1968 restricted guns sales by mail, due to Lee Harvey. I used to buy guns thru the mail in 1965 from Kleins, when I was 18. Mausers were like $20.00

The Constitutionality of many Gun Laws is under constant challenge, just takes time to get them through the Courts.
Kennedy was killed in '63 and it took Democrats five more years to get it passed, and was done so exploiting the pseudo-crisis set up by the arbitrary insistence that Oswald assassinated Kennedy with a cheap, mail-order Rifle that he never would have gotten if there were Laws against it, and for those that don't know, the original 4473 required no checks or permissions, just a Form that could be reviewed, and while there were penalties for falsifications, there wasn't a fraction of the ways to check or investigate them....Yes, Guns were cheaper and easier to get back then, lot less crime too.

The NFA was written in 1934, due to bad guys abusing the system..Mafia, etc. BLM is the new mafia.

Exploitation of the "St. Valentines Day Massacre" and BLM is an engineered subversion with dubious funding and ideology, one that will have to be dealt with the way the Mafia and other criminal enterprises are.

No politician today wants silencers, MG's, SBRs in the hands of ANY criminals, who are ghost gun possessors, and the Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself.

Agreed, no sane person wants certain criminals having Guns, but hardened, violent criminals are not concerned with where or how they get weapons, only that they do. "Ghost Guns" (Home built from Parts or ingenuity) aren't the problem, illegal usage is. AS for the Constitution, the subversion, bastardization, and outright ignoring of it has lead us down the path into the Swamp: either backtrack, build a Bridge, or learn to breath underwater.

The cities would be filled with gg Glocks and silencers RIGHT NOW, TODAY, if the NFA was changed by Congress...............but you do not give a shit about even 1 gun law............ as long as you get yours.

Subjective assertion. Sounds like the naysayers that invariably claim Laws like Constitutional or Licensed Concealed Carry will turn their State into the "Wild West" with shootings in the Streets. (As depicted without historical fact) by Spaghetti Westerns and Television Shows. There are THOUSANDS of Suppressors sold in the Country every year: can you cite one or more Crimes committed with one Lawfully obtained? I have no arrest let alone convictions, why should prior restraint be applied to myself or others who've do no wrong? Think if I get one, I'm going to murder someone thinking no one will hear the shot or notice the dead body? Think I couldn't spin one out on the Lathe, or tape a plastic bottle filled with shredded paper over the barrel to hide a shot? Think that's a good reason make it illegal to own one? If we had no Law breakers we'd have no need for Law Enforcement, but the fact is we do and always have, only NYS treats everyone without a Badge as a criminal.

The 2nd is a restriction, not total freedom..............and originally limited gun possession to whites only.......not to slaves, criminals, women ,Spaniards, Englishmen, Tories, Canadians, etc etc.

The Second Amendment was meant and written as a restraint prohibiting Government from interfering with Americans Rights to own weapons.

Today women can own guns, maybe if they pass the NICS...........criminals with records cannot.............NFA items require NICS too.

"maybe"? If they can pass the same background check as Men, there's no other issue unless I'm totally missing something here.
There are lots of Americans with Criminal Records that can and do lawfully own Guns, and even many that petitioned for reinstatement of those Rights.
Buying a gun before 1968 was no more difficult than buying a Shovel, and historically speaking Trusted "Slaves" often had guns for Hunting and protection of property, it was the Democrats that created Jim Crow Laws and prohibitions on Blacks owning Guns as they feared retribution, rebellion, and resistance from the Blacks they still wanted to subjugate and suppress.

DOES THAT PISS YOU OFF TOO?

Most of the restraints, prohibitions, and limitations on Firearms, particularly in New York DO piss me off, which is why I've invested my time, energy, and funds into changes. My "pissed off" comes from the inference that Dealers are dirty: It may be that Bowman is guilt on all counts, but that hasn't been proved in Court, and it seems odd to me that rather than pursue criminal charges, the State is going after money from a lawsuit. Over the last 35 years I have held/hold a FFL, and closely associated with multiple Licensed Dealers and even those who weren't Licensed and in that time I only encountered ONE that seemingly didn't care who he sold to so long as they had money...suppose you can find that with anything if you're looking for it.

There are no natural rights. Were extinguished long ago,except to eat and defecate.......and to say............... "Yes officer,"by God,

Natural Rights are those given by God and not the State, but since he's been removed from the State it would seem the government has replace him...If we accept abuse without resistance we will be abused.

 

[Zerex]

While I am an old fuck, I still race my Mustangs at Cicero, and SCCA track nite events and I still shoot guns...and I also own a paid for grave plot.

At my age and experience level, humanity requires laws, surveillance systems and good door locks.


Many people are not honest, or only as honest as they can get away with.

Social Clubs of any sort almost always have embezzlers, and having been tasked in the past to do financial investigations with BCI help I have gotten half a dozen embezzlers..........sours me on social clubs for sure.

People will just steal............financial survival includes Jewish lightning, over and over.

He is guilty until proven innocent in this case................he did not secure the shop and purposely shut off the Cameras...............if on a jury, I would have to vote for conviction.

Gun ownership should not extend to those who cannot pass the NICS check............and no ez to buy silencers, SBR's MG's..............the lowest part of society are those who need the guns to be dishonest.

1790 society did on include the human scum we have today, ready to use guns on society.

I sympathize with the cops who have to drive around everyday and wonder if the next traffic stop or domestic complaint or burglary call will be their last..wears on you.

 

[S&W Fan]

While I am an old fuck, I still race my Mustangs at Cicero, and SCCA track nite events and I still shoot guns...and I also own a paid for grave plot.

At my age and experience level, humanity requires laws, surveillance systems and good door locks.


Many people are not honest, or only as honest as they can get away with.

Social Clubs of any sort almost always have embezzlers, and having been tasked in the past to do financial investigations with BCI help I have gotten half a dozen embezzlers..........sours me on social clubs for sure.

People will just steal............financial survival includes Jewish lightning, over and over.

He is guilty until proven innocent in this case................he did not secure the shop and purposely shut off the Cameras...............if on a jury, I would have to vote for conviction.

Gun ownership should not extend to those who cannot pass the NICS check............and no ez to buy silencers, SBR's MG's..............the lowest part of society are those who need the guns to be dishonest.

1790 society did on include the human scum we have today, ready to use guns on society.

I sympathize with the cops who have to drive around everyday and wonder if the next traffic stop or domestic complaint or burglary call will be their last..wears on you.

Yet, more BULLSHIT

 

[Acer-m14]

I sympathize with the cops who have to drive around everyday and wonder if the next traffic stop or domestic complaint or burglary call will be their last..wears on you.

why ?? its their job ..

its like looking at the guy cleaning out your septic tank .. sucks to be you , but I'm not loosing any sleep over the job you took ..


They also could just wait for a accident and deal with that and not the speeders that are not causing anything ..

going 5 , 10 , 20 , 50 over the speed limit is not hurting anyone .. its the sudden stop .. so deal with the sudden stop and not the speed


Stop trying to be Marriage Counselors .. 911 just need to hang up ..


no duty to protect ..


Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005): This Supreme Court case further reinforced the no duty to protect doctrine.

A woman sued the police for failing to enforce a restraining order against her estranged husband, who subsequently murdered their three children. The Court ruled that the police had no constitutional duty to enforce the restraining order and thus were not liable for their failure to act.


Warren v. District of Columbia (1981): The D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty" to maintain order but not a specific legal duty to protect individuals absent a special relationship. ( in their custody )